Dot INFO - Fall from Grace

[seeker]

yes, I saw your link on that sale, which is a commendable one.
However, it is the exception and not the rule, and as the previous poster from France told you in his post, IDNs are very rarely used in Europe, and serious companies would not use them.
Like I said there are a few exceptions.
I have no problems with IDN (apart from not liking them). However, perhaps in the future, you could be right and I could be wrong (or not).
But the crusade against an established gTLD that many people here have told you that they have made a lot of money from, simply is a different subject than IDNs.
The only comparison I see, is the common passion you share (in opposite directions) pro IDN and con .info
No matter how many freebies and registrar infos drop (that many people dont even know they owned) the extension is widely used in Europe and the rest of the world, is established, and makes people money, as well as sense to use.
It isnt about IF .info will make it, because that is a fact (it has made it). it is how fast it will continue to climb, and I agree that its rate of ascent was slightly decreased by afilias's idiotic move of giving them for free, and many registrar's mass registering them. But that is short term and IMHO will not in the least effect the gTLD's value, as even during this time, I have continued to sell .info's for good 4 figures regularly.

 

[Rubber Duck]

For the record, I hate those who hype dot IN domains even more especially dot
URLtrader who has just post over 80 of his domains on a News thread!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[seeker]

look, .in and .cn are ok for long term investments.
I prefer .in over .cn because of the English language usage in India, as well as its non censoring the internet as China does.
There was a fresh article on this yesterday on CNN online (censored among other things is the subject of China's many *ethnicities* and calling for their independence).
And there have been some pretty good .in sales.
That said, I think .in and .cn (more .cn) are long term investments that unless you have an excpetional keyword, are not worth regging (at least for me).

 

[Rubber Duck]

look, .in and .cn are ok for long term investments.
I prefer .in over .cn because of the English language usage in India, as well as its non censoring the internet as China does.
There was a fresh article on this yesterday on CNN online (censored among other things is the subject of China's many *ethnicities* and calling for their independence).
And there have been some pretty good .in sales.
That said, I think .in and .cn (more .cn) are long term investments that unless you have an excpetional keyword, are not worth regging (at least for me).

Well dot IN will obviously be highly successful, as it is ccTLD of a country of 1 Billion people.

The presumption that most will access the internet in English is totally false. Dot IN will not properly take off until it is IDN enabled and its IDN sales will dwarf those in English. Of course not all these IDN will be Hindi, which is only the largest of a large group of languages of which Google is supporting 5 currently, but this will grow to at least 10 in the short-term.

Censoring is obviously an issue, but to a Domainer the prime interest is the level of Consumer consumption of Branded goods, as this is from where PPC income and domain value ultimately derive. Plese refer to my thread of yesterday "China to buy more Brands than US!"

Yes, there are ethnicties in China, but not to the same degree as India. There are far more armed grouped fighting guerilla warfare in India than in China.

I agree that if you have exceptional keywords with international significance, then both .CN and .IN will be good long-term investments. I wonder if this is what is really being pushed by those hyping the extension?

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[gpmgroup]

I refer you to:

http://dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm

Défiscalisation.com
(French for "tax reduction") £10,000 = $17,669 Sedo

Top reported dot info this week:

Cryptography.info $3,100 SnapNames

I think this probably has as much to do with the subject matter to the left of the extension

All we lack is the traffic.

Telling

This is the biggest thing going down this year and this forum wants to discuss is MillionDollarHomePage.com. How pathetic is that?

Perhaps you have become so focused on your IDNs it has made you so dismissive of anybody trying to do something different with domains all you can do is criticize and deride.

I have nothing against the concept of INFO as an extension.

What I do detest is hype. Dot Info domains have been hyped to death on here. Dot Info fans even expect us to accept rumors of unconfirmed sales as comparison with established sales in other extensions. To that I would say either put up or shut up!

We have never sold a .info, we have no "For Sale pages" we did not buy the names to sell we bought to develop, yet we still receive a steady stream of enquiries from both resellers and would be end users.

DN Journal seems to list quite a few .info sales and I have no reason to doubt Dukes word and I'm surprised you do! What advantage would he have to hype just .info's?

http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/domainsales/2005-2Q-expanded-newtld.htm

There were daily reports on how the extension was catching up dot org and then overtaking it. No, protests then. The fact that dot Info is going through the biggest registry contraction in history is a matter of general interest and a suitable subject for debate. The fact that this thread has
been visited 1700 times says as much.

I don't understand your obsession with registration numbers, there were over 1 million .com's registered in one day this week and I don't think it was 1,000,000 Chinese or Japanese people rushing out to buy local IDN's It will undoubtedly mean more PPC pages, and people complaining they can not get a decent .com domain.

I should for example like to know why the contraction appears to be faster than the expansion, which one would have thought impossible, in view of the fact that domains are normally registered for yearly intervals?

You are clearly haven't taken the time to read the replies to your comments otherwise you would realize that this is not the case. As I explained previously Sipence alone auto registered 1,000,000 names in 3 days.

Even if 10% of those names renew that’s $800,000 of sales! Not bad for a sales promotion. Also all those names dropping focus the minds of the drop catchers and I don’t doubt quite a few more will be registered by someone new.

 

[seeker]

Yes, there are ethnicties in China, but not to the same degree as India. There are far more armed grouped fighting guerilla warfare in India than in China.


Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

yes, not to the same degree as in India I agree.
China has about 50 to 100 times more ethinc groups.
Were it nor for India being the largest Democracy, and China being a Dictatorship, there not only would be fighting in China, but there would not be a single china, but maybe about 20-40 different countries...

 

[Rubber Duck]

Perhaps you have become so focused on your IDNs it has made you so dismissive of anybody trying to do something different with domains all you can do is criticize and deride.

DN Journal seems to list quite a few .info sales and I have no reason to doubt Dukes word and I'm surprised you do! What advantage would he have to hype just .info's?

I don't understand your obsession with registration numbers, there were over 1 million .com's registered in one day this week and I don't think it was 1,000,000 Chinese or Japanese people rushing out to buy local IDN's.

I think that the debate has become highly polarised, but the critisism and derision is more commonly aimed at any one who even mentions IDN on this Forum.

Don't doubt Dukes word, thats where I was quoting from. Don't need to check back archives for dot com sales though!

The daily figures by dot com and the much derided dot net are now being greatly influenced by Traffic Mining Registrars. But the assumption that dot com is America's ccTLD is also incorrect. Japanese and Chinese use many more dot coms than their own ccTLDs. There online presence is growing as a much faster rate than the US. Yes, there is substantial interest and increasing registristrations for IDN in these countries. To what extent that is affecting the growth of the dot coms and dot net registries is difficult to say, but I think you would be surprised. Almost certainly more than the 2-3k registrations a day being achieved by dot Info.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

yes, not to the same degree as in India I agree.
China has about 50 to 100 times more ethinc groups.
Were it nor for India being the largest Democracy, and China being a Dictatorship, there not only would be fighting in China, but there would not be a single china, but maybe about 20-40 different countries...

Nonsense!

You are clearly haven't taken the time to read the replies to your comments otherwise you would realize that this is not the case. As I explained previously Sipence alone auto registered 1,000,000 names in 3 days.

Even if 10% of those names renew that’s $800,000 of sales! Not bad for a sales promotion. Also all those names dropping focus the minds of the drop catchers and I don’t doubt quite a few more will be registered by someone new.

Well with another 168K drops today, we seem to have gone through the 1M mark already and we won't even be into the unsolicited registrations yet.

We should run a sweep stake on the bottoming out figure for dot info. Anyone care to guess where it is going to stop?

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon