LLLL.com buyout failed?

[Rubber Duck]

It was not my intention to turn this into an IDN thread.

But in view of the fact that you are spreading ridiculous propaganda relating to the way other nations cultures work, then it is fair to bring up a few of the pertinent facts.

The truth is LLLL.com were always bullshit. There was never going to be a big market in 4 letter acronyms because they get too specific. To then turn around and say that failure in the US will be somehow superseded with success in China is just BS.

WTF is your point?

I am well aware of what is coming. I am also well aware of everything that you mentioned and have been following this for years.

But that was never stated or mentioned by you nor was the topic of this thread or your question dealing with IDN.

Since when did most Chinese actually use the Latin Alphabet?

Since the damn gatekeepers of the internet said this is the way the internet is to be accessed.

What is about to change and about to happen is all well and good.

I am and many others are well aware of what is about to happen. Yet, that was not the question nor the point that you raised.

If you want to take this thread to another plateau by mentioning IDN and so on, then start another thread so those points can be addressed.

I was responding to a question, that you asked, regarding the Chinese actually using the Latin Alphabet. If you want to discuss the history of the internet and where it is going, then that is an entirely different matter.

So there is your answer to your question.

I used the article posted to further support the interest in Chinese learning English and yes, they learn the alphabet. There are nearly as many Chinese learning English as the entire population of the US. Another study showed a paltry 14,000 kids enrolled in a Chinese language program here in the US.

The personal story was a demonstration of how English and the Latin Alphabet is widely used by other nations.

I presumed if you pose a question you want an answer, an answer based on fact intermixed with a personal twist.

If the answer is not what you want to hear or read, then that's just too damn bad that the answer does not sit with you very well. I get your point of there may be less emphasis or need for Chinese to learn Latin characters in the future. Again, that is not what you asked or queried.

Now, allow me to further quote you by stating "Anyone who has another opinion just is not familiar with the facts."

 

[tzsxc]

is it just me or every thread with rubber duck eventually degenerates to IDNs?

 

[Rubber Duck]

is it just me or every thread with rubber duck eventually degenerates to IDNs?

No it is the American Cultural supremacy that is the problem.

So you guys go on exchange visits to Russia and encounter guys that want to learn English. Should you be surprised? Do you really believe that is a representative sample of the rest of the World.

Americans really pull my pisser. Bloomberg refers China as the World's third largest economy. Actually it is strictly fourth behind Japan if you measure everything at the official exchange rate not third behind America which is second. But if you look at things more objectively in the volume of goods being produced and traded America is already way behind China in many areas. The GDP concept is complete BS when it comes to measuring wealth creation and is preferred by a Federal Government that likes to pull the wool over the eyes of its people. I expect most of you actually believe that the economy is coming out of recession. Right? Have you got a shock coming!

 

[hugegrowth]

The Japanese and Koreans are still sending their kids over here, not used to.

I'm not an expert in China or other Asian countries, but I do see many people in non-English countries trying to learn english as a second language, especially those in mid to upper classes. And I don't see people in English speaking countries trying to learn Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc, as a second language on the same scale.

Schilling's point seems to be that english or ascii domains can be more easily used globally, whereas a Korean domain really only has use in Korea - so it is more useful for regional or country specific markets. It's not a question of one or the other being right, just what is your market and the best way to target it.

 

[Rubber Duck]

Ok, I am English. When exactly do I buy things on the Internet from a US site? OK, I used to get some stuff from Canada but only because it was not available in the UK. But basically the flaw to Schillings argument is that at consumer level the "Global Market" does not exist. OK, we have Walmart in the UK but it is called Asda!

The Global Market is a theoretical aggregation of Local Markets. If you want to be a successful global player you need to segment into Local Markets and be successful in each one. Don't believe me? Ask Google!

The Japanese and Koreans are still sending their kids over here, not used to.

I'm not an expert in China or other Asian countries, but I do see many people in non-English countries trying to learn english as a second language, especially those in mid to upper classes. And I don't see people in English speaking countries trying to learn Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc, as a second language on the same scale.

Schilling's point seems to be that english or ascii domains can be more easily used globally, whereas a Korean domain really only has use in Korea - so it is more useful for regional or country specific markets. It's not a question of one or the other being right, just what is your market and the best way to target it.

 

[Gerry]

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[skynic]

50 llllcoms left , since your posted
Wait and see

27 left........

 

[dominator]

the chinese has thousands of characters, so they usually have to use latin characters to enter their own characters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin_method

but chinese members could tell us more about it

other methods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_keyboard

 

[Rubber Duck]

the chinese has thousands of characters, so they usually have to use latin characters to enter their own characters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin_method

but chinese members could tell us more about it

other methods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_keyboard

Absolutely, but the Japanese do the same thing with their own Hirigana Alphabet.

The Chinese do input using Latin Keyboards, but probably because the original systems were designed by Americans. It is not clear whether this will endure as the primary system or not.

The point is, however, is almost none of the output is left in Latin characters. The over-riding exception is URLs and that is a to date a technological constraint. Every indication is that this will change immediately once Chinese IDN is inserted into the ICANN Root and the Chinese Government starts a major awareness campaign.

 

[dominator]

The Chinese do input using Latin Keyboards, but probably because the original systems were designed by Americans.

no, no, no

because their script is so complicated

you have not read it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_keyboard
there are more ways, they can choose
or do you think all were developed by americans?

quote from wikipedia:

Educated Chinese know about 4,000 characters

but they have even more characters

educated english, greek, russian knows only about 30 characters
what is 100%

a notebook (computer) obviously cannot have 1000 keys

 

[mibworld]

LLLL.coms might be bought out again today. At this moment there are only 25 left. More than 400 drops have been taken in the last 3 days. This is the list of the remaining names:

FTQV.COM
FVQD.COM
JQVX.COM
JVQK.COM
KQYV.COM
PQFV.COM
PVQU.COM
QGVO.COM
QMBV.COM
QMYV.COM
QXVG.COM
QZPV.COM
QZWV.COM
RPVQ.COM
TQVH.COM
UDXQ.COM
UQPG.COM
UQSJ.COM
UQWV.COM
UQZF.COM
UYQW.COM
VDQW.COM
VHQR.COM
VMGQ.COM
VWKQ.COM

 

[tetrapak]

Rubber Duck, English will surely remain the international language in the next decades, and for international Asian companies it doesn't make sense to use IDN's. So yes, these "cheap" LLLL.com's will be used in many cases, as they are already. Just go to the "other" forum to see plenty of low end sales, where the end user happened to be Chinese. I'm not too interested in the low end, simply because the ROI is small, these companies normally pay between $100-$500.

 

[Rubber Duck]

I am pretty familiar with this subject.

I actually own wubi.net in chinese characters.

A Wubi keyboard is slightly smaller than a Qwerty Keyboard, but can take up to 5 keystrokes to generate any of the 50K characters in the Chinese writing system. As there are generally only 1 to 2 characters per word, typing speeds of up to 160 characters per minute are achievable using a Wubi keyboard.

This inputting method, however, is new and has yet to be adopted as the most common inputting method. Only time will tell whether it displaces the well established Pin Yin inputting.

I don't think you will find many vast array type keyboards still in daily service.

My point was that if characters generated from Alphabetic input had been originally developed by the Japanese or Russian, it would not be Latin characters used for generating.

no, no, no

because their script is so complicated

you have not read it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_keyboard
there are more ways, they can choose
or do you think all were developed by americans?

quote from wikipedia:

but they have even more characters

educated english, greek, russian knows only about 30 characters
what is 100%

a notebook (computer) obviously cannot have 1000 keys

Rubber Duck, English will surely remain the international language in the next decades, and for international Asian companies it doesn't make sense to use IDN's. So yes, these "cheap" LLLL.com's will be used in many cases, as they are already. Just go to the "other" forum to see plenty of low end sales, where the end user happened to be Chinese. I'm not too interested in the low end, simply because the ROI is small, these companies normally pay between $100-$500.

Americans will starve if they think that everyone has to learn English to buy their products. Why do you think you have such a massive trade deficit. If I want to buy an American product I usually end up having to pay same price in pounds as you do in dollars. That not only makes me uninterested. It generates anti-American sentiment. Latest example is Student Version of Windows 7. To an American Student $30. To a British Student £30.

I don't go to the other forum, things are bad enough here at times without dealing with that bunch of dead beats.

 

[draggar]

Can we get back on topic please? The subject is about the LLLL.com buyout and whether or not it was a failure.

TY for your time - you can make a u-turn at the next light.

(Bah, pic didn't work).

 

[Rubber Duck]

Can we get back on topic please? The subject is about the LLLL.com buyout and whether or not it was a failure.

TY for your time - you can make a u-turn at the next light.

(Bah, pic didn't work).

No problem. I am done. I thought the discussion had been reduced to whether they had any potential in China, as it is pretty apparent there is not much appeal anywhere else.

 

[thejosh]

That is a longshot at best.

longshot? it's as likely as kicking a 110 yard field goal.

 

[Tim Schoon]

only 10 llll.coms are still available.

pvqu.com
qxvg.com
uqsj.com
qmyv.com
uqwv.com
qzpv.com
vwkq.com
jqvx.com
vdqw.com
vhqr.com

more big drops are coming tho..

 

[mibworld]

Update: All remaining LLLL.coms have been taken. The buyout is holding at this moment.

 

[draggar]

Update: All remaining LLLL.coms have been taken. The buyout is holding at this moment.

So the question is - if they keep dropping and people keep picking them up as they drop - is the buyout still a success or a failure? (Or both?).

I've picked up a few though drops (post-drop hand registration). No, I don't plan on going hog-wild like I did with the nnnnn.com buyout but I have been selective.

 

[mibworld]

Correction: I just checked and there are 10 still available. Sorry for my mistake.

JQVX.COM
PVQU.COM
QMYV.COM
QXVG.COM
QZPV.COM
UQSJ.COM
UQWV.COM
VDQW.COM
VHQR.COM
VWKQ.COM