Funny yet sad story ...

[INVIGOR]

Its not about being "less creative", but putting others into legal troubles, for domains you do not own !!! You obviously do not remember the "Biggs case". I do.

http://www.dnforum.com/f204/domainers-cybersquatters-namejet-dnf-member-thinks-so-thread-345397.html

Don't see the parallel and not sure what the problem is for a handful of domainers other than they didn't think of it first or want to hold tm domains..

And yes, OBVIOUSLY I dont remember the biggs case because it never made my radar of relevant information.

 

[keyser]

And yes, OBVIOUSLY I dont remember the biggs case because it never made my radar of relevant information.

You better should imo :
http://www.dnforum.com/f557/warning-dmg-com-snapnames-auction-thread-340383.html

Last comment :
We here at DNF don't appreciate deceptive practices such as attempts by our members in preventing other members here from obtaining and/or bidding on a certain domain.

This thread has gone on long enough and we have taken appropriate action with the user involved.

 

[INVIGOR]

Dude. What is your hangup? This is an ENTIRELY different situation. Get over it already. I have NOT engaged in ANY deceptive practices nor prevented any other members from obtaining or bidding on any domain. Get your shit right before you go accusing.

Unless you or someone you know are directly affected by my actions, take a step back, MYOB and STFU!

Seriously..

You better should imo :
http://www.dnforum.com/f557/warning-dmg-com-snapnames-auction-thread-340383.html

Last comment :
We here at DNF don't appreciate deceptive practices such as attempts by our members in preventing other members here from obtaining and/or bidding on a certain domain.

This thread has gone on long enough and we have taken appropriate action with the user involved.

 

[DomainsInc]

Dude. What is your hangup? This is an ENTIRELY different situation. Get over it already. I have NOT engaged in ANY deceptive practices nor prevented any other members from obtaining or bidding on any domain. Get your shit right before you go accusing.

Unless you or someone you know are directly affected by my actions, take a step back, MYOB and STFU!

Seriously..

Actually its the exact same thing biggs was doing.. trying to sell the domain before he even made a bid on it. It could land the person who actually does win (totally unaware) in udrp land.

 

[INVIGOR]

Actually its the exact same thing biggs was doing.. trying to sell the domain before he even made a bid on it. It could land the person who actually does win (totally unaware) in udrp land.

No. Without going into details I can ASSURE you it's not the same thing Biggs was doing! Biggs was on the boards telling people not to bid, etc. I didn't do that. I simply contacted the company and offered to try and obtain the domain for them. Simple. They're response "We are not interested." Highly doubtful they would do squat, since "THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED." Going beyond that, if you know a domain has potential TM issues, then you know the risks that go with it....DEAL WITH IT....

This attitude of "oh, maybe they won't notice" or "I hope Mr. Biggs didn't ruin it for me" etc. is simply BULLSHIT.... A tm is a tm is a tm... You wanna play with fire, be prepared to get burned. You want to play with fire SMARTLY, call the folks up and ask them if they are interested in the name. If not, you've got a stick of paper saying "We're not interested" and if you win the domain, you have you "Get out of Jail Free" card.

Save your whining for bottom feeding domainers who go about things in an entirely different manner.

 

[DomainsInc]

No. Without going into details I can ASSURE you it's not the same thing Biggs was doing! Biggs was on the boards telling people not to bid, etc. I didn't do that. I simply contacted the company and offered to try and obtain the domain for them. Simple. They're response "We are not interested." Highly doubtful they would do squat, since "THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED." Going beyond that, if you know a domain has potential TM issues, then you know the risks that go with it....DEAL WITH IT....

This attitude of "oh, maybe they won't notice" or "I hope Mr. Biggs didn't ruin it for me" etc. is simply BULLSHIT.... A tm is a tm is a tm... You wanna play with fire, be prepared to get burned. You want to play with fire SMARTLY, call the folks up and ask them if they are interested in the name. If not, you've got a stick of paper saying "We're not interested" and if you win the domain, you have you "Get out of Jail Free" card.

Save your whining for bottom feeding domainers who go about things in an entirely different manner.

the only reason biggs was telling people not to bid was because his contact with the company did not go well and they said they were going to obtain the domain by legal means, the same could happen to you or anyone else who attempts this. Not everyone can be aware of every trademark on every domain they buy...

 

[Gerry]

2. Try to speak to someone in IT, or the webmaster. A direct referral from middle management could have him calling you.

You would be absolutely amazed, amused, and shocked how many IT people know absolutely nothing about domains, domain values, transfer, and registrations. Same with some webmasters.

I nearly went bonkers when I sold a domain to a major corporation. I have no idea who the person was that initially contacted me, but he later transferred me to their legal department, who transferred me to their IT department, who knew nothing about the domain name transfer process or what I was even talking about. IT people are usually very cool to work with but the domaining thing is not their thing. He suggested I speak to someone in marketing (which I did) who suggested speaking with their Legal team (which I did - again) who referred me back to IT. Fortunately, I got reconnected with the same person in IT I had spoken to so I did not have to repeat the same story. I walked him through the entire process of transferring, etc. The end result was a lot of chuckling about the penthouse folks and the "suits".

So, sometimes, no matter who you are talking to they may be totally clueless to what you are trying to sell or interest them in.

 

[INVIGOR]

the only reason biggs was telling people not to bid was because his contact with the company did not go well and they said they were going to obtain the domain by legal means, the same could happen to you or anyone else who attempts this. Not everyone can be aware of every trademark on every domain they buy...

I'm not concerned with Biggs. He has something entirely different going on.

Unfortunately it is incumbent upon domain buyers to do some due diligence on a domain prior to acquiring. Much like "ignorance" is no excuse for breaking a law. You can argue all you want. No, the same cannot happen to me because as i already told you, they sent me a message saying "WE ARE NOT INTERESTED!" It's not that hard to check if a domain has trademark issues. Those that don't check simply play ignorant. And what did I just say about ignorance? "IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE!"

 

[keyser]

Actually its the exact same thing biggs was doing.. trying to sell the domain before he even made a bid on it. It could land the person who actually does win (totally unaware) in udrp land.

Nothing personal, I dont know anything about you Invigor and that's fine with me. But DomainsInc nailed it. Such an action (trying to sell a domain before even placing a bid on it) is a problem for everyone tempted to buy a domain name at NJ, SN... whatever the domain is (TM'd or not, in Japan, USA, Pakistan...).

 

[TheLegendaryJP]

Short story happened 3 weeks ago..

Friend calls me up says a guy will sale him his company name in the .com (he has .ca ) for X, I said not bad one sec let me check whois.

Name was deleting and so I entered said drop company auction and won for $97.

This would easily work on countless people as they dont directly know a domainer such as myself. This practice happens daily.

 

[slimpickins]

are you implying that Dinan doesn't have a TM? i also find this to be exactly the same as what biggs did, except that the TM holder replied luckily with "we are not interested" instead of "we will be taking legal action".... which is of course better for anyone that wins the domain than in that scenario but that was a result of the possible buyers/TM holders response, NOT the sales tactic/ethics. I recall commenting in a related thread 2 years ago that, if done correctly/professionally, it "could" be a legitimate and beneficial tactic but was quickly reprimanded and reminded of the potential ramifications for anyone that does win the name if the TM snakes have been woken by someone that doesn't have control of the name and, thereby, is at no risk of potential legal action if things escalated.

 

[keyser]

are you implying that Dinan doesn't have a TM?

Dinan is also a city, plenty of tourists going there each summer :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinan

That was the main reason behind my backorder.

 

[slimpickins]

that great, but invigor explicitly said that he contacted dinan, that makes automotive parts..... and they DO have a TM. that's why I was curious what the difference was to biggs.

don't get me wrong.... i am NOT looking for fights or to point fingers. but i am not keen on securing a domain for top dollar only to have a TM holder come after me falsely assuming that I contacted them and/or parked the domain or that i bid a domain up (to the middleman benefit of someone else) that either goes beyond my speculative budget or is won only because another bidder knows that "the" best enduser is not interested beyond that amount anyway. Not that i am into TM's, but in general that's how i see it.

 

[Focus]

I think they refer to what Invigor is doing as "Bottom Feeding".

It must suck riding on everyone else's coat tails hmm?

 

[INVIGOR]

Some of you guys seriously crack me up with your assertions, interpretations, comparisons, innuendos, etc. Anyhow enjoy your bickering. I know who we are and the portfolio we have.

At the end of the day somebody has DINAN.com (hmmm maybe us??) and I've got a letter saying they're not interested in the name. And NO, I was NOT trying to sell it to them!!! You guys have fun with your pissing back and forth... Like I said before, I didn't get where I am being stupid or being a bottom feeder... IF ANYBODY WANTS JUST A SMALL SAMPLING OF OUR DOMAINS, JUST WAIT FOR THE NYC AUCTION. WE'LL HAVE AROUND TEN THERE AND MOST ARE MID $XXX,XXX!!

As for my friend Focus...when you grow up a bit and get off the pipe, bong juice or whatever your flavor is this month, I'd be pleased to do a little "domain bumping" so we can see who the REAL bottom feeder is here. INVIGOR will send you home with your tail between your legs trying to RE-FOCUS!

 

[Focus]

Wow, you won. You are the man.

I wish I had good domains, maybe one day.

You know there is a big difference between wanting to selll a domain at an auction through a broker for $xxx,xxx and having actually SOLD domains for $xxx,xxx yourself. I guess it depends on where you are at on the food chain but we do appreciate your business tough guy. Who knows maybe I will see ya in NYC and you can apologize. Carry on, be strong.

 

[Poker]

Who said domaining was a competitive business...

 

[INVIGOR]

Domaining should be a FRIENDLY competitive business, but when a REAL bottom feeder feels compelled to make stupid, useless comments, "hay que tronarle los pinche huevos..."

El focus nos chupa los huevos...

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You know there is a big difference between wanting to selll a domain at an auction through a broker for $xxx,xxx and having actually SOLD domains for $xxx,xxx yourself. I guess it depends on where you are at on the food chain but we do appreciate your business tough guy. Who knows maybe I will see ya in NYC and you can apologize. Carry on, be strong.

Oye chupa huevo, who said we haven't sold $xxx,xxx domains and/or how may? We DECLINED an offer for $1M for ONE domain just this month.

Give me a break doper. If I see you in NYC, or anywhere else for that matter, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, much less apologize! But don't worry, I have EMPLOYEES that would go on my behalf, but be warned, they'll have the same instruction.

Carry on we shall, and be strong we are...

 

[Focus]

Awww you are really cute. :laugh:

So much money, great domains, and million dollar offers but yet you want to buy domains for companies and sit and bid on auctions to make a small % of the winning bid. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. You really are a joke dude! I would call you names and take a big dump on your delicate ego but I really don't have time for stupid shit because unlike you I am busy being retired. See ya around! :hug:

 

[INVIGOR]

Awww you are really cute. :laugh:

So much money, great domains, and million dollar offers but yet you want to buy domains for companies and sit and bid on auctions to make a small % of the winning bid. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. You really are a joke dude! See ya around!

Dumb ass... you fail to see the big picture... Go get stoned so your senses are heightened...

Like I said, WHENEVER you want to bump domains, just let me know...

Missed your last sentence: Busy being retired.... Makes two of us pretty boy.