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I'll take my dollar converting traffic from good 'ole U S of A and you can certainly have your 2 bit traffic from Southern Timbuktu. Don't forget who signs your checks...My guess is it's a U.S. based advertising company, i.e. Google, Yahoo, etc...
And if it's not, then I hope your IDN sales go very well because there will be no way other than selling or developing to support the returns on your investments.



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Lovely name for an ASCII legacy domainer!

Yes, sorry chaps, half the globe in the relevant languages sold out 6 months ago.

Check on Google.com/trends. You will find that nearly all city search is done from within, so if English isn't the Lingua Franca, they aren't worth two bits!
 

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financialtraffic said:
I'll take my dollar converting traffic from good 'ole U S of A and you can certainly have your 2 bit traffic from Southern Timbuktu. Don't forget who signs your checks...My guess is it's a U.S. based advertising company, i.e. Google, Yahoo, etc...
And if it's not, then I hope your IDN sales go very well because there will be no way other than selling or developing to support the returns on your investments.

Yes, and you maybe be sure that Google and Yahoo don't have their head stuck up their *sre. Selling is actually going reasonably well. I have had quite a few substantial sales in the last month, but traffic is the key. We now have two parking services that are presenting Japanese adverts to Japanese browsers. The same is true with Russian Ads to Russians and Arabic ads in Arabic. In the PRC there is an additional local service that is paying out to IDNers around the globe. The only fly in the ointment are the delays at Microsoft, but the Japanese and Arabic version of IE 7.0 are being downloaded in parallel to the Beta 2 programme over here. No, we are not yet making millions but our sales alone are getting close to six figures and once the traffic starts to flow properly the shutters will come down for good! If you are looking for a real mug IDNer to have a go at, you should pick on DCG, because he actually has a few more than we do.

It used to be really tough around this forum promoting IDNs, but lately all but the most short sighted domainers have realised that there is a big future. Many are getting involved and many of the rest wished that had the means or the will to do so. Those that are trying to trash the concept are quickly taking on the guise of the village idiot.

Oh, and when it comes to financing this, who exactly is underpinning the good old USA? If it weren't for money pouring in from the Far East and Middle East you would all be flat on your faces. The recent dollar crisis was only an indication that the party isn't going to last unless the US gets its act together and starts doing some serious exporting. That is going to prove difficult if all you can do is look down your noses at the rest of the World as though we are just a string of Banana Republics. The era of US dominance is over. The best you can hope for now is to keep up with emerging economic superpowers of Asia, and even that is going to require a serious change of attitude.
 

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I didn't say investments in IDNs should not be done at all, I just think your methods of putting a large bulk of your eggs into the IDN basket is a good way to get your eggs scrambled.

It's great if it works out for you and you'll deserve any reward you reap. I'm happy sticking with what I know best.
 

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financialtraffic said:
I didn't say investments in IDNs should not be done at all, I just think your methods of putting a large bulk of your eggs into the IDN basket is a good way to get your eggs scrambled.

It's great if it works out for you and you'll deserve any reward you reap. I'm happy sticking with what I know best.

Well, the way I see it you have all your eggs in one market. We are invested in more than 20 different languages that account for more than 50% of the World's population. Furhermore you have restricted your investments to a maturing market with limited upside potential. Some would even argue that it is already over priced. By contrast we are investing in the worlds most dynamic economies. If diversification is the watch word then you really have no excuse.
 

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only thing i dont like about IDNs (i have a dozen or so) is I lose track of the meanings of each, gets a little annoying to have to go back and check the definition and then have someone tell you thats its wrong.
 

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When you pick stocks do you pick all of those which are low priced, just because they are low priced and not yet discovered? You may think you're getting a bargain but you're really getting a lot less for a whole lot more risk when you compare it up to a company that is already well established and churning some good cash.

The same applies when comparing IDNs to .COMs.

You buy things based on both their immediate potential for return and also their long-term potential for return.

You are assuming a great deal of risk whether your like to think so or not. And to some level, we all are assuming some risk. But your model is even more dependent on "ifs" and "whens". If you're so completely positive about your position in IDNs then I would say you're making a mistake. I fail to be completely devoted to any one investment method.
 

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Sold to "MaltaDomains.com"
 

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It's a shame this thread turned into an IDN war.

- Rob
 

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Ironic you mention something like that.

If more people were busy discussing things there would actually be a lot less war.
 

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Please keep buying up all of those IDNs. I love your reasoning because it cannot be challenged.....everything is going to happen at a later date.

Here is why I cannot justify ten cents of IDN investment: If you are already making a killing in dotcoms then why get cute? And if you haven't made a killing in dotcoms then what makes you think you are so sharp?

I guess IDNs are no different than the regular dotcom investor though. It seems that 99 percent of the people are lost and run away from the great names like they might catch a disease.

Anyone who thinks that the domain name business is a mature industry needs a reality check. For practical purposes the Internet really didn't get started until 1995 and you could function in business/life without it until 2000 and 2001.

We are only a few years into PPC, and over 90 percent of the people are chasing that dream with low-level names that don't get any traffic anyway. They could make 50 times their PPC amount each month just buying and selling decent names. "What's the traffic?" "What's the traffic?"...notice that traffic stats are never mentioned on the six-figure sales and other great names. No end-users ever ask about it.

The names that are the cream of the crop are still available for tens of thousands of dollars...occasionally less. If you don't pick a few up you will be looking back and wondering how you could have missed it in 2006.

You are seeing a bunch of six-figure sales for names like Blue, Brown, Macau, and many others. The next level will have lots of million dollar sales and that will be the end of that. If you think you are priced-out now you are going to be further left in the dust real soon.
 

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Couldnt agree more.. We have picked up names for 5-10K in the last few years which i wouldnt sell for less than 4-500K already.. i can only imagine down the track a few years.

PPC means nothing to me.. never will, we run our own portals and dont rely on one click wonders, i do send a very small portion of names to such things.. but the truly valuable names will never go anywhere near these services.

The valuation model of ppx x however many years is flawed and doesnt work when talking about million + names.
 

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IT Web Team said:
I was amazed to find out on an italian airport that italians re-named "Munchen" aka Munich, to ..."Monaco" ...

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yes Munchen in Italian is "Monaco di Baviera" not just Monaco, to difference it from Monaco ( Montecarlo ).

I was surprised to see my Roma converted in Rome or Firenze in Florence, or Venezia in Venice.....and so on ... it`s just normal, English rules, has the power to convert other country`s names or other cities`s names while for example, in Italian Chigago is still Chigago, Los Angles is still Los Angeles and so on.
 

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I was the buyer. I am very happy with the deal and, as many people have noted in this thread, the appeal of this domain is mostly European as Malta is a popular holiday destination for this area receiving around a million tourists per year. That aside though it also has a local population of around 400,000 people and development will be on two fronts - tourist information for outside visitors and a local portal for the people on the islands.
 

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RobM said:
I was the buyer. I am very happy with the deal and, as many people have noted in this thread, the appeal of this domain is mostly European as Malta is a popular holiday destination for this area receiving around a million tourists per year. That aside though it also has a local population of around 400,000 people and development will be on two fronts - tourist information for outside visitors and a local portal for the people on the islands.


congratulations!!!
 

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italiandragon said:
yes Munchen in Italian is "Monaco di Baviera" not just Monaco, to difference it from Monaco ( Montecarlo ).

I was surprised to see my Roma converted in Rome or Firenze in Florence, or Venezia in Venice.....and so on ... it`s just normal, English rules, has the power to convert other country`s names or other cities`s names while for example, in Italian Chigago is still Chigago, Los Angles is still Los Angeles and so on.

Yes, but which is a locally based business going to want:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=Roma,+Rome

And the picture doesn't change when you move to local scripts.

Which is worth more a local consentration of customers or people browsing out of curiosity from half-way around the globe. Sure if you can convert that traffic into flights and hotels then fine, but my guess is the local traffic is actually the more valuable.

Malta.com is a fine name, because that is how the locals spell it as well as the English Visitors. Given the choice between this and say Cairo in Arabic, however, I know which I would go for and which has the greatest commercial potential.

Yes, the English have been incredibly arrrogant when it comes to changing the names of places, but history has show that none of these places ever adopt the English Version long-term and that the English eventually revert to the local version. I mean how often do you hear Lyons being called Lions these days. Bombay is falling into disuse. Peking, where is that?

financialtraffic said:
When you pick stocks do you pick all of those which are low priced, just because they are low priced and not yet discovered? You may think you're getting a bargain but you're really getting a lot less for a whole lot more risk when you compare it up to a company that is already well established and churning some good cash.

The same applies when comparing IDNs to .COMs.

You buy things based on both their immediate potential for return and also their long-term potential for return.

You are assuming a great deal of risk whether your like to think so or not. And to some level, we all are assuming some risk. But your model is even more dependent on "ifs" and "whens". If you're so completely positive about your position in IDNs then I would say you're making a mistake. I fail to be completely devoted to any one investment method.

It is not so much about being cheap as ROI. I have turned out a couple of domains his year at $10K each, as well as a whole pile at four figure sums. Both of these where acquired in the previous six months for only $8. Work out the ROI for yourself, it disappears off the chart compared with what people are making in ASCII domains.

In most situations, risk is proportional to reward, but not always. If you have knowledge that enables you to jump in earlier than the rest of the field, who either don't have those facts or are unable to interpret them properly, that picture would be greatly distorted.

I started life in domaining picking up drops, but I pulled out because the rewards were no longer commensurate with the risk. I am not saying you cannot make money in ASCII, but I wouldn't say that it isn't low risk. When you look at the rewards you are making, compared with IDN, I would suggest that at this moment in time, it is comparatively very risky indeed.

Unfortunately, you are not currently getting a full picture of what is going on here. Because of the resistance to IDN, it was necessary to set up entirely new venues, which is where most of the action is going down. Just because it is not happening at DNFs, it doesn't mean that is not happening. I personally would love to see a much more vibrant market on this Forum, but the bottom line is, that at the moment most of the action is going on elsewhere.

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only thing i dont like about IDNs (i have a dozen or so) is I lose track of the meanings of each, gets a little annoying to have to go back and check the definition and then have someone tell you thats its wrong.

Well if you have thousands, the answer is to keep the translation in a database. I am sure most professional domainers run some kind of separate database of their own anyway.

Yes, some Chinese IDNers are clearly demonstrating that being Chinese is an advantage, but not as big an advantage as being first!

Frankly, I am baffled at why so many are put off by foriegn languages as most of the stuff that comes up for appraisal on here closely resembles Double Dutch anyway.
 

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Rubber Duck said:
Malta.com is a fine name, because that is how the locals spell it as well as the English Visitors.

wait a minute, you got me wrong, when I said it was spelled MALTO in Italian, I meant the stuff to make beer, not the Country! We do too spell Malta for that Country in Italy.
 

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italiandragon said:
wait a minute, you got me wrong, when I said it was spelled MALTO in Italian, I meant the stuff to make beer, not the Country! We do too spell Malta for that Country in Italy.

My mistake and that is significant, because if you are going by sea, it would almost certainly be from Italy, which of course why it was so strategic in WWII. Germans had to sail past it to get to resupply their Afrika Corp.
 

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You can never understand an end user.....

pinklight.com went for 14.5 K
 

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kiviniar said:
You can never understand an end user.....

pinklight.com went for 14.5 K

No, but you have to admire the seller. If I had a potential buyer for that name, I would have kept the asking below $1K for fear of losing them. God knows when another buyer would have shown up!
 

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I guess it was his lucky day......i myself am holding on to mine even though have found a lot of critics ;-)

By the way all the color lights have been registered....

Nice to see you rubber duck
 
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