closed fiosondemand.com ...How accurate are domainindex appraisals?

[Franka]

fiosondemand.com information
domain fiosondemand.com BIG
appraised value 6,490 USD change currency
domain birthday 25-Jul-2008

 

[amplify]

FiosOndemand != $6490

It's a trademark domain name of Verizon.

 

[Franka]

With all due respect ,the question was about appraisal...If I had a TM issue I would have post it in the TM forum.
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fiosondemand.com ...How accurate are domainindex appraisals?

fiosondemand.com information
domain fiosondemand.com BIG
appraised value 6,490 USD change currency
domain birthday 25-Jul-2008

 

[Franka]

I am not able to post this on TM forum.

fios on demand ,trade mark query.

"
Sorry, no results found for 'fios on demand'. Try entering fewer or broader query terms "

 

[Gerry]

This is a funny thread already.

 

[amplify]

OMG

Fios was Verizon's latest and greatest fiber optic service. Trademark already.

Now you're using Fios with the Fios OnDemand. It's like double trademarked.

You might as well register MicrosoftOffice2016.com because they're essentially the same.

As far as automated appraisals, they're crap, don't rely on them. Get a better idea on this forum.

And I did give you an appraisals. It's worth nothing to anyone but TM domainers, cause Verizon will just take it if they want.

 

[Franka]

Sorry guys but I find this forum very immature ,I might have posted wrong things in the wrong forums etc , but these "replies"
I find very childish and irrelevant.
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Gerry "This is a funny thread already. "

David "OMG,
Now you're using Fios with the Fios OnDemand. It's like double trademarked.
You might as well register MicrosoftOffice2016.com because they're essentially the same.
As far as automated appraisals, they're crap, don't rely on them. ""Get a better idea on this forum"". Where David??

 

[amplify]

What did you expect posting a TM domain and asking if automated appraisals are correct?

Now, if you posted a different domain with the same search volume, you may get the same appraisal. With that said though, it's been mentioned multiple times on this forum that they're not an accurate judgement of valuation, more as for entertainment purposes only to dream about large numbers.

All you posted was that you're a TM squatter and if that offends you, learn more about the industry.

 

[Franka]

Mate ,you being unfair ...I have this domain for 5 years ... parked at sedo.com
NOBODY EVER EVER mentioned a TM problem,only you ...you the first one.
After your reply yesterday I check with us tm and NO mention of fios..
Accept my reply or not ..
Trademark squatter , just learned a new word ...never ever crossed my mind ..cya

 

[Stian]

Mate ,you being unfair ...I have this domain for 5 years ... parked at sedo.com
NOBODY EVER EVER mentioned a TM problem,only you ...you the first one.
After your reply yesterday I check with us tm and NO mention of fios..
Accept my reply or not ..
Trademark squatter , just learned a new word ...never ever crossed my mind ..cya

You need to learn how to search for trademarks then.

I found 5 live TMs for "FIOS" on uspto.gov;

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfiel...h&a_search=Submit+Query&a_search=Submit+Query

 

[Franka]

Thats why you are Admin ...last reply

 

[Stian]

Thats why you are Admin ...last reply

Yes, I own www.uspto.gov ..

 

[amplify]

...tick, tock... waiting for your first C&D in 5 years. That'll teach you, since didn't learn anything on here in 8 years.

This should also be a closed thread IMO.

 

[Gerry]

Yes, I own www.uspto.gov ..

Thanks for adding to my very immature sense of humor.

 

[grcorp]

fiosondemand.com information
domain fiosondemand.com BIG
appraised value 6,490 USD change currency
domain birthday 25-Jul-2008

I am not in any position to advise you as to whether or not this was a good idea to invest in. Therefore, I will not make any comment to that effect.

I will, however, answer your question as to "how much it's worth".

Automated domain valuation tools are never accurate as they do not thoroughly analyze all factors of valuation the same way that a human can.

If it earns revenue, it could worth a few years worth of revenue under a normal circumstance. I.e. if it earns $1,000 per year, you may be able to justify a $5,000 asking price as a five-year multiplier.

However, almost any buyer will surely recognize the potential trademark issue here, and therefore it will not be worth anywhere near a five year multiplier. Probably about eight months if you are lucky.

The potential legal fees and settlement orders that may come about if brought before a court or arbitration panel, however, drastically burden the value of this name, regardless of what its revenue may be.

Resultingly, my valuation is "not much".

 

[katherine]

Verizon defend their brands fiercely and it's only a matter of time until they address your case because they are quite busy.
This domain has a negative value because it's a legal liability.

There are plenty of WIPOs involving Verizon as the complainant (always on the winning side).
Example: http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/text.jsp?case=D2011-1832

I hope you are getting it now.

 

[Varlin]

Well... Still wondering how can anyone ask for an appraisal and then try to invalidate others' opinions. I almost puked.

My appraisal...

MINUS REG FEE
plus
MINUS LEGAL FEES
plus
MINUS hourly wage multiplied by the time spent in regging it and what will be spent in litigation, CD letter reading and domain transfer, among other activities.
plus (
THE BAD KARMA of being a domain squatter, a childish troll, and and extremely ungrateful fellow domainer
minus
THE laughs we had thanks to Stian and others
)

Well... Made me think about a couple celebrity names dotcoms I have/had...

 

[Gerry]

Well... Still wondering how can anyone ask for an appraisal and then try to invalidate others' opinions. I almost puked.

:first:

Obviously wanted just dollar figures and no opinions or dialogue.

 

[angel69]

I'm simply amazed you were able to get away with Verizon's intellectual property for 5 years. I'm with the domainers (in general) and not w/the corps but this one is a no-brainer, if there ever was one. The whole term may not be trademarked but Verizon FiOS is known the world over (what's next, you also own XfinityOnDemand.com lol ? ...) By simply owning this thing you're already in hot water. Big time. Verizon won't mess with you, if they contact you it may be for both ceasing to use the domain and they're also free to pursue you legally. This falls under the "blatant violation of TMs" we often hear about

Sedo DOES allow some TMd domains to be parked w/them, and it may not be spotted by their systems or staff if you listed it for sale there either. But sooner or later someone will get a notice from Verizon they won't like. Sedo sold me a TMd LLL acronym a few years ago, I even started a thread about it on DNF. I apparently dropped the ball back then and forgot to do a TM search. And in my case too, no one has ever contacted me all this time, but now I have a buyer and after agreeing on a price I found out by accident it's TMd, although acronyms fall in a different area since millions of people may have those initials, hundreds of companies, etc. But in your case both FiOS and OnDemand are in the domain, you're twice as much in trouble, OnDemand has scores or live TMs, and in your case you've made it clear to anyone that it's in relation to cable TV

And just which member or comment is childish or immature ? The others are right. And other than cancelling (deleting) the domain at once at your registrar I don't know what other legal choices you'd have if you to decided you cannot use it due to its TM infringement, which you should. In my case or your case we can't blame our sellers, and even if you bought it on an auction site like I did that's not total vindication. I'm actually considering selling mine on Sedo with a BIN so it sells quicker. That way at least I'd be selling it thru the same people I bought it, the fact mine is an LLL acronym makes it more a grey area, but not yours. As to your question, the valuation is negative, as in RED, ie by owning it you actually have a liability, its valuation is $0 MINUS the cost you'd incur defending yourself. I know you don't like the responses but did you consider some people on DNF may actually know what they're talking about ? Think about it. My 2 cents of childish and immature advice
:smash:

Sorry guys but I find this forum very immature , I might have posted wrong things in the wrong forums etc , but these "replies" I find very childish and irrelevant.

 

[amplify]

We were all immature and on behalf of everyone trying to teach you, we're sorry.

Great detailed post that covers everything mentioned without a hint of sarcasm though angel69. I just couldn't help myself seeing this domain being valuated and then him coming back and saying it's not about the domain name, but automated valuation tools.