How can Domainers help each other more?

[Johnn]

There are several ways to make money in this business and asking a general or newbie question would lead you to nowhere.

If someone wants to learn the business then he/she first needs to understand all the basics of domaining and define an area that he/she wants to pursue:

These are the issues for the domain business:
- Sellers try to sell to sellers
- The public still don't understand about the domain business
- There is not a public outlet store/site that would fill the missing link between sellers/buyers

I am working on forming a company with the management team who will have expertise in several areas. The goal would be:
- Educate the end users
- Grouping qualified sellers to form a large quality names
- Make the connection to both resellers and the public.

I can tell you right now it is not an easy job.

 

[Sonny Banks]

Domaining has become one of the most conservative industries in my opinion. Rarely do domainers help or co-operate with one another, although I do note that the Exclusive Domain Consulting Group here may well be an exception - I am not a member and therefore the success or otherwise of the group I cannot comment on.

Generally help between domainers is given when help is requested to explain an aspect of domaining. Here though I have to agree with Biggendon that it can become very irksome when the same question is posted by domaining newcomers who have not even bothered to take the time to read the library of numerous posts explaining the point which they ask.

I personally would love to see more co-operation and help between domainers, but I doubt it will occur in any great scale, it is the nature of the beast that the domaining industry has developed into that makes co-operation and help something that is rare in this business. The industry is not segmented into guilds but has maintained to a greater degree of individualism, this is a pity because it has hampered the opportunities for mutual benefit. I personally have had to approach a VC consortium rather than other members of the industry for development, my previous attempts at co-opertion with the few members of the industry that I have tried have unfortunately proved pointless and costly. This though in itself, bringing in external businesses to the domaining environment, is not in itself a bad thing as they are rarely so opinionated in their thoughts, the bottom line being simply can a project make money and if so how much.

One specific area where domainers could really help themselves is to form their own parking company with the parking results and payment system being totally open to its members. This has though been spouted about many times both on this forum and other forums, such a company though is yet to see the light of day.

The pie of which all members here want to claim their own slice is huge, unfortunately though we all remain individuals and miss many an opportunity for mutual benefit by remaining so.

I agree with you.
How domainers can help each others when the Big Players don't give a s... about the other peoples in this industry?
Guys never read DNJ?
The most part of this industry is shady and the peoples are full of arrogance only.
We can talk for hours about help but this is a fact.
In past I've said here on DNF these words: "this is more than a simple forum, this is a community..." and peoples here attack me said this: "shut up, this is a business forum only, this is not a family we don't give a s... about make friends here...."
So guys what we talk about in this thread??
This industry is full of hypocrits.

 

[Biggie]

I agree with you.
How domainers can help each others when the Big Players don't give a s... about the other peoples in this industry?
Guys never read DNJ?
The most part of this industry is shady and the peoples are full of arrogance only.
We can talk for hours about help but this is a fact.
In past I've said here on DNF these words: "this is more than a simple forum, this is a community..." and peoples here attack me said this: "shut up, this is a business forum only, this is not a family we don't give a s... about make friends here...."
So guys what we talk about in this thread??
This industry is full of hypocrits.

if you notice, every new, existing or start-up newsletter, blog or domain reporter always uses one of the "big boys" to get their headlines and viewers.

and just about everyone who says that the "big boys" don't care about us/them, are the first to post a link to an interview about them.

you perpetuate and disseminate opinions of these people and place them in regard...higher than you place yourselves and your own ambitions.
so facinated with what they have done, which further clouds your own path.

what "they" give most rarely see, just as what most members here give is rarely noticed.

info is here for the taking, but who's reading between the lines, after they've read the "headline"?

for example:

one OP asked members to post links to their sites so he could see how they use adsense within the pages to produce revenue.

when in fact, if they read any of the "Websites for Sale" section threads, they could see how adsense is used, as many of the sellers there are using adsense to monetize their websites.

another example:

an OP asks, what type of domains are buyers looking for?

if one were to read the "Domains Wanted" threads, then all the requests are right there. for some groups of domains, there are requests for them year after year.

finally, carter, i would agree that this is a business forum.

i've always looked at it this way and my objective was never about making friends.
it has always been about growing my domain business and building trusted relationships thru business transactions.

however, if we make a friend or two thru the process that's fine too!

 

[Theo]

Raider, PM sent with the uncouth words that were :censored: by biggedon. I'm sure you'll have a good laugh.

 

[nameadvertising.com]

As in Real Estate, there is a need to create a domainer's MLS. I am certain, a day will come when we will have it.

I just don't trust the domain auction events and their valuations. Those are players pumping up their own stocks with 1 entity picking what is valuable and what is not.

Far as domainers helping other domainers, it all depends on what one needs and how badly. Not so long ago, I was on the verge of losing my better than average names due to incoming funds timing glitch. I had no choice but ask for help. Steve of nametraders.com came to my assistance inspite of not being in a very comfortable position to do so financially. I am sure, these seemingly liitle acts of kindness is more prevalent than we see and hear about on a regular basis.

It is hard to be able to look after another when most domainers are struggling to be solvent, let alone make a good living off of their domains.

Unless our industry is regulated like the physical Real Estate with proper licensing, valid and controlled appraisals and more transparent sales channels, any of these private domain shows and ad hoc domaining platforms just won't do. They are not in it for the greater good of domaning other than their own personal interests.

After all these years, for all the noise they make about domains, its valuation and its future, the industry has taken 2 steps in the stagnant pool. The sheer number of lowballers in our industry is hypocritical at best when these same entities gloat about the domaining prospects glorifying themselves.

I say this because, I have no resources. I started late and if I had those millions like some do, I'd take the industry in another direction bypassing the scavenger hunt mentality that encompasses the domaning world today

A dn mls is due. Let's keep this discussion alive. Perhaps something may come out of it.

 

[Bill Roy]

There are several ways to make money in this business and asking a general or newbie question would lead you to nowhere.

If someone wants to learn the business then he/she first needs to understand all the basics of domaining and define an area that he/she wants to pursue:

These are the issues for the domain business:
- Sellers try to sell to sellers
- The public still don't understand about the domain business
- There is not a public outlet store/site that would fill the missing link between sellers/buyers

I am working on forming a company with the management team who will have expertise in several areas. The goal would be:
- Educate the end users
- Grouping qualified sellers to form a large quality names
- Make the connection to both resellers and the public.

I can tell you right now it is not an easy job.

I think your last line is probably an understatement!

I really do wish you all the best and look forward to seeing the fruition of your hard work in this area.

 

[Johnn]

Bill,

Care to explain why the last line would be an understatement?
I honestly think (or should I say believe) it is not an easy job.

Thanks,
John

 

[Bill Roy]

Hi Johnn,

Your last line says "I can tell you right now it is not an easy job", so by me saying that is an understatement I am saying it is even harder than you say.

Sorry if my meaning was not clear.

 

[madbigt]

One specific area where domainers could really help themselves is to form their own parking company with the parking results and payment system being totally open to its members. This has though been spouted about many times both on this forum and other forums, such a company though is yet to see the light of day.

The pie of which all members here want to claim their own slice is huge, unfortunately though we all remain individuals and miss many an opportunity for mutual benefit by remaining so.

I'll donate my domain for this. parkselldomains.com

 

[Gerry]

There are many great ideas expressed.

But many proposals are going to take time.

Meanwhile, doing what individual members can do for each other is a big BIG BIG start.

And the sooner people come to the realization that this is a global community and not a private neighborhood investment club the sooner many of these ideas will start to happen.

There are several ways to make money in this business and asking a general or newbie question would lead you to nowhere.

If someone wants to learn the business then he/she first needs to understand all the basics of domaining and define an area that he/she wants to pursue:

These are the issues for the domain business:
- Sellers try to sell to sellers
- The public still don't understand about the domain business
- There is not a public outlet store/site that would fill the missing link between sellers/buyers

I am working on forming a company with the management team who will have expertise in several areas. The goal would be:
- Educate the end users
- Grouping qualified sellers to form a large quality names
- Make the connection to both resellers and the public.

I can tell you right now it is not an easy job.

That is the understatement of the year.

 

[Johnn]

At least I realized the issues and give it a try instead of sitting there and complaining!

It may take a month, a quarter or a year but I am not going to give up.

I think I may qualify to run for 2012?

 

[Gerry]

I think I may qualify to run for 2012?

Isn't Pennsylvania a foreign country?

 

[Johnn]

It depends on if you take a look from the left or the right.

 

[draggar]

At least I realized the issues and give it a try instead of sitting there and complaining!

It may take a month, a quarter or a year but I am not going to give up.

I think I may qualify to run for 2012?

I don't know, people might still be mad after the video you posted the other day... :lol:

This is a hard industry. I've been doing it for almost two years now and I'm still learning more than I thought I'd learn about it. You can study it all you want for yearts and you will still not know a lot.

I think Johnn's idea is a great one but as he said, it will be a lot of work.

 

[Gerry]

Earlier in the year, I made a website, iJoom.net, to show members of mobility.mobi how to make a mobile site using joomla.

This is the absolute basics from DNS pointing, cPanel use, and so on to actually introducing them to the Joomla CMS.

The instructions are so simple and easy and, of course, detailed.

The instructions can be downloaded in PDF format or printed and followed without images to set up a basic site.

This could easily be adopted to also include a non-.mobi site.

Joomla is not the easiest CMS to use but it has the biggest following globally and a user forum that is incredible. Thousands of free templates can be found that will fit any need and there are at least 3500 free addons for anything imaginable.

There is a way of getting folks started with "unparking" and monitizing a site themselves.

Some examples are StonesMusic.com, eEat.net, BodyHuman.net and countless projects in various stages of production.

Snowed.net is no magic or no hardship. It is a free template and free plug in to make snow appear to be falling.

 

[Johnn]

This is not the new idea. I had this idea several years back and the other forum owner invited me to be on the Board of Directors.
I resigned after 6 months as I did not see any progress and I was right. It did not go any where.

If we can all agree on the goal than I can start it again but I can't do it alone.

 

[RustyK]

Yes I like Johnn's idea. Its tough trying to sell to an enduser when he or she thinks you're just out to scam them but I keep trying. We need an authority site that enduser's can go to and get themselves involved and at the same time, grab a few names off the shelf.

 

[james2002]

May be create a blog where domainers to post on regular basis and the site will have a column for the links to the sites of the domainers.

I have domain daily news .com and if it got tons of visitors it will be beneficial to the domainers who contribute.

 

[Biggie]

After all these years, for all the noise they make about domains, its valuation and its future, the industry has taken 2 steps in the stagnant pool. The sheer number of lowballers in our industry is hypocritical at best when these same entities gloat about the domaining prospects glorifying themselves.

I say this because, I have no resources. I started late and if I had those millions like some do, I'd take the industry in another direction bypassing the scavenger hunt mentality that encompasses the domaning world today

A dn mls is due. Let's keep this discussion alive. Perhaps something may come out of it.

the number of lowballers is equivalent to the number of newbies who come into this biz everyday and those who've been in it a few months with no money.
it would be foolish for a newb to offer big bucks for something that they don't understand or realize the potential of.

that's why so many newbs end up buying worthless names only to drop them later. we all did it and may still be doing it.

but don't get confused, there ARE huge propects in domaining, and the "scavenger hunt" is one that i have no problem going on.

many a scavenged name has been flipped into a tidy profit.

though the "mentality" of feeling like you have to scrape from the "bottom of the barrel" is true for most latecomers, but only to a certain extent.

that "extent" ends when you create your own barrel... you own niche`

you start making your own path and blaze down it, tossing all your ideas, experiences and knowledge into that barrel to dig thru at your leisure.


when you can hand-reg a domain and renew it for 3-5 years, then sell it for a few G's, then your mentality starts to change.

but you need to have realistic expectations:
you will not be one of the "big boys" tommorrow
you may never be a big boy.
your name may never get in dnjournal!

but that should not be your objective.



i was happy as hell when i first regged a domain and sold it for 3'x reg fee!
it was a profit and by proft standards...it was huge

you start to tell yourself, "we can do this"....yes we can

now six years later i have income streams coming monthly from 7 different online sources.


there is still room for newbies to make money, as i still hand-reg domains that get traffic and produce revenue.

 

[nameadvertising.com]

To take Johnn's concept further, a separate forum must be created with a ground up input in there so idea's and thoughts can not only be preserved but followed upon by admins.

My thoughts - If this concept is not created a regulatory body, much as Real Estate is, it will be just another private venture jostling for space with existing and competing sales platforms.

This newly created body must be able to license brokers, agents, appraisers to exude validity and legitimacy for end users to feel comfortable making a transaction.