Ismailax.com == Bloody Massacre Domain???

[barefoot]

Odds? Money wins for myself. :smilewinkgrin:

So you have no problem with any domain at all being monetized or resold for profit, no matter what the subject matter of that domain is or how you make your money?

Would you register the personal name of one of the victims and then offer it to that victim's family for $50,000?

Would you register that domain and place porn ads on it?

Would you register that domain and sell instructional pamphlets and books on how to blow away college students and other people?

Just trying to determine the scope of your "money wins" philosophy. :worried:

 

[Raider]

Traffic on this domain is going to trickle down to almost nothing in a very short period, and as for selling it; when Michael Mann was asked after 911 about domains registered relating to the 911 tragedy, he said that less than one percent will ever sell for more than a couple hundred dollars, looking back, it appears he was right.

Making a quick buck at the expense of a tragedy and hiding behind a private registration, is not a business I want to be in, unfortunately I can see only a handful on this forum that feel that way......very sad.

 

[Sarcle]

So you have no problem with any domain at all being monetized or resold for profit, no matter what the subject matter of that domain is or how you make your money?

Would you register the personal name of one of the victims and then offer it to that victim's family for $50,000?

Would you register that domain and place porn ads on it?

Would you register that domain and sell instructional pamphlets and books on how to blow away college students and other people?

Just trying to determine the scope of your "money wins" philosophy. :worried:

LOL. It's funny how people ALWAYS take things to the extreme. Please don't put words in my mouth or assume what I would do.

I see this as no different than any mass murder or serious crimes that are being monetized on. Books being wrote or movies that are made.

RG wants to distinguish a difference between murder. Murder is murder. Doesn't matter if it happened yesterday, one hundred years ago, or a thousand years ago. How many people are profiting off the murder of Jesus? :lol:

I guess whatever makes people sleep better at night is their own choice. I'm not here to judge anyone. But I don't see a difference in the murder of victims of JTR, Hinkley, or any other crazy person. I don't condone it either. I just react to the world in which I live.

Personally I know there will be a book or movie after this and most likely they will use this title as his name isn't really eye catching but this phrase certainly has caught the attention of many. Marketing people aren't dumb and will pounce on this.

Anything illegal I would not do. So I hope that answers your questions.

 

[Fearless]

How many people are profiting off the murder of Jesus? :lol:

Good one. Profits on that murder are into the billions, maybe trillions.

 

[Raider]

RG wants to distinguish a difference between murder. Murder is murder. Doesn't matter if it happened yesterday, one hundred years ago, or a thousand years ago. How many people are profiting off the murder of Jesus?

Do you read these posts or do you just glance over them and extract only what you can spin? again I NEVER said I would turn sites like JTR or Capone into profit, if you READ, I stated I would make them informational or biography related sites with NO ads! NO PROFIT, much like I would a johnwilkesbooth site, so what part of that are you not getting?

One thing that is SO overlooked in your crap comparisons is the respect for the victims families at a time of grief! where is that at? I really want to know.

 

[Theo]

I myself would have parked it, monetized it, and not the least felt bad about it, and I would still now.

I guess these faces mean nothing to you either.

 

[Sarcle]

Do you read these posts or do you just glance over them and extract only what you can spin? again I NEVER said I would turn sites like JTR or Capone into profit, if you READ, I stated I would make them informational or biography related sites with NO ads! NO PROFIT, much like I would a johnwilkesbooth site, so what part of that are you not getting?

One thing that is SO overlooked in your crap comparisons is the respect for the victims families at a time of grief! where is that at? I really want to know.

Actually I stopped reading your posts when you tried to tell me there was a difference between JTR and Ted Bundy. I'm sorry but I don't see a difference. What you would do with the sites I really don't care. But you probably saw the Johnny Depp flick where he was hunting down ole JTR and probably had no problems with them making millions.

Actually I do post my sympathies in my first thread that you obviously overlooked.

I don't see a difference sorry. Murder is murder.

I guess these faces mean nothing to you either.

Again, it's very shitty. Never said it was a good thing. But again, I've stated what I've stated and I don't see a difference in murdering people nor a difference in Hollywood profiting off of it or a writer profiting from it or a news corporation profiting off of it.

But if it makes a movie of the week I'm sure most of you will be watching.

They've already had 9/11 movies for Christ sake. Where you in line protesting or in line buying popcorn?

I don't even own any of these domains. The guilt trip isn't going to work. But a nice touch.

 

[barefoot]

LOL. It's funny how people ALWAYS take things to the extreme.

I must be an extremist, then. :smilewinkgrin:

Please don't put words in my mouth

I have no interest in putting anything in your mouth.

RG wants to distinguish a difference between murder. Murder is murder. Doesn't matter if it happened yesterday, one hundred years ago, or a thousand years ago.

I think it does make a difference. The amount of time depends on the nature and scope of the event, as well as how strongly that event continues to affect people emotionally and spiritually.

How many people are profiting off the murder of Jesus? :lol:

Well, the Catholic Church certainly comes to mind.

Personally I know there will be a book or movie after this and most likely they will use this title as his name isn't really eye catching but this phrase certainly has caught the attention of many.

There's no question a movie will be made about this incident, and that this killer's name and face will become firmly entrenched in our popular culture, which is exactly what he wanted in the first place.

Anything illegal I would not do. So I hope that answers your questions.

Good to know. Thanks for your clarifications.

 

[Raider]

I think it does make a difference. The amount of time depends on the nature and scope of the event, as well as how strongly that event continues to affect people emotionally and spiritually.

Very good point, but as his posts suggests, he just doesnt get that and I doubt he ever will.

 

[DomainingCom]

Good find Acroplex,

It's a sad feeling to see all these faces of young people that are no longer here. Nobody never imagine they were living their last days few days ago.
That's horrible and very sad.

 

[Gerry]

I just react to the world in which I live.

Good point.

The world I live in is about 1.5 hours from the VT campus. The place I work is even closer...about an hour away. Many people I work with have sons, daughters or know someone going to school at Virginia Tech.

The college I attended as an undergrad was the scene of a murder/suicide at one of our frat parties.

The internet detaches a great many of us from having to deal with such issues on a personal or emotional level. That is one world.

In another world, one lives and shares common interests in the people or community that is impacted by such an event. An event that may cause certain supressed memories to come forth. Or expressions of caring or concern for those that may be impacted on an extreme level that many of us may not be able to comprehend.

That's the world some are in at the moment.

 

[Sarcle]

In another world, one lives and shares common interests in the people or community that is impacted by such an event. An event that may cause certain supressed memories to come forth. Or expressions of caring or concern for those that may be impacted on an extreme level that many of us may not be able to comprehend.

That's the world some are in at the moment.

Agreed. I totally understand the grief that those are going through. But take another look at the link that Acroplex provided. Seems even CNN again, couldn't stop themselves from monetizing on the webpage with the list of victims. In fact they monetize every single page of every single victim listed with ads plastered on them. Just in case when your feeling bad about the victims you have the urge to apply for a credit card and go out and shop. But that's totally fine it seems to some.

I think it does make a difference. The amount of time depends on the nature and scope of the event, as well as how strongly that event continues to affect people emotionally and spiritually.

Actually if you feel like reading back a few pages I was the first to suggest that that TIME is the only difference between what is acceptable death to monetize and what is not.

 

[Duckinla]

Actually if you feel like reading back a few pages I was the first to suggest that that TIME is the only difference between what is acceptable death to monetize and what is not.

I think it's true, time is the only difference. Would anyone lash out today against Texasclocktowerkiller.com? I doubt it. The wounds have healed.

In Raidergirls defense, it is a little unfair to compare the media to a domain registration. Because the media is here every day, not just on days when there is a tragedy. However, My local paper wasted no time in going around town to change out the advertising on their newspaper dispensers. By Tuesday the Advertising said something like "Virginia Tech Killer: Get the details and pictures inside"

 

[Raider]

When the acceptable time comes to monetize or sell, the traffic and buyers will all be gone, sellers know this, they also know the best time to capitalize is on the first day of the tragedy, that's why these auctions went up on ebay in less than 4 hours after the shooting.

I'm never glad when somebody dies, but in this case I am glad the killer took his own life, if he didn't, the suffering would continue for these families years on end, much like the Oklahoma bombing. And the debate would continue on over the morality issue while owners of tragic domains reap the click revenue.

 

[Gerry]

But take another look at the link that Acroplex provided. Seems even CNN again, couldn't stop themselves from monetizing on the webpage with the list of victims. In fact they monetize every single page of every single victim listed with ads plastered on them.

SHARP POINT regarding the ads. Forego the dollar to pay homage or tribute. Very worthwhile point in that regard.

But in regards to CNN or any other major media like MSN, FOX, BBC, etc, let's not forget that they exist to report the news. That is their job, task, duty, and reason for being. They are serving a function.

Just found this decent article on many of the very issues we are talking about...the media, being responsible, domain names, and ebay. See, we are not the only ones trying to come to terms with this issue?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18203281/site/newsweek/

 

[typist]

Just found this decent article on many of the very issues we are talking about...

Very interesting.

Media companies such as The New York Times, The Washington Post (also owned by NEWSWEEK's parent company), MSNBC.com (a technology partner to NEWSWEEK), Minnesota Public Radio and others sponsored results to Google searches for the words “Virginia shooting.” It’s hardly rare for media companies to purchase key words in the hopes of driving more traffic to their sites, but some online observers felt uncomfortable given the context.

If it is - as doc com puts it - the medias job, task, duty, and reason for being to report the news, it certainly makes sense to make the news known. We all know how effecient adwords is, in connecting those who are looking for something, with those who are offering something, like news.

Now, if it was my job, task, duty, and reason for being to find ways to help connect bona fide seekers of information with bona fide providers of legitimate information, like news, wouldn't it make sense to register whichever domains get traffic, to allow the media to quickly spread the news, to fulfill their job, task, duty, and reason for being?

 

[Gerry]

Now, if it was my job, task, duty, and reason for being is finding ways to help connect bona fide seekers of information with bona fide providers of legitimate information, like news, wouldn't it make sense to register whichever domains get traffic, to allow the media to quickly spread the news, to fulfill their job, task, duty, and reason for being?

First, if it was your job...a whole new debate. Secondly,

to allow the media to quickly spread the news, to fulfill their job, task, duty, and reason for being

if you are regging a domain name for the sake of beating someone else to it, how is that facilitating allowing the media to "fulfill their job" or quickly spread the news? The media will quickly spread the news with or without your help in a much more efficient, effective, and rapid manner (when I say "you" this is not referencing you, per se).

If you are registering "whichever domains get traffic", are you helping or hindering the news media? Are you parking the domain or are you immediately putting a web site with live news feeds? If you are parking, you are sending the viewer to a parked page with perhaps irrelevant feeds or minimally several choices. In essence, you have stepped in between the message (news) and the receiver (me) by placing an divergence (you) disrupting the streamlined flow of communication (the message/news). {Good Lord, I can not believe I just dug out of my conscious a marketing and promotion lesson from 25 years ago}.

The theory and the principle is still the same even by todays standards. Effective communication is the flow of a message from a messanger to a reciever. Just as you reading this. If someone somehow was to jump in here right now while you are reading this, there is a disruption/distraction/detour preventing the rapid and streamlined flow of communication. Someone pointed out earlier the ads on a memorial page. That can be a distraction indeed. And if they are animated gif images (if I see one more dancing big butt chick or $300,000 loan for whatever per month...)

Your iPod. Music (message) + Messanger (iPod) + receiver (your ears)

The registering of Ismailax.com...did it facilitate (fulfill) getting the message out? Or did it hinder? It redirected the viewer to a NameDrive landing page that contained no content whatsoever on the meaning or the signifigance of the term. It clearly disrupted the flow of information and created a divergence away from the legitimate news providers. It did nothing to benefit anyone with the exception of the registrant. Even the landing page of the parked domain was not up to date to reflect the most relevant news at the time. The viewer had to sort through Virginia Tech news, alumni, generalized student loans and grants.

By parking this particula domain name, you have delayed the very process that you have just pointed out in relation to connecting the seekers with the informers. Therefore, you have defeated the purpose and the argument of connecting "bona fide seekers of information with bona fide providers of legitimate information" by redirecting the seekers away from the bona fide providers.

And I park the hell out of domains. But I am also not attempting to capitalize on sensationalism.

Man, thanks for making me dust the cobwebs off of that grey matter. I'll have to take a couple days off now!

 

[Raider]

From what I'm hearing on the news, News sources are going to drastically reduce using the killers name and images, for obvious reasons.

I'm confident they will follow through with it, but doubt domain owners using his name will do the same.

 

[Sarcle]

When the acceptable time comes to monetize or sell, the traffic and buyers will all be gone, sellers know this, they also know the best time to capitalize is on the first day of the tragedy, that's why these auctions went up on ebay in less than 4 hours after the shooting.

I'm never glad when somebody dies, but in this case I am glad the killer took his own life, if he didn't, the suffering would continue for these families years on end, much like the Oklahoma bombing. And the debate would continue on over the morality issue while owners of tragic domains reap the click revenue.

Actually I have to disagree again. This is the single largest, single day, killing spree since the "Clock Tower" incident. Even I know all about that incident right down to the rifle Whitman was using when we took pot shots at unsuspecting victims and this is WAY before my era. In fact, just checked, Cho is already on Whitman's biography on Wikipedia.

This will not be forgotten for a long long time.

First, if it was your job...a whole new debate.

I believe it can be anyone's job to write a story or script getting this person's background and life independent of the news media, be it a hobbyist that enjoys cataloging criminal behavior (and there are ton's of them) or someone that wants to tell their version of how a single story affected them and it's their right to do so and make money off of it at the same time. "The News" doesn't have "Carte Blanche" over everything and everyone.

And I park the hell out of domains. But I am also not attempting to capitalize on sensationalism

Nah, and neither does the news. :smilewinkgrin: When is that blurry line crossed? Between reporting and cashing in on the side of the media? It happens, but where is the line in the sand?

But in regards to CNN or any other major media like MSN, FOX, BBC, etc, let's not forget that they exist to report the news. That is their job, task, duty, and reason for being. They are serving a function.

I have no problem with this. NONE whatsoever. But what I have a problem with is if we are getting down on someone for serving "commercial" ads to capitalize on sensationalism then who has the greater power to do so? A domainer or the NEWS?

There is no reason why they on something such as terrible as this couldn't have replaced those ads with links to the schools donation, or other public services. But they didn't.

The registering of Ismailax.com...did it facilitate (fulfill) getting the message out? Or did it hinder? It redirected the viewer to a NameDrive landing page that contained no content whatsoever on the meaning or the signifigance of the term. It clearly disrupted the flow of information and created a divergence away from the legitimate news providers. It did nothing to benefit anyone with the exception of the registrant.

Again this is just speculation. What you say is true it did go to a parking page and still does resolve to parking servers. But who's to say that advertisers wont bring in more money for the victims fund than a link straight to the schools donation? When most of the surfers looking for this term are just trying to figure out what the hell it means. They already know the story that's why they know the term. And what he is going to do with that money is still just SPECULATION.

From what I'm hearing on the news, News sources are going to drastically reduce using the killers name and images, for obvious reasons.

It wouldn't or couldn't possibly be that they are catching flack for sensationalizing and profiteering off the greatest single day shooting since the '60's now would it?

 

[Gerry]

I believe it can be anyone's job

Was not done in this case.

When is that blurry line crossed?

Media did not reg this name.

But who's to say that advertisers wont bring in more money for the victims fund than a link straight to the schools donation?

Your point here is 100% speculation when the point of a redirect, irrelevant ads, and a waste of time to deliver the search term was fact, not speculation.

They already know the story that's why they know the term.

How did they know the story, from Bozo the domainer?

It wouldn't or couldn't possibly be that they are catching flack for sensationalizing and profiteering off the greatest single day shooting since the '60's now would it?

The reporting of news by a newsmedia is not sensationalizing the event as it happens and as it unfolds. MJ, OJ=Sensationalizing. Gregory Manriquez=sensationalizing. MI 1927, TX 1962, TX 1966, LA 1968, TN 1968.

And anyone can update Wikipedia. That is why it should not be considered 100% reliable and accurate. The fact that it already mentions Cho is no surprise at all.

Wikipedia is an ever evolving open source project. You should sign up and take advantage of this opportunity to publish. If you don't know how, ask for instructions on this forum. A member obviously knows how as they hijacked the .mobi page to post their anti-mobi manifesto.