For Sale Next Reg Rights and Snap Names

[NexSite]

Ok. This happened twice today. I found two names that may expire in november. Neither had a snap or a next reg rights subscription. I placed a snap that I had available on the first one and boom, the next reg rights slot was allocated and unavailable almost instantly. Now , this afternoon, Ifound a second name expiring in november. The snap and next reg rights slot were both available, but since I didn't have a snap available and don't want to buy anymore, I tried next reg rights for the first time. Boom. The snap was also gone instantly the minute I took the nex reg slot. I am now convinced that these are tied together some way, that snapnames will attempt to use my current snaps to allocate the nexreg slots for those names I have snaps on, and that when a name is placed in the next reg slot, the snap is taken. I recall some discussion months ago by snapnames stating that they would attempt to get the wls rights for thier snap holders. I am convinced this is happening but don't see much discussion about it. Your comments and experiences regarding these are welcome.

 

[Digital Address]

You're absolutely right! Checked a bunch of my snaps and they were unavailable on NRR; checked a bunch of my NRRs and they were unavailable on snapnames! Guess the snaps are going to be grandfathered into the NRR. But why pay $69. or $43.95 now for a name dropping in the future if you can buy an NRR for $39.? This is a rhetorical question: The one unsettling point about NRR @ $39. is maybe the possibility of a legal "stay" preventing the implementation in October! Then what would we do?

 

[NexSite]

yea, I thought about that. VeriSlime will just probable cease to let names drop during the stay, or something stupid like that if they can. I have an even more serious question. WHy is the guy that used to run snapnames, who now runs pool, happens to be the guy who is suing verisign over wls, and he went to canada to conduct business. Something reeks of this whole scenerio. Go to Canada, run a business that competes against all the people that you already took money from at snapnames? Then, sue to stop the only chance they have at getting any kind of return for their snaps. In my opinion, this guys a rea Mother **cker to all of us domainers. Plays both sides of the coin, and hops the border. Imsure there are people that know a lot more about it than me, as I have only read tidbits, but it sure looks like a scam Do I smell class action. Oh, tha's right, he's in canada, and we knew we couldn't get refunds from the onset. ICANN is the biggest joke on the planet to sit back and watch all this unfold. Congress will prove to be an even bigger joke and let the idiots continue to destroy the domain name system.

 

[clemzonguy]

WLS is being put in place to protect the integrity of the domain system. It's like calculus where a function approaches infinity (WLS). It was bound to happen sooner or later at some point in the future. The only other option is a lottery system but who wants to play that game when we're talking maybe a few domains people may go after. And the POOL.com system is terrible and they get all the money and resell value upfront (and more). The whole first one into the registry's days are over. It was fun while it lasted.....hold on to the domains you have.

 

[Dominion]

Originally posted by NexSite
Ok. This happened twice today. I found two names that may expire in november. Neither had a snap or a next reg rights subscription. I placed a snap that I had available on the first one and boom, the next reg rights slot was allocated and unavailable almost instantly. Now , this afternoon....

nextregistrationrights is using Snapnames backend, and obviously the same database. Try the URL
https://www.nextregistrationrights.com/search_results.jsp and you will see an error page (because you never got there by entering a domain on the correct page) that has Snapnames all over it.

 

[Luc]

I already mentioned in a thread a few days ago that
NextGenRights is pretty much a SnapNames reseller now.

They run off the SnapNames database and have to do the same
security graphics as all resellers.

They also have the same disclaimer as SnapNames in regards
to picking WLS slots, they will TRY to get them using your
subscription, but they can't guarantee jack.



Every domain with a snap will be taken under NextGenRights.

 

[URLCollection]

Originally posted by NexSite
yea, I thought about that. VeriSlime will just probable cease to let names drop during the stay, or something stupid like that if they can. I have an even more serious question. WHy is the guy that used to run snapnames, who now runs pool, happens to be the guy who is suing verisign over wls, and he went to canada to conduct business. Something reeks of this whole scenerio. Go to Canada, run a business that competes against all the people that you already took money from at snapnames? Then, sue to stop the only chance they have at getting any kind of return for their snaps. In my opinion, this guys a rea Mother **cker to all of us domainers. Plays both sides of the coin, and hops the border. Imsure there are people that know a lot more about it than me, as I have only read tidbits, but it sure looks like a scam Do I smell class action. Oh, tha's right, he's in canada, and we knew we couldn't get refunds from the onset. ICANN is the biggest joke on the planet to sit back and watch all this unfold. Congress will prove to be an even bigger joke and let the idiots continue to destroy the domain name system.

This is very interesting - We have had our share of troubles at POOL recently, as well. Names that were not backordered by us - charged and put into our account and then they told us - Too bad as they are yours now!!! - It appears that Pool will be a very short lived business model with WLS right around the corner, I believe ( just my 2 1/2 cents worth).

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by URLCollection


This is very interesting - We have had our share of troubles at POOL recently, as well. Names that were not backordered by us - charged and put into our account and then they told us - Too bad as they are yours now!!! - It appears that Pool will be a very short lived business model with WLS right around the corner, I believe ( just my 2 1/2 cents worth).

Several of us had that same problem at Pool and aired it in a thread a few weeks ago Steve. Guess they never fixed it nor have any interest in doing so.

 

[URLCollection]

Hi Duke - I read that a while back and at the time we were doing fine with Pool. Just recently we had a few problems and their response was just keep the domains? We will see how it rolls out - Hope you are well - Happy Belated BD - Sorry I missed it as I just read about it today - Steve

 

[Customb]

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[Luc]

uhh, did you bother to read this on their main page:

"There is no guarantee that pre-orders will result in obtaining a Next Registration Rights subscription. When the service "goes live", if your credit card is valid at that time, your order will be submitted to the VeriSign registry on a first come first served basis"

So, in other words, you're paying for a SNAPBACK subscription
and they will ATTEMPT to obtain a WLS slot when the system
goes live.

There is NO guarantee as to whether they will get it, but if they
do get the WLS slot and if the names DOES drop and IF WLS
is LIVE then you WILL get the name.

Lots of IFS.

Luc L.

 

[NexSite]

Ok. So tell me though. Is SnapNames going after these WLS subscriptions on snap holders behalf? Is that why we see when a snap is taken , so is the WLS slot at Netsol, and when the Netsol WLS slot is taken, so is the SnapNames snap? Also, Im beginning to wonder if NRR IS WLS, or a snap attempt on wls. In other words. Will other registrars start selling snap, or NRR attempts for the same names the netsol is selling them for. I mean, if this is the case, we are back to the snapnames model again, only with more players. It looks like the same game with a different face, only that this time verisign gets MORE money from EVERY name re-registered. Will we still have to use many different sources to try and win a NRR slot? Other Registrars will surely be able to compete for these WLS slots. Whats to stop them from winning slots for names and auctioning them off?

Lof of questions for sure.

 

[clemzonguy]

But the question is are you still charged on your credit card if they do not obtain the WLS slot?? This is the sentence that keeps confusing me.

"If Network Solutions secures the domain name you
want when the service becomes available, your credit card
will be charged $39."

Does secure mean.... getting the WLS slot or....

Does securing the domain mean getting the pre-WLS slot?

 

[Togoodhlth]

When I first read the email i thought it meant that they will only bill your card "IF" they get the domain but after reading the site I am pretty sure they bill your card if they get the WLS slot for the name.

 

[Steen]

This is how I cuaght it:


You are billed the snap from NRR than IF they get the WLS slot when/if WLS goes live they charge you again...

hmm

 

[clemzonguy]

Well how about someone who has actually used NRR tell us if you were billed immediately on your credit card for the $39??

 

[URLCollection]

Originally posted by clemzonguy
Well how about someone who has actually used NRR tell us if you were billed immediately on your credit card for the $39??

Yes you are billed at once - Steve

 

[cyphix]

Originally posted by URLCollection
Yes you are billed at once - Steve

I didn't notice any immediate billing...... I haven't noticed anything on my CC statement yet... it may have been slightly delayed billing... dunno yet.

 

[clemzonguy]

So then "the service" and "securing the domain" only refer to the pre-WLS slots and have nothing to do with the WLS.

Will you then be billed once again for the WLS?? If so how much?

 

[URLCollection]

Originally posted by cyphix


I didn't notice any immediate billing...... I haven't noticed anything on my CC statement yet... it may have been slightly delayed billing... dunno yet.

I do not handle the credit cards or accounting in our company but I was told that every one I order - that we are charged for - How else could they prevent fraud on the orders? What maybe bill you 3-9 months later and hope that the old credit card still works? That is why they give you 3 exchanges for the year - same concept as snap, I think.