Frank disses .mobi at Domainfest

[Flying Dutchman]

What is 'revenues'. I have one I registered for 5 euro and I got a 400 euro
offer, wich I refused.

I am going to develop it so the first year my loss is 5 euro for this one.

Now, doing good bookkeeping I have to value it for 400 euro in the books.

So, you tell me what my revenue is?

Its an investment, what is the revenue of qrtx.com ?? (not mine)

Ron

 

[FuseFX]

What is 'revenues'. I have one I registered for 5 euro and I got a 400 euro
offer, wich I refused.

I am going to develop it so the first year my loss is 5 euro for this one.

Now, doing good bookkeeping I have to value it for 400 euro in the books.

So, you tell me what my revenue is?

Its an investment, what is the revenue of qrtx.com ?? (not mine)

Ron

Nah! I should have been more specific. I meant advertising revenues and the revenues you are making from type-in traffic.

Anything which doesn't get into your PayPal or Bank Account isn't revenue. Only Enron considered potential revenue as revenue... and we don't want to repeat that.

 

[Flying Dutchman]

Okay, the one i am developping needs no type in traffic, just advertisers.

But if we leave dot mobi out. In general this forum is about earning money
with domains. So, wether you do that by parking, or you develop a small
site for adsense, or you earn money through buying and selling or on a
other way, what the heck?

But indeed, maybe PPC is not the way for a mobi-site.

Btw where is your new newsletter

Ron

 

[Gerry]

but would any of you pro.mobi fellas care to share your revenues on your .mobis?

Fearless already has. He is pro .mobi.

He's pumping the hell out of it and getting nowhere.

Look at him...he's the one who started this thread!

 

[furca]

.mobi aims to be for mobile devices, yet it takes longer to type in then .com!

 

[DropWizard.com]

Which one, the one that bilked church goers out of millions or the one that visited the male escort for meth and "deep tissue" massage?

Ahh think you missed the . on the .tv That's (dot) tv "the extension" and the .TV evangelists.

Anybody around a few years ago will remember just how annoying some of them were but there was a real &****^ wouldn't shut up type.

But then every extension seems to have it's cheerleaders when it first shows up. Why should .mobi be any different.

 

[jasdon11]

Nah! I should have been more specific. I meant advertising revenues and the revenues you are making from type-in traffic.

Anything which doesn't get into your PayPal or Bank Account isn't revenue. Only Enron considered potential revenue as revenue... and we don't want to repeat that.

So what you want to know is, names, niches, traffic figures, traffic sources, how they are monetized......want me to throw in my cc details too? :lol:

 

[iDName]

I see tons of .TV URL ads on TV here in the UK!!! There are even .TV channels on Sky Digital!!! E.g. RockWorld.TV, www.Bid.TV, etc....

So what's your point?

In a way those people with the vision of .TV were right and this is just the beginning...

FYI, I own just 3 .TV's:blush:

I'm guessing .TV isn't doing so well in the good ol USA?

FYI, the USA wouldn't allow UK documentaries showing clips of animals having s** on TV for another 30 YEARS!!!:lol: It will probably take a while for them to accept anything other than .com, .net and .org:cheesy:

 

[FuseFX]

Okay, the one i am developping needs no type in traffic, just advertisers.

AdSense for Mobile?

Btw where is your new newsletter

Ron

Good Question. You should get atleast one issue today or tomorrow.

So what you want to know is, names, niches, traffic figures, traffic sources, how they are monetized......want me to throw in my cc details too? :lol:

All I want to know is that all this hype is backed by real numbers.

 

[Gerry]

AdSense for Mobile?

huge!

All I want to know is that all this hype is backed by real numbers.

There are a tremendous amount of Indian sites for .mobi

hindustan.mobi and 2020cricket.mobi are two that come to mind.

There are some fantastic designers and developers that I have come in contact with from India. When I do get their names and email I will pass it on to you. It would be perhaps more beneficial for you to contact them or the two sites above to determine how well they are doing.

I read in amazement all this "well no one here is using it" when the reality is no one is really looking for it.

Parking will not be paramount to these sites for their success. Actual development will be the key. With that said, I have several that are getting great natural type in traffic while parked but none making earth shattering noise in the paypal accounts.

There are a couple of people on this forum that are being very quite. And smiling at all of this.

One of them recently related to me astounding numbers for the month of December. One of the biggest factors is not only is he the developer and owner of the site, Apple now features it on their web site as an iPhone widget and CNET recently featured it. All at THEIR choosing, not the developer's.

Last month, December, he related (and showed me) that nearly half the traffic came from the iPhone.

So exactly what did the iPhone do? It put millions of mobile connectivity devices into the hands of those that perhaps had not surfed the web on a mobile device previously. So much for the iPhone being the final nail into the coffin of .mobi.

Apple has now provided perhaps hundreds of widgets to its subscribers, many as a .mobi. But here is the important part. Apple DID not develop or design them. Individuals did.

And why are widgets so popular? Because they are essentially full featured mini sites that are easy to navigate, scroll and use. They are perhaps more popular than any full PC like site out there.

Point is, it is heading towards small screens. It does not really matter if it is called a .com, .net, or .mobi. It is going into your hand.

But nothing conveys a mobile site better than .mobi. You can put an m., wap., mobile., or anything else in front, behind or anywhere. That is such a farce trying to keep up with all the designer and "i'm so clever" names for a site or domain extension. And then expect everyone to remember the damn URL along with the prefix and suffix. I mean, that makes a hell of a lot of sense when all there is needed to remember is .mobi is mobile.

Gotta run. Got some bugs that need squashing on my sites.

But contact those developers and designers in your own country. Ask them what traffic, revenue, viewership the get. Perhaps not much now, but who knows...maybe someone will approach them and PAY to advertise on their site if they have such broad reach and appeal. It is all about entreprenueralship and creating a market where none existed.

I know I would love to own 2020cricket anything.

 

[Provider]

I wanna be in the cult too

 

[FuseFX]

I wanna be in the cult too

First you have to pay $15,000 in audition fees. =D

 

[maroulis]

huge!
There are a tremendous amount of Indian sites for .mobi

hindustan.mobi and 2020cricket.mobi are two that come to mind.

There are some fantastic designers and developers that I have come in contact with from India. When I do get their names and email I will pass it on to you. It would be perhaps more beneficial for you to contact them or the two sites above to determine how well they are doing.

I read in amazement all this "well no one here is using it" when the reality is no one is really looking for it.

Parking will not be paramount to these sites for their success. Actual development will be the key. With that said, I have several that are getting great natural type in traffic while parked but none making earth shattering noise in the paypal accounts.

There are a couple of people on this forum that are being very quite. And smiling at all of this.

One of them recently related to me astounding numbers for the month of December. One of the biggest factors is not only is he the developer and owner of the site, Apple now features it on their web site as an iPhone widget and CNET recently featured it. All at THEIR choosing, not the developer's.

Last month, December, he related (and showed me) that nearly half the traffic came from the iPhone.

So exactly what did the iPhone do? It put millions of mobile connectivity devices into the hands of those that perhaps had not surfed the web on a mobile device previously. So much for the iPhone being the final nail into the coffin of .mobi.

Apple has now provided perhaps hundreds of widgets to its subscribers, many as a .mobi. But here is the important part. Apple DID not develop or design them. Individuals did.

And why are widgets so popular? Because they are essentially full featured mini sites that are easy to navigate, scroll and use. They are perhaps more popular than any full PC like site out there.

Point is, it is heading towards small screens. It does not really matter if it is called a .com, .net, or .mobi. It is going into your hand.

But nothing conveys a mobile site better than .mobi. You can put an m., wap., mobile., or anything else in front, behind or anywhere. That is such a farce trying to keep up with all the designer and "i'm so clever" names for a site or domain extension. And then expect everyone to remember the damn URL along with the prefix and suffix. I mean, that makes a hell of a lot of sense when all there is needed to remember is .mobi is mobile.

Gotta run. Got some bugs that need squashing on my sites.

But contact those developers and designers in your own country. Ask them what traffic, revenue, viewership the get. Perhaps not much now, but who knows...maybe someone will approach them and PAY to advertise on their site if they have such broad reach and appeal. It is all about entreprenueralship and creating a market where none existed.

I know I would love to own 2020cricket anything.

Gerry you're losing me again... resist the urge of using the BS expander

Your Main Point should be:

Guys I disagree, in fact I've talked to developers of very successful .mobi sites, some of which are showcased on Apple.com and recently reviewed on CNet. Thus, I firmly believe that .mobi is far from dead, in fact I feel there can be revenue coming down the line...

...end of story

 

[jasdon11]

All I want to know is that all this hype is backed by real numbers.

Ok, well I put up about a dozen sites using a third party template system - took approx 10 minutes each site. Previously they collectively got 400 uniques per month parked at namedrive, this month they are into 4 figures (just) so far.

Nothing earth shattering, but even parked they got more traffic per name than all but my .coms. And from just 12, unremarkable .mobi names, there are over 1,000 people being exposed to the extension this month - from little acorns.....

 

[sashas]

I've never developed any website, but when I do, I would make sure I don't do it on anything other than a .com.

Why?

Because I don't want the .com owner to get free type-ins from all MY hardwork. Simple logic. Why should anyone benefit from the hardwork you put in to your website? The .com owner can just sit and watch his PPC fly, while you sweat it out to get your website up the rankings.

Thats my main problem with ANY extension when it comes to developing...I'm selfish.
No matter what you do, how popular .mobi becomes, 20% of your traffic will still go to the .com.

And that sucks.


Resale is a different ballgame altogether.

 

[jasdon11]

I've never developed any website, but when I do, I would make sure I don't do it on anything other than a .com.

Why?

Because I don't want the .com owner to get free type-ins from all MY hardwork. Simple logic. Why should anyone benefit from the hardwork you put in to your website? The .com owner can just sit and watch his PPC fly, while you sweat it out to get your website up the rankings.

Thats my main problem with ANY extension when it comes to developing...I'm selfish.
No matter what you do, how popular .mobi becomes, 20% of your traffic will still go to the .com.

And that sucks.


Resale is a different ballgame altogether.

All the .mobis I'm talking about - the .com has already been taken and either developed or parked, and won't display properly on most mobiles, where the vast majority of people are viewing from - nothing worse than scrolling around looking for the money shot!:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Gerry]

Gerry you're losing me again... resist the urge of using the BS expander

Your Main Point should be:

Guys I disagree, in fact I've talked to developers of very successful .mobi sites, some of which are showcased on Apple.com and recently reviewed on CNet. Thus, I firmly believe that .mobi is far from dead, in fact I feel there can be revenue coming down the line...

...end of story

Wow, you are finally getting it.

Muddle through all the BS and find the main points.

COOL!

I guess in a sense, I am old school from a career in advertising and medicine where everything had to be explained or validated. Too many damn essays in my life.

And in my chosen career there is a never ending stream of paperwork and forms and and summaries and daily reports and reviews that being able to type at length is no effort at all. Dictating ain't my thing. Justification for every report, test, procedure, therapy, cross all the t's and dot all the i's so shit doesn't get kicked back by insurance, medicare, medicaid...etc.

Obviously, you guys are smarter than that and really don't need me to explain anything.

So, what in the hell is there not to get about .mobi?

You put it so eloquently.

I've never developed any website, but when I do, I would make sure I don't do it on anything other than a .com.

Why?

Because I don't want the .com owner to get free type-ins from all MY hardwork. Simple logic. Why should anyone benefit from the hardwork you put in to your website? The .com owner can just sit and watch his PPC fly, while you sweat it out to get your website up the rankings.

Thats my main problem with ANY extension when it comes to developing...I'm selfish.
No matter what you do, how popular .mobi becomes, 20% of your traffic will still go to the .com.

And that sucks.


Resale is a different ballgame altogether.

I own perhaps 3000 or more .com's. All are parked except one.

Send me your traffic. Glad to have it.

 

[acc]

I've never developed any website, but when I do, I would make sure I don't do it on anything other than a .com.

Why? ... Because I don't want the .com owner to get free type-ins from all MY hardwork. Simple logic. Why should anyone benefit from the hardwork you put in to your website? The .com owner can just sit and watch his PPC fly, while you sweat it out to get your website up the rankings.

Thats my main problem with ANY extension when it comes to developing...I'm selfish. ... No matter what you do, how popular .mobi becomes, 20% of your traffic will still go to the .com. ... And that sucks.
Resale is a different ballgame altogether.

Free yourself from that way of thinking. Why hold back your potential ideas?

I would argue that using that logic, is like being in the restaurant business and deciding to forgo many possible future years of success. You won't open up a NEW location down the street from another restaurant ... just because some people might eat at that place sometimes instead of at your new place 100% of the time?

You take a risk, open up the restaurant, and spend money on newspaper, radio, and tv advertising to bring people to your place. And you may lose some customers who see another restaurant on the same street first and stop there to eat. But in reality, their menu is limited (e.g., parked page or branded otherwise) so the customer leaves dissatisfied and goes to the next place or remembers to avoid this one and look for the new place.

There are millions of .net/.org/.everything domains out there that do and will continue to lose some traffic to the .com version from someone searching using keyword(s) or urls that they can't quite remember. So what. Big deal. Worrying about what might happen and not doing anything is a waste of time and creative potential.

Put up a keyword relevant and useful site on ANY extension and you will get repeat visitors and referrals and build your business and brand. That includes the .mobi extension which is still BRAND new and has a real potential to make its place in the mobile internet.

It still baffles me why some people waste their precious breath and time - just to continue to bash this extension. You don't like it, that's fine. Go work on something useful and do something positive. Build a new three-word.com site or chase the sellout of the CVCV-CV.coms. And yes it's obvious that all this is just twisted sport for some. Maybe mom took the BB gun away for shooting at the neighbor's windows again.

To each their own. Best wishes of success to all.
.

 

[GAMEFINEST]

My brother came up to me and said .mobi will take off, its the next big thing,

and I looked at him and said , go for it. His not a member of any domain forums.

 

[mjnels]

you guys lose.

i win.


all this talky talky talky makes me laughy laughy laughy.