Global Warming to Cost TRILLIONS$$

[GoPC]

At least, that's how the Dems are representing themselves this month anyway. They're certain to revert once the elections are over.

GoPC

 

[Irish31]

I think there is a problem for sure. The question is how much of it is related to Global Warming?

I would say there is some effect, for sure. The Ozone Layer has seen its hole grow bigger then ever before, if I remember correctly.

The Coral reefs, which are the ecological pillar of the biggest ecosystem on the planet, are dying at an unpresidented rate. Some of this has to do with warm climates, some is man made.

Skin cancer is gone up, etc etc. We already know we have much more energy efficient ways to do the same things we are doing now. But it's a long process, and costly.

If the US doesn't jump on the bandwagon, they may very well go down in history as the country that helped destory the planet, as "we" know it.

The problem could be that we are going through a natural heating/cooling cycle, but adding in Man's meddling with the climate, it's going to make it unliveable soon for us. So the Earth isn't doing this, we are.

Jay

 

[JuniperPark]

You do realize that the ozone hole theory would mean the planet is COOLING, correct? You can't simultaneously campaign against global warming and cooling at the same time.

A gather many of the posters here have never even been to a 3rd world country where even today raw sewage and chemical waste are piped directly to the closest river or beach, so it's funny that they are worried that the US is the biggest polluter.

 

[Irish31]

Out of all the countries asked to sign, the US and I think Austrilia (could be wrong here, sorry if I am Aussies) are the only ones to say "no thanks, we like polluting as it is" to Kyoto.

3rd world countries were not actively part of Kyoto were they? And even if they were, they do what, maybe a 5% of what the US does? Canada and the US need to make the biggest changes because they are the biggest offenders.

I'm not leaving out China, France, etc. I don't care if it gets warmer because of the Ozone Layer or colder, everyone is in agreement that the lack of filtering of UV rays is slowly killing us.

 

[GoPC]

If the US doesn't jump on the bandwagon, they may very well go down in history as the country that helped destory the planet, as "we" know it.

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US ... "no thanks, we like polluting as it is"

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3rd world countries were not actively part of Kyoto were they? And even if they were, they do what, maybe a 5% of what the US does? Canada and the US need to make the biggest changes because they are the biggest offenders.

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I don't care if it gets warmer because of the Ozone Layer or colder

Haven't you figured this out by now... the US will go down in History as the Country that Destroyed the planet ANYWAY... regardless of what it does.

LOL!

Seriously, your "talk to the hand" postion on this blatently supports the fact that you enjoy eating another mans vomit. Get some opinions of your OWN and stop spitting up theories and conspiracies that you yourself admit that you don't know or care about the facts regarding it.

US is the top contributor. That's hillarious. Um... where does Chine fit into the figures I wonder?

GoPC

 

[Irish31]

I can't be bothered to "debate" with a mental midget.

In the same post you are chastising me about leaving out China, I actually say "I'm not leaving out China, France, etc."

From what I have seen, The US is the biggest offender of fossil fuel emissions. "more" then China. I mentioned the US because they are the ones that declined to sign the treaty back when. Canada, China are up there too, and I mentioned them in my post.

I don't know where you are coming from, but I have seen a number of your posts on DNForum and most of them have you coming off looking like a 16yr


Here: http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/each-countrys-share-of-co2-emissions.html

Something to look at while you think up your next insightful retort. It's a bit outdated I think but no one has caught up to the US (yet). I have seen alot of smart people on this board get drawn into your Darwinian-like arguments that usually consist of you resorting to name calling. Half the time you don't even make any sense.

Sort of like ranting about why someone would say US is the biggest contributor when they are, and why they didn't mention China, when they did. And then make some more, illogical sweeping generalizations.

By use of trending, it is predicted that China will overtake the US of the title around 2020. Maybe by then you will have learned some tact.


Jay

 

[H2FC]

Irish31....thanks for your posts, that was the kind of info I was looking for. I've always known the USA is the biggest co2 polluter. but I figured it was useless to say so without proof. Probably useless to say so even with proof to some of these guys.....lol

 

[Irish31]

Well alot of countries are pretty bad for it, not just the US. But my original statement is more telling because the US wouldn't sign-on for Kyoto. Even if they were the 5th worst, the fact they are one of the worst and not willing to sign it when almost every other big polluting country is, is a statement in itself.

They have also been blamed for watering down their consumption reports and the danger it has caused. Austrilia didn't sign on either, and they pollute alot as well. Canada did, and we aren't doing NEARLY enough, going by the stipulations outlined in Kyoto, for our targets.

It's a world effort, but ignorant remarks from people do nothing but take the debate off topic. If I want to do some name calling, i'll go visit my sisters kids.


Jay

 

[GoPC]

Just wont face it, will ya?

Straight to insults and dodging the truth. Skirt the issue, put in some jabs, talk around the truth.

CLASSIC left.

You're pretty good at it. Hillariously good at it.

Keep up the good work, you keep the floor clean.

GoPC

 

[Irish31]

Classic left? I don't really follow American politics, I guess this is where you are getting that from?

Go ahead and do the forum a big favor and list the Truth then, so I can stop avoiding it and satisfy you.

Another post by you with random quips. How is it you have so many posts (3k) and yet the majority that I see have little to no substance.

(P.S. this isn't an insult, it's my observation)

 

[ttiger]

You do realize that the ozone hole theory would mean the planet is COOLING, correct? You can't simultaneously campaign against global warming and cooling at the same time.

A gather many of the posters here have never even been to a 3rd world country where even today raw sewage and chemical waste are piped directly to the closest river or beach, so it's funny that they are worried that the US is the biggest polluter.

Ah, I see so you think we should behave like a 3rd world country.

Just wont face it, will ya?

Straight to insults and dodging the truth. Skirt the issue, put in some jabs, talk around the truth.

CLASSIC left.

You're pretty good at it. Hillariously good at it.

Keep up the good work, you keep the floor clean.

GoPC

Why do you insist on making this a right vs. left wing issue? Open your mind to information outside of the political bubble.

 

[Duckinla]

Anyone who thinks the U.S. should have ratified Kyoto, please exlplain the range of likely economic impact in the U.S.
If you can't do that, you have what is called an "uninformed opinion".

 

[H2FC]

I think to even compare the "range of likely economic impact" to what is down the road if we don't take positive action against global warming is definitely an "uninformed opinion".

Why don't you take the time to study this serious problem a little instead of believing what the handful of skeptics are telling you. This is probably the most serious problem our generation will have to face....at least take the time to learn about it....with an open mind ....and then if you still don't believe it then join the minority group. But, I'll tell somthing, I really believe the powers in charge (Bush and buddies) all really know how serious it is but it will hurt their greedy bottom line to admit it and put a program in place to do something about it. Don't let them play you for a sucker....do your own investigating.

 

[JuniperPark]

Once again:

WHERE ARE ALL THE MASSIVE HURRICANES THAT GLOBAL WARMING THEORISTS PREDICTED FOR 2006???


Remember last year, all the 2005 hurricanes were blamed on global warming, which means we should be WARMER this year.

If they can't accurately predict what's going to happen a few months away, what makes you so certain they can accurately predict effects years and decades away? Unless, of course, the whole thing is BS...

 

[Duckinla]

Answer the question. What is the likely range of economic impact on the U.S. from the Kyoto agreement? If you know so much about the subject that your going to call me uninformed and tell me what my opinion ought to be, just answer the simple question. It's something anyone supporting the agreement should clearly know. Otherwise, how could you support the agreement?

 

[GoPC]

Open your mind to information outside of the political bubble.

How would you know what, or even WHERE the "political bubble" even is?

I don't really follow American politics

"Open minded" is your excuse for "no focus, understading or grasp" of the Political Bubble.

Keep talking, I love it.

GoPC

 

[H2FC]

Once again:

WHERE ARE ALL THE MASSIVE HURRICANES THAT GLOBAL WARMING THEORISTS PREDICTED FOR 2006???


Remember last year, all the 2005 hurricanes were blamed on global warming, which means we should be WARMER this year.

If they can't accurately predict what's going to happen a few months away, what makes you so certain they can accurately predict effects years and decades away? Unless, of course, the whole thing is BS...

This is a good example of what I mean when I keep telling you to learn a little about your subject before making such silly statements. Most everybody knows (not you of course) the warmer surface waters on the oceans cause more serious and powerful storms. The ocean waters are easily tested for their temperture....its routinely done. NOAA or nobody else to my knowledge has ever said global warming causes MORE HURRICANES. Some climatologists however have said there are strong indications that human-induced global warming could be increasing the average intensity of tropical cyclones, (hurricanes) because of the warmer surface waters although there is no evidence to date that it is affecting the number of hurricanes.

There are many reasons given why we didn't get more powerful storms this year but on the average for the last several years (I'm not going to look up the exact detail) we have gotten more and more powerful storms than ever before in recorded history. All this is can be verified if you care to look it up.....or you can just disregard it and continue to be uninformed.

 

[Duckinla]

When I was a kid we spent a lot of time worrying about Nuclear Winter. Does anyone know what happens when Global Warming meets Nuclear Winter?

Hmmmm, might just have an answer to a whole bunch of our problems. Think about it guys.

 

[JuniperPark]

This is a good example of what I mean when I keep telling you to learn a little about your subject before making such silly statements. ... The ocean waters are easily tested for their temperture....its routinely done. NOAA or nobody else to my knowledge has ever said global warming causes MORE HURRICANES.

All this is can be verified if you care to look it up.....or you can just disregard it and continue to be uninformed.

OOOOPS!!!
From the NOAA website: "Global Warming and Hurricanes"
Direct quote from the article: "...greenhouse-gas induced warming may lead to an increasing risk in the occurrence of highly destructive category-5 storms."
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/glob_warm_hurr.html

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Ok, how about the Pew Center for Global Change?
"Hurricanes and Global Warming - Q&A "
http://www.pewclimate.org/hurricanes.cfm

From the article: "Sscientists believe that global warming will result in more intense hurricanes"

Also:

QUESTION: When is the typical hurricane season?

ANSWER: The Atlantic hurricane season runs from June 1-November 30, although the peak season is from mid-August through October. An average season produces 10 tropical storms, with 6 becoming hurricanes, 2 of which reach sustained wind speeds at or above 100 miles per hour

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So tell me again exactly WHO needs to do their research before making an uninformed post??

 

[H2FC]

Answer the question. What is the likely range of economic impact on the U.S. from the Kyoto agreement? If you know so much about the subject that your going to call me uninformed and tell me what my opinion ought to be, just answer the simple question. It's something anyone supporting the agreement should clearly know. Otherwise, how could you support the agreement?

I am not an economist. I read reports....I do not write them. If you want to know what the cost of global warming will be if we take action now and what it will be if we take no action then I refer you to the Stern Report that just came out yesterday. Just do a search on it....it should answer all your questions. I can assure you, however, it will cost us a lot more in economic loss by not taking action now.

I know you won't take the time to read all the latest info on global warming and form your own intelligent opinion based on facts, so you can just continue on in your little minority group and rely on what other uninformed people tell you. But be careful what you print in here, some of us know BS when we see it.