On Frank Schilling and The End of Domaining

[adonivideo]

frank who?

he's banned on google, none of his typeins are page one for any major term

he doesn't own one high value cpc term IMO

the ones that go for 50 to 150 a click now

and you don't find the real cpc rates in blogs by guys that don't really manage high value cpc sem budgets

franks a joke IMO

there's not 300K domains worth owning

and there's still open reg fees domains you can amass on high value clicks if you know how to do it

they're not typeins but they're domains professionals will pay you THOUSANDS a month to use to run their sem/seo on and make their phones ring

so what the guy has low grade cpc type in terms

he's not anything

he's making relatively minor income off a bunch of garbage that yahoo thinks is worth networking with him on

not one of his typeins is page one google, he's basically banned for the crap he does

he owns a ton of worthless domains IMO

he has NOTHING in any major cpc field

where's his insurance geos and his top 10 cities lawyer and attorney domains and his legal terms .com

oh he has none

domaining isn't dead

you need to do a combo with domaining

development

domain development is the game

and frank doesn't do it

and the few gurus in that are turning minor asset valued keywords into huge money makers with residual income

and typeins have nothing to do with it

franks days are over

typeins are NOTHING, unless they're a high valued cpc term

you make money off obscure terms that professionals pay to get traffic on

and owning them means you can develop for professionals their keywords and split the money with google

I get tired of reading about frank this and that

he's nobody really

so what he owns a bunch of crap and nothing is first view of google and no lawyers or doctors are paying him thousands a month to use ONE NAME

I got names that cost me reg fees not long ago and now they're developed and making THOUSANDS per month

yet everyone is bowing at franks altar

LOL

yeah 300K garbage typeins with most getting no major traffic

a bunch of garbage

banned on google

and his income stream is MINOR compared to companies doing high end development

 

[Infoproliferati]

Frank may not be developing but rest assured he has a good number of killer premium typeins in english and other languages. I think we can all agree that in our quest to determine whether a domain is parked or developed we've often ended on one of his parked pages. And we didn't get there through the search engines either.

He is an industry player and can't be discounted otherwise. Clearly, Frank isn't interested in developing. And that's his call.

 

[Tia Wood]

frank who?....

....franks a joke IMO....

....he's not anything....

....franks days are over....

....he's nobody really....

....yet everyone is bowing at franks altar....

Do I detect penis envy? :lol:

 

[Gerry]

frank who?

I understand how you feel.

That's the sentiment many of us have towards adonivideo.

 

[adonivideo]

after google ponies up 5B in stock and cash for my portfolio and business model and cash flow

I'll compare penises any time with frank

I'd rather own a few thousand domains all being 20.00 to 120.00 cpc terms and have paying clients on them paying thousands a month to use each name than all the type ins in the world

development is the key, you can rake in huge scores on one domain, if it's a a decent name with a proven business model and clients on it

my business model is simple, own the high value cpc terms that aren't necessarily 'type ins' and develop and lease to end users with bundled services like sem management

so I take domains that most would say aren't worth reg fees and due to development clients pay thousands a month to use them

end result

they get a ton of clients from no type in high value cpc terms

LOL

and right now I'd put up my cash flow to frank any day

and I don't need 300K type ins to make money on line

there's only a small amount of core high value cpc terms period

you buy niche markets in those industries and geos and even do new reg's on some

so the whole domain name thing is far from over

gone are the type in days

gone are owning 10K or 100K domains

you get clients PAYING thousands a month for keywords that make leads with sem management and some minor organic seo like maps

what cash flow would you rather have

3K professionals doctors, lawyers, dentists, realtors and auto guys paying you THOUSANDS a month, or a bunch of low volume terms that get minor cpc from ONLY YAHOO

google booted frank, end of subject, he has ZERO pages for any significant cpc term on google, ZERO in first view, and his cash cow is yahoo and now that gates is involved sooner or later he'll realize, wow we throw a lot of money at schilling a year, is his clicks legit?

they detect any minor fraud on his domains he's GONE, he won't have any revenue

so ZERO revenue at google and all yahoo/bing has to do is see any fraud on his names

bingo, they cut him off at the knees

what's his biz model?

he has one revenue stream, yahoo

he has no clients

he owns garbage

a lot of garbage

but garbage

like I said FRANK WHO

 

[A D]

gone are owning 10K or 100K domains

That's true, these days are ending. Everyone is trimming their portfolios these days.

It is much better to own a few hundred great domains with potential than 100k+ with no development stategy.

-=DCG=-

 

[David G]

That's true, these days are ending. Everyone is trimming their portfolios these days.

It is much better to own a few hundred great domains with potential than 100k+ with no development stategy.

-=DCG=-

But the question is how do you define the best ones and what metrics do you use so you can trim your portfolio to a more reasonable size?

I hate dropping names because no matter how low the natural traffic may be (even zero) it seems like whenever I drop them they are invariably picked up on the drop by places like buydomains.com (who I think still has almost a million names) so I always wonder why they see value in the name?

 

[CamMK27]

But the question is how do you define the best ones and what metrics do you use so you can trim your portfolio to a more reasonable size?

I hate dropping names because no matter how low the natural traffic may be (even zero) it seems like whenever I drop them they are invariably picked up on the drop by places like buydomains.com (who I think still has almost a million names) so I always wonder why they see value in the name?

I agree with you David. I have dropped many names because in the appraisal sections either no one replied or said they were crappy and now I see 90% of my dropped domains picked up at the drop and are on sale for at least 4 figures.

One domain that was picked up by BuyDomains was

AccountantsAndLawyers.com and no one even wanted to pay me $20 for it while buy domains has on sale for $2888 as a premium domain.

Other 2 examples are,

BridalCheap.com $1495

DrillBeads.com $1995

Both and many others picked up by Huge Domains.. There are hundreds I have seen that are even on auction by godaddy and no one even wanted to pay $20 at the forums. So basically it makes me sick to the stomach sometimes and makes me just want to take a break from domaining or even quit completely and focus on just other stuff. I would have turned my money into 5 times more than the initial capital, if I had invested it in silver or gold instead of domains when I got started.. But makes me mad that I basically pissed it away.

Believe me there are hundreds of domains that have been picked up and are on sale as premium domains by hugedomains, buydomains, godaddy and even individual domainers. It is just sick.

 

[randomo]

Believe me there are hundreds of domains that have been picked up and are on sale as premium domains by hugedomains, buydomains, godaddy and even individual domainers. It is just sick.

You still may be making the right moves. Drop catchers can offer domains (that used to be yours) at whatever price they want. That doesn't mean anyone will ever buy them!

 

[David G]

Yes, it's a real mystery. If a name has no natural typein traffic, earns zero dollars a year on ppc & no other extensions are taken (meaning sales to oher tld's are not an option) why do places like buydomains.com want to spend money and time picking them up on the drop. How in the world do they see value?

I agree with you David. I have dropped many names because in the appraisal sections either no one replied or said they were crappy and now I see 90% of my dropped domains picked up at the drop and are on sale for at least 4 figures.

Believe me there are hundreds of domains that have been picked up and are on sale as premium domains by hugedomains, buydomains, godaddy and even individual domainers. It is just sick.

 

[adonivideo]

I've sold domains for clients for many years, I've never sold one of my own portfolio, traded some

The reason, I know what I have always invested in has great value for end users if I even do minor development.

So I hold many thousands of keywords, most are geo .com's

Almost everyone is a term a professional or business pays 10 to 150 bucks CPC for every term now

Years ago the cpc was nothing

I kept saying ONE DAY when local businesses realize, they NEED this stuff to dominate google, it will all turn into gold

Now I get offers all the time, businesses email me

I see your domain goes to a blank page

Do you want to sell

I say NO it's not for sale

Then I say

You see the same type of domain is #1 at google and developed

So you want me to develop that name for you

it's X a month and I own it forever

you become a tenant

so they sometimes become a tenant

LOL

never sell

long term residual income is THE ONLY GAME

and frank schilling has no clue as to how to play that game

and in this forum I seem to be the only one playing it too

so look at your portfolio

will a national company or a local company pay monthly if it was #1 at google

yes or no?

if yes

then how much

then you either learn to develop or pay a developer to stick it on page 1 if not #1

now you got a rental property

and all good domains are easily rented IF it's page one

then you offer sem management and now the tenant is paying google to do what

ADVERTISE YOUR ASSET DAILY

LOL

all the tenant cares about is DOES THIS MAKE MY PHONE RING

if you can ring the phones from a domain name it's worth a lot

so sell nothing that is worth developing

the rest

drop them

drop them all

focus on what a business already pays google for clicks on

 

[David G]

Real interesting post and sounds like a unique and excellent idea. Can you expand on it? Thanks.

Then I say

You see the same type of domain is #1 at google and developed

So you want me to develop that name for you

it's X a month and I own it forever

you become a tenant

so they sometimes become a tenant

LOL

never sell

long term residual income is THE ONLY GAME

 

[jasdon11]

I've sold domains for clients for many years, I've never sold one of my own portfolio, traded some

The reason, I know what I have always invested in has great value for end users if I even do minor development.

So I hold many thousands of keywords, most are geo .com's

Almost everyone is a term a professional or business pays 10 to 150 bucks CPC for every term now

Years ago the cpc was nothing

I kept saying ONE DAY when local businesses realize, they NEED this stuff to dominate google, it will all turn into gold

Now I get offers all the time, businesses email me

I see your domain goes to a blank page

Do you want to sell

I say NO it's not for sale

Then I say

You see the same type of domain is #1 at google and developed

So you want me to develop that name for you

it's X a month and I own it forever

you become a tenant

so they sometimes become a tenant

LOL

never sell

long term residual income is THE ONLY GAME

and frank schilling has no clue as to how to play that game

and in this forum I seem to be the only one playing it too

so look at your portfolio

will a national company or a local company pay monthly if it was #1 at google

yes or no?

if yes

then how much

then you either learn to develop or pay a developer to stick it on page 1 if not #1

now you got a rental property

and all good domains are easily rented IF it's page one

then you offer sem management and now the tenant is paying google to do what

ADVERTISE YOUR ASSET DAILY

LOL

all the tenant cares about is DOES THIS MAKE MY PHONE RING

if you can ring the phones from a domain name it's worth a lot

so sell nothing that is worth developing

the rest

drop them

drop them all

focus on what a business already pays google for clicks on

Comparing your business model with FS's is like comparing tennis with golf.

How scalable is your model? How sustainable? How many plates can you keep spinning before you start to hear the sound of crashing?

 

[David G]

I think that business model makes a lot of sense (if it can be implemented successfully) vs flipping domains and getting a one-time only infusion of cash.

Comparing your business model with FS's is like comparing tennis with golf.

How scalable is your model? How sustainable? How many plates can you keep spinning before you start to hear the sound of crashing?

 

[jasdon11]

I think that business model makes a lot of sense (if it can be implemented successfully) vs flipping domains and getting a one-time only infusion of cash.

Sentences such as this one;

then you either learn to develop or pay a developer to stick it on page 1 if not #1

make me doubt the authenticity of the project, and whether this is an actual ongoing business, or just a business model that has yet to come to fruition.

 

[adonivideo]

and how many 'client's do you have to see #1 on google with my name on their site to know it's real?
LOL
and that info isn't for public consumption
I buy domains cheap here
that's about it
so while I'm checking my PM's for stuff people want to dump for development
I post around a bit
mostly for shit and giggles
showing everyone their tin gods SCHilling and SCHwartz own SCHlock

 

[jasdon11]

and how many 'client's do you have to see #1 on google with my name on their site to know it's real?
LOL
and that info isn't for public consumption
I buy domains cheap here
that's about it
so while I'm checking my PM's for stuff people want to dump for development
I post around a bit
mostly for shit and giggles
showing everyone their tin gods SCHilling and SCHwartz own SCHlock

Clients? I thought this cash cow you describe was for your own benefit. Now I'm even more dubious - actually, I'm not dubious anymore.

 

[adonivideo]

our model is a reality
we OWN all the domains
our 'clients' are professionals
we hit page one and we get monthly residual
google gets a ton in ppc fees
we manage ppc
we stick maps and content
we provide the content that make our clients get up to 50% response ratios
one industry gets almost a 100% response ratio
so developing keywords is the model
revenue streams are
a. domain name use in monthly rent
b. content use in monthly rent
c. map seo in monthly rent
d. organic seo in monthly rent
e. seo links in monthly rent
f. sem management in huge %
so six residual revenue streams compared to one time domainer sale to end user
LOL
which model you like
blowing a domain for a one time score
or getting monthly residual
now geokeywords you get one client on
root keywords you subdomain out and can have 100's of clients on, we estimate a fully developed keyword can have around 300 subdomains for most root professional keywords
the thing works ONLY if you have a 1M+ IT staff to hit what you need to hit

IT Team
seo guru (250K+ yr)
sem guru (250K+ yr)
coders (50K yr)
creative content director (100K yr)
HD Video Editors (75k yr)
support staff (200K yr)

so you have domains and the dream team of IT pros to do this type of stuff

you can 'compete'

LOL

 

[dvdrip]

Adoni, no offence, but use some punctuation. I can't read your post.

 

[Gerry]

Clients?

Since when does god have clients?