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One more issue that I would like your comments on:

A member here purchased 50 IDNs from me in January and ever since January I have been attempting to push them to their Dynadot account. At Dynadot the receiver must accept the account push but this person has neglected to do so. The transaction has canceled itself 5 times and I have had to re-initiate it. I contacted this member yesterday and said that they need to accept the account change because its been 6 months now, if they do not accept the change I will simply keep the domains. Do you find this acceptable?

So you have received payment right ?

I would ultimately not do anything with them should they not receive them. Just keep them aside and if they expire there is nothing you can do.

In the mean time try every possible avenue within reason to contact them, phone, email, PM and snail mail. I once sold an $8k name and the guy didnt request transfer for 3 weeks. Never replied to emails or calls. Out of the blue he did. Some people get busy, forget, personal issues etc I suppose. I cant imagine doing so but it happens.
 

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One more issue that I would like your comments on:

A member here purchased 50 IDNs from me in January and ever since January I have been attempting to push them to their Dynadot account. At Dynadot the receiver must accept the account push but this person has neglected to do so. The transaction has canceled itself 5 times and I have had to re-initiate it. I contacted this member yesterday and said that they need to accept the account change because its been 6 months now, if they do not accept the change I will simply keep the domains. Do you find this acceptable?
Big issue, one that may get into the legal arena.

I had numerous, way too many actually, sales on TDNAM where in spite of my and TDNAM's best effort to contact the buyer EVEN AFTER THE DOMAIN HAD BEEN PAID FOR there was no response. Months at a time would go by.

What we developed was a holding account at TDNAM/GoDaddy to place any domains that were more than 30 days from payment. It was not my nor was it TDNAM's responsibility to renew these domains.

I have had some buyers contact me more than a year after payment made and at time 6-8 months after the name expired wanting to know where their domain name is. They insist they want a full refund (on one occassion TDNAM actually did issue a refund by debiting my PayPal account without my authorization...that's a whole "nutter" issue) or they threaten legal action.

I tell the former buyer to bring it on, good luck in getting the domain from whomever owns it, and to me it is no different than if the buyer had actually taken possession of the domain and failed to renew. Expired is expired is expired.

I wish I could demand my money back for every domain that I did not want, drop, or let expire. That would be a goldmine within itself.

Justin, perhaps a consult with the DNF attorney dudes may be in order here. It is a little different than in my case where we created a holding account. With nearly 600 sales on TDNAM something had to be done. Non paying bidders were rampant on that sales format also. But for the life of me, why someone does nothing to secure a domain name paid for is beyond me.

Back to your original topic, I don't think it is a farfetched idea to have a "name and shame" thread. Many times through a third party we do not know who we are dealing with. But how many direct contacts do we get through the WHOIS? It is equally important for those domains that we buy and are not turned over.

It would serve to alert other members to those that do not pay. But in a more serious note, alert us to those seller out there, members or not, that take the money and run. Most of the seasoned members know not to deal with paypal or western union and to use an escrow service. But there are a great number of newer members who perhaps are not aware of the pitfalls associated with not choosing a secure service or having a back up plan.

Just some thoughts and perhaps some insight.
 

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One more issue that I would like your comments on:

A member here purchased 50 IDNs from me in January and ever since January I have been attempting to push them to their Dynadot account. At Dynadot the receiver must accept the account push but this person has neglected to do so. The transaction has canceled itself 5 times and I have had to re-initiate it. I contacted this member yesterday and said that they need to accept the account change because its been 6 months now, if they do not accept the change I will simply keep the domains. Do you find this acceptable?

Sounds fishy to me. Are you sure the funds aren't from a stolen credit card? Or perhaps even worse, maybe the member was injured or passed away?
 

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So you have received payment right ?

I would ultimately not do anything with them should they not receive them. Just keep them aside and if they expire there is nothing you can do.

In the mean time try every possible avenue within reason to contact them, phone, email, PM and snail mail. I once sold an $8k name and the guy didnt request transfer for 3 weeks. Never replied to emails or calls. Out of the blue he did. Some people get busy, forget, personal issues etc I suppose. I cant imagine doing so but it happens.

Yes, i have PM'd/emailed the member multiple times telling them to accept the push. This will be the sixth time I have attempted to push the IDNs. And yes, received payment in late December.
 

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Yes, i have PM'd/emailed the member multiple times telling them to accept the push. This will be the sixth time I have attempted to push the IDNs. And yes, received payment in late December.

Any contact info like phone number available ? Is it a member here ?

Also lets say all reasonable avenues are exhausted, names about to expire. You could renew them and if the buyer shows up thereafter insist he pay the renewal fee before transfering. Only fair.
 

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Any contact info like phone number available ? Is it a member here ?

Also lets say all reasonable avenues are exhausted, names about to expire. You could renew them and if the buyer shows up thereafter insist he pay the renewal fee before transfering. Only fair.

The person is an active member and has been online yesterday. I don't feel its my responsibility to telephone this member. They know the consequences of not accepting the account push. The member also lives in China, so I am not going to rack up my phone bill over someone's ignorance.
 

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The person is an active member and has been online yesterday. I don't feel its my responsibility to telephone this member. They know the consequences of not accepting the account push. The member also lives in China, so I am not going to rack up my phone bill over someone's ignorance.


Well this is easier to solve then I thought. I agree do not phone over seas in this case. Just reply in a thread he has or start a new " ATTENTION : XXXXXX " thread in a forum he frequents. I think you need to try one of these two avenues to have said you completely tried. jmo. It is absolutely obsurd you would have to but its all part of business :) A little story to tell . :)
 

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same thing here justin, with a seller- left him a neg rating because members should know what they are dealing with- but giant erased everything without asking about anything- so, now when you go to buy from him, you will have no idea what i liar he is and how he just backs out of stuff -
 

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Sorry for the delay in response. Just refund my money and keep the domain names.

Thanks.


Another human with a sense of humor! I love it! :lol:
 

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One of the reasons why this forum will never be a credible business forum is because of the amateur, unprofessional members

"We need to start showing investors that domain names are equal to, if not better than stocks, bonds, currency, and any other commodity."

Why do you stay on this amateur and unprofessional forum, and why don't you sell your .info domains on Wall Street? :eek:

No need to answer, we all know. :yes:
 

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wow, now that's what I call a great point.
 
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