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Ismailax.com == Bloody Massacre Domain???

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Concur. The hypocrisy of some people amazes me.

The hypocrisy of which people amazes you? THose who register domain names that take advantage of the pain and suffering of others and then call newscasts leeches, or those who write a book and make money reporting on the pain and suffering of others as a sensational exploitation (not from a historical perspective) and act self-righteous about being "crime fighters", or those who don't include everyone in one big bundle of moral turpitude and just pick on one guy who so far as I know, is making lots of money in the MIDDLE of a huge national tragedy?

Why do people act outraged when bottom feeders come in and rob the bodies of the fallen soldiers in battle? Why do people have morals? I don't know. I just have this overwhelming feeling it's probably better for humanity help heal people when they are hurting, not cash in while they're still traumatized.
 

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Why do people have morals?

Morals are subjective to one's beliefs.

I just have this overwhelming feeling it's probably better for humanity help heal people when they are hurting, not cash in while they're still traumatized.

But it's okay to cash in afterwards?

My question still remains. Who wouldn't take JacktheRipper.com or AlCapone.com? And tell me how there is a difference.
 

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It's not even that. The real irony is I was reading about some of this on "yahoo news" guess what the ad was? "Need college loans?" Does Yahoo have their ads targeted or what?

If you need something to be pissed about be pissed at that. I'm reading about a college shooting and Yahoo is asking if I need a loan to go to one.

I agree -- perfect point. That also is something that bothers me greatly. Corporate news LOVES disasters -- commercial sales revenue jump, they can wring every angle of money from their listeners they can. It's so obvious I'm surprised that consumers don't demand some sort of corporate payback fund to victims of their reports they're sensationalizing.

Last nite, I swear, "Access Hollywood" did a segment on how all the news stations "rallied" their forces to get to the scene of the crime. I'm not kidding, the news was reporting on the news, but it was entertainment news reporting on "real news" and they were exclaiming how exciting the process was "bringing their correspondents and teams in" and they went down the line including CNN, Fox, all the major networks and other news reporting services, presenting the media as some sort of public heroes. Mind boggling.
 

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I agree -- perfect point. That also is something that bothers me greatly. Corporate news LOVES disasters -- commercial sales revenue jump, they can wring every angle of money from their listeners they can. It's so obvious I'm surprised that consumers don't demand some sort of corporate payback fund to victims of their reports they're sensationalizing.

On this point I can agree. If anyone is going to complain about monetizing a tragedy then the beginning needs to be with the advertising providers. Yahoo, Google, MSN, down the list. But that won't change because a public service ads don't make the cash "school loans" do.

It would be so easy for news to separate their commercials on tragedies vs. non-tragedies yet they won't 'cause that wont make the money they need for their shareholders.
 

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There's nothing wrong, people, nothing wrong!
He does not steal money from the unfortunate.

Well the real thing is that people hate to see others making easy money.

If you're suggesting that I "hate" to see people making easy money, and that it's based on the fact that I didn't register the domain myself, you're not getting it and you're talking about your own moral belief system. I would never have registered it UNLESS it was set up as a fund site to help the victims. Period. Just like I don't chew gum off the soles of people's shoes, I don't need to make money off of current and ongoing suffering.

If anything, to support your side of the argument, there should be some cooling down period before the vultures are allowed to feed on the corpses.

And Sarcle says everything you buy at some point cost lives or tragedy -- and that may be true but it's not direct, and its not in your face, unless of course, you're talking the War in Iraq and blood diamonds.

Either people have scruples or they don't. I'm not saying this because I am "jealous" I'm not making money off the ismailax.com domain, I do very well, thank you, without sucking maggots out of a trash pile for sustenance.:lol:

BTW 160 people were killed today in Bagdhad from bomb detonations.
Only when a tragedy hits close to home do people realize the extent of human loss.

You didn't forget the huge anti war movement in the USA, did you? I guarantee you that this didn't go unnoticed because the tragedy wasn't "close to home". Millions of Americans are outraged every single day at the deaths and mutilations occuring in Iraq and elsewhere in the world. And Americans were helping and giving when the tsunami hit Thailand and India a year or so ago.

Anyone who wants to capitalize on anything should be buying high capacity magazines for handguns and rifles. Previous assault weapons ban sent AR15 30 round magazines through the roof at $125.00 a pop. With the recent events and already a revised weapons ban before the congress (which high capacity magazines in particular being mentioned) look for this to really fuel the issue and be passed without too much opposition now. No one is going to want to look insensitive with an upcoming election year.

I know all the arguments about guns don't kill people and all that, but this is the reality. Campaigns, upcoming elections, democratic congress, veto power. The new bill before congress is pretty weighted and does not provide many options to include ban on parts, semi auto shotguns, magazine clips, certain ammo, and more. Many types of ammo have already jumped by nearly 30% or more in anticipation of the ban and feeding the frenzy.

So if you want to make about 10 times your investment in about a year's time, buy gun magazines instead of domains or shift some of your money in that direction. I am not advocating that everyone do this if that is morally a guilt trip for you just as some are advocating they do not see anything wrong with domainers registering domains based on tragedies and horrific events and capitalizing on those events.

How do I know so much about this? I am a member of the NRA, I am a sharpshooter (targets), I own several pistols with high capacity magazines and I have a group of people that I shoot with. Most also in the medical profession. One is a rated 1000 yard expert currently off the circuit thanks to a divorce in progress, I own high powered rifles and semi-auto shotguns, I suck at skeet and clays, and I belong to two outdoor ranges and one indoor range. One of my shooting buddies is a former military sniper who has the most awesome AR15 tactical assault set ups I have every seen complete with halographic sites and scope. This past fall he purchased 250 30-round clips even before the elections in antipation of a democratic sweep and control of congress and the reviving of the assault weapons ban. I would say the value of his "magazine" portfolio has risen significantly.

What does this have to do with domains? Opportunistic and capitalizing on an event and it's after effect.

Yep, me too. I guess i could be hated by a certain class of gun-haters because I own guns and am a member of the NRA too... and I'm a liberal, I think!!! :lol:

But I love guns. What would have happened if one of the students just happened to have a little beretta .22 in their backpack? Maybe they could have had the chance to defend themselves.

It just got my hackles raised because this article on someone buying this domain made domainers look sleazy, and I really want to work hard with domainers and the domain industry to bring us more mainstream. Our domains will appreciate in value because of it.

Now how do I explain the fact I own "gunlobby.com"? :eek:

Well, this certainly has been an insightful thread. I didn't realize so many opinions, all worthwhile, have been posted in response. Thanks everyone for bringing all these issues to light.
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It's the conservatives fault that the guy had a gun. It's the liberals fault that the others didn't have guns. Argueable for sure. But I can tell you this: One is a theory, the other is fact.
 

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My question still remains. Who wouldn't take JacktheRipper.com or AlCapone.com? And tell me how there is a difference.
History vs. the here and now.

Give folks time to grieve, heal, mourn. That is what seems to be the proper thing to do.

However, I understand that those who are detached from this emotionally and personally have no qualms regarding cashing in on this.

Is it morally wrong?

If I to go around selling T-shirst "Cho Missed Me", is that morally acceptable?

What do you think would happen to me should I go to VT campus and set up a booth hawking my shirts.

What would be different from this concept of cashing in, being opportunistic and capitalistic than regging domains and promoting and cashing in on the tragedy?

The internet makes it impersonal, detachable, without face, without regard, without respect, without morals. The internet has no conscious. It simply exists for what it is.

That's the difference. There is not a soul on this planet that would go to that campus at this very moment and physically set up a booth promoting their site for all to visit and profit from.

There is not a person alive that would walk through the crowd at Virginia Tech holding up and waving shirts "JUMP or DIE" in the air like a carnival atmosphere.

We're commenting on one domain name of many, one person of many. This particular person is in Texas. No personal attachment, distance, the domain name simply exists on the internet. "ISMAILAX" t-shirts and bumper stickers being handed out in the crowd of Virginia Tech students and supporters.

Rather than ask what is morally acceptable, let's ask what is morally unacceptable? None of us has the balls to go to that campus right now and preach to them what is morally acceptable or hand out t-shirts as such. None of us have the balls to physically look these people in the face and tell them to get over it, theres nothing you can do, been there, done that, got the shirt.

But sitting at a computer screen half around the planet if it was India, or Korea, or Spain where it was regged, many are saying it is no different than the media promoting the tragedy. Wow, there's a huge difference.

Lets pretend the internet exists on August 1, 1966 and it is the day of the University of Texas tower sniper and he has just killed 14 people and wounded 31 and he himself was killed by the police. The night before, he killed his wife and mother. Doubtful this resident in Texas would have the balls or even the fortitude or would have come out of shock quick enough to register a domain name. It would be someone in Virginia. And who was this shooter? How many web sites are devoted to him and generating money?

Everyone is correct...if not him, then someone else. It is perhaps in a twisted way "morally" acceptable by todays standards to rush to register. I guess society defines and re-defines what is acceptable by todays standards and some of those standards appear to be being defined and re-defined in this very thread.

Regarding domains, anything goes. We have no personal attachment to it. We can impact and effect the story line, the emotions, and the lives of those involved without making personal contact. So I guess there is an entirely different standard and characterization defining morals when it comes to the internet. That moral seems to be, "I hope no one beats me to it".
 

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By then, the constroversal domains are ready to die.
 

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It just got my hackles raised because this article on someone buying this domain made domainers look sleazy, and I really want to work hard with domainers and the domain industry to bring us more mainstream. Our domains will appreciate in value because of it.

Several domains based on tragedy doesn't make domaining look sleazy. I agree that the domain industry has made progress towards mainstream. But it's not this kind of action that is holding domaining back from the limelight. There is one single word that is doing it. "Transparency" Or I should say the lack there of. PPC, Domain Sales, Parking Sites, Auctions, much much more need to open their logs to the public. And until this happens domaining will never hit mainstream.

There are leeches and vampires in every industry. Domaining isn't any different, that's not what makes us less professional as a whole. But when you see "Thisdomainshouldntbehere.com" hit DNJ for 50k and every domainer in the world knows that this domain isn't work a nickel. It makes legitimate investors very cautious about the validity of these sales and what their purpose was.

How do I know what I am making from PPC is correct? Where are the auditors? All of this needs to be in place and standards need to be exercised and brought forth.

It's getting there, but right now we're are nothing but squatters to most news orgs anyways.
 

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Your analogy is totally off base.

The analogy is there doing there job and providing a service the public wants, needs and relies on...I still cant see how anyone can compare TV Journalism to a domainer buying, selling or parking VTMassacre.com, .net, .org, info, us :?:

And what is your fascination with ebay? Who cares what someone TRIES to sell on ebay?

I care!, Remember when people were selling newspapers and ashes from WTC after 911? Back then Ebay had no policy against it, so somebody created an account under something like "dont_capitalize_on_tragedies" and bought up over a million dollars of those auctions and never paid for them, others did the same, CNN caught it and ran a story about it, after it made the news, Ebay pulled those auctions and implemented new rules against listing tragic items, I commend that person and others for doing what they did!. :rolleyes:

You're telling me you wouldn't take Jacktheripper.com or AlCapone.com if it was handed to you?

I would take them in a heartbeat, just because of the history these two have, no different than JohnWilkesbooth.com, I would most likely build them into biography or informational sites, no adverts. Would I take JeffreyDahmer.com or Tedbundy.com, definitely NOT!
 

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Would I take JeffreyDahmer.com or Tedbundy.com, definitely NOT!
My goodness? Why the distinction?

Let me guess...excuse me for taking the liberty of doing such. Is it because these two were disturbing and creepy and were part of the culture and headlines of you growing up? Is it that they are too fresh in your psyche to come to terms of acceptance of what they did?

As some have said regarding this tragedy in Virginia...GET OVER IT!

Not that easy when there is some emotional attachment to the situation. Even if you were or were not directly involved if there is any attachment of any kind to the time period or name or culture or brings back bad memories...

Even though it has been years since they have been in the headlines...

Again, I apologize for being presumptuous but that is how I see it and it applies to the present scenario as well.
 

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My goodness? Why the distinction?

Let me guess...excuse me for taking the liberty of doing such. Is it because these two were disturbing and creepy and were part of the culture and headlines of you growing up? Is it that they are too fresh in your psyche to come to terms of acceptance of what they did?

As some have said regarding this tragedy in Virginia...GET OVER IT!

Not that easy when there is some emotional attachment to the situation. Even if you were or were not directly involved if there is any attachment of any kind to the time period or name or culture or brings back bad memories...

Even though it has been years since they have been in the headlines...

Again, I apologize for being presumptuous but that is how I see it and it applies to the present scenario as well.

Ding Ding Ding.... RG's answer was exactly what I was expecting to hear.

Recent = no good. 50+ years = acceptable

The analogy is there doing there job and providing a service the public wants, needs and relies on...I still cant see how anyone can compare TV Journalism to a domainer buying, selling or parking VTMassacre.com, .net, .org, info, us :?:

Well then you aren't reading or absorbing the information. I'll try to make this as simple as possible.

Corporate TV = billions made in ad revenue.
 

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I emailed the webmaster of the site and told him about it and I am going to just give him the "sub-account" they are all in. This way he can do what he wants with them and then VT will be in total control of them.

He has not contacted me back yet.

Be prepared to keep the names. I bought raped.org here to keep it from becoming a porn site. I've been trying to give it to the organization I'm forwarding it to ever since. I've had to renew it once already.
 

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Ding Ding Ding.... RG's answer was exactly what I was expecting to hear.

Recent = no good. 50+ years = acceptable


I wasn't aware you could look into a crystal ball and tell us that Jeffrey and Ted will be legends 50 years from now....amazing.

All in all, yours and Docs presumptions are dead wrong. Not glamorizing what JTR and Capone did, but they do remain 2 legendary figures in history, the unsolved murders by JTR, the most famous "who done it" going back to 1888, and Al Capone as one of the most notorious gangsters in history during prohibition. This is a far cry from a mentally disturbed individual that drills holes in his victims head and pours acid in there brain while there alive, he's not a John Wilkes Booth that made Abraham Lincoln a martyr, just a sick bastard like Cho that everyone will eventually forget.

Corporate TV = billions made in ad revenue.

News corps don't prey on tragedy like a slime ball domainer does, I'm sorry to hear that the amount of money they make troubles you so much, they do give to Charities, what does a tragic domainer donate? nothing but a bad name for all of us!
 

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I'm gonna be the first to say that I wish I had registered this domain.
 

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And I admit that I bought stock in British Airways after it fell heavily on the day of 9/11. There are quirks in all of us.
 

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And I admit that I bought stock in British Airways after it fell heavily on the day of 9/11. There are quirks in all of us.

lol. I bought Carnival Cruise Lines stock and did quite well in about 90 days from what I remember. I figured Cruises would become the vacation of choice. In fact I still think Cruises are becoming the vacation of choice for more people.
 

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I wasn't aware you could look into a crystal ball and tell us that Jeffrey and Ted will be legends 50 years from now....amazing.

All in all, yours and Docs presumptions are dead wrong. Not glamorizing what JTR and Capone did, but they do remain 2 legendary figures in history, the unsolved murders by JTR, the most famous "who done it" going back to 1888, and Al Capone as one of the most notorious gangsters in history during prohibition. This is a far cry from a mentally disturbed individual that drills holes in his victims head and pours acid in there brain while there alive, he's not a John Wilkes Booth that made Abraham Lincoln a martyr, just a sick bastard like Cho that everyone will eventually forget.



News corps don't prey on tragedy like a slime ball domainer does, I'm sorry to hear that the amount of money they make troubles you so much, they do give to Charities, what does a tragic domainer donate? nothing but a bad name for all of us!


All I have to say is with these two statements you are coming across as one of the most ignorant persons I've ever met. There is nothing more I can say to this except for the fact that they have you completely snowed over.
 
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