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I agree the two are in on it in some form.
This comment was made a good while after attilo anounced he was buying the domain. The way I read this post is the money hasn't been sent by opencg. Anyone else see this?

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the guy called me yesterday nite he wanted me to western union him the cash and he said he would change ownership first so i thought maye it would be cool to do biz with him but now what i hear makes wonder! i even placed a bid on ebay i saw the name there.
 

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Originally posted by opencg
please go watch the x-files this is real money here!

If it was real money you would not have made the deal.
 

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Yeah he also states he willnot send the money first in his pm
 

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Andthe question to produce a screenshot of the payment has been asked about 50 times to no avail
 

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Not to mention that it is odd that domainp is not concerned that "his friend" sold him a stolen domain!!
 

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Originally posted by Togoodhlth
Andthe question to produce a screenshot of the payment has been asked about 50 times to no avail

yes ive noticed that too
we have no proof a payment was sent
and he will need this if the courts get involved


also the original owner isnt here
but i know some people have lives off the computer and it hasnt even been a whole day yet
 

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Originally posted by winfreecash
Not to mention that it is odd that domainp is not concerned that "his friend" sold him a stolen domain!!

LOL, I know. I would be ripping my friend a new a$$ if he got me into this mess.

So the name was transferred to russia as part of the scam? The guy in russia splits the loot with wan. That's my theory although I could be off base but it makes complete sense as we havent seen the receipt which domainp was going to produce for us.

Hmmm that seems to be a common denominator here. No bill of sale or receipt.
 

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Didn't Allen say in a very early post that he would not be back here til 1:15 AM??
 

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> my address is and number 917-981-0779
> Robert Manley Beasley
> 82 Dwight st 14a
> Brooklyn NY 11231

What would you like on your pizzas, opencg?

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On a more serious note, this thread is being observed by several Web and print journalists and is certain to be the subject of at least one news feature.

Govern yourselves accordingly.

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who makes his primary living dealing with journalists.
 

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Just a note i contacted WHT and they said unless there is a court order they will not be releasing info on ewan ( the friend who bounced the echeck)

as per there privacy policy
Privacy Policy: We will not release any member information unless under court order to do so.
 

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I will save payment for the court the question is? attlilio is milking my domain right now holding property for free hmmm now let me see? how should he be bought to justice because he is basically on 1 count of stealing from domainp breaching agreement and on 2nd count of not transfering the domain back to doaminp or giving it to to the buyer or on 3rd count for taking the law into his own hands 4th there will be alot of apologies in the future here!
 

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Originally posted by DotLeader


yes ive noticed that too
we have no proof a payment was sent
and he will need this if the courts get involved


also the original owner isnt here
but i know some people have lives off the computer and it hasnt even been a whole day yet


As Winfreecash said Allen will be back some time shortly after 1 am.

I could really use a beer right now. Better yet a shot of cuervo!
 

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Unreal. The person who sold me Act.com sold it to two people at the same time and we didn't have this much dialog - why? We had receipts, time stamps on email - phone calls, so there was no real issue. The resolution turned out be a lucrative partnership in our case - but the bottom line was, if you are legit, the situation can be resolved and waiting for a short time to resolve it correctly is worth it.

Screaming and threatening to kill people or send the "family in the business" after people is just so assinine. It will do nothing but ruin your reputation.

Get over it.
 

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Originally posted by GiantDomains


Different IP.

Check if the IP is listed on openproxies.com or other open proxy source. :)
 

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Originally posted by opencg
I will save payment for the court the question is? attlilio is milking my domain right now holding property for free hmmm now let me see? how should he be bought to justice because he is basically on 1 count of stealing from domainp breaching agreement and on 2nd count of not transfering the domain back to doaminp or giving it to to the buyer or on 3rd count for taking the law into his own hands 4th there will be alot of apologies in the future here!

I think you are again confused. Can we please see your proof of purchase?
 

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Attillo I wouldn't do a thing until you have legal representation. There is NO urgency here which would demand that you act without caution. You must take into consideration the risks to you FIRST. Sit back and enjoy the show for a bit, you're fine.

Opencg, you can only look to DomainP to return your money. He broke his contract with you, promising to have Attillo deliver the name. You have no beef with Attillo. Why aren't you asking DomainP for your money back until he has sorted this out and can fullfill his agreement?

DomainP You need to send Opencg back his money now as you broke your contract with him by not delivering the name. If this gets sorted out, you can renew the contract and resell it to him then. Why aren't you offering this on your own?
Doc
 

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open, why aren't you angry at domainp for selling you a product he did not have?
 

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Watch out for the worm!!
 

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Originally posted by TopNames.com
Did I mention that I am glad I didn't buy the domain?

You're not just glad, but also genius, smart, bla bla bla. ouch. :D
 

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"of course! but i still have 3k sitting out there because Attillo think he is a detective"

No, you have 3k sitting out there because you paid 3k to someone who had already accepted a deal to sell the domain name to another party and had, in fact, already transferred the domain name to another party. You don't seem the least bit concerned about whether or not the person who engaged in this double-dealing and has YOUR MONEY is going to return it to you or keep it. That strongly supports the notion that you are somehow in cahoots with or identical to domainp.

Atillio, it would be convenient if there was something called "the law" which always gave the correct answers. There isn't. As a practical matter, do you think someone in Russia or Brooklyn is going to sue someone in Mexico over $3,000? As a legal matter, since the transaction by which you obtained the domain name ocurred between domainp in Russia and you in Mexico, there is no jurisdictional connection to New York anyway.

As another practical matter, if you were convinced, on the basis of hard evidence you've seen with your own eyeballs, that the domain name was originally stolen, then do you think a thief is going to waltz into court and sue you for not paying him?

You can offer to pay a lawyer all the money in the world, but that is not going to provide the lawyer with the actual facts and documents concerning the history of this domain name and the transactions that led to it being in your hands.

Then, as someone pointed out earlier, what law would you like to apply? There is not some globally consistent body of rules that constitute "the law" - to which a single answer emerges after all the facts have been put to it. If you think you have come into possession of stolen property, then you might turn that property over to the police. If you lived in Delaware, that would be the correct thing to do with a piece of stolen property. If you want the answer for stolen property in Mexico, ask a Mexican lawyer - of course, whether a Mexican court would consider a domain name to be personal property is surely a question which the courts of Mexico have not yet resolved.

But without going into a huge digression on all of the potential issues here, suffice it to say that if there were always one and only one clear legal answer to every question, there would not be a need for courts at all. Look at every lawsuit you've seen. There is a lawyer on the side that wins, and there is a lawyer on the side that loses. Does that mean that lawyers are only "right" 50% of the time?

Given all of the crazy complexities that can grow out of this, a lawyer looks for simplifying principles. And the simplest of all principles is "minimize your exposure". So you look for things you have affirmatively done which might give rise to a claim. Now, did you steal the domain name from the original seller? No. By agreeing to buy the domain name, did you further harm the original seller? No. By not paying for the domain name, did you fail to do something you promised to do? Yes. If you return the domain name to domainp is the original seller any worse off? No.

The problem with that line of reasoning is that there is the issue of whether, if the domain name was stolen, that domainp could enforce your contract to buy the domain name? A court would likely try to find a way to answer "no" to that question. Of course, you would only be in a court attempting to answer that question if domainp sued you for breach of the sales contract.

Let me try attacking this another way. If you ask a tax lawyer, "If I find a penny on the sidewalk, then is that reportable income for federal income tax purposes?" then the answer is "of course". if you ask that lawyer if he personally has ever found a penny on the sidewalk, and has duly accounted for it and reported it on his taxes, he would laugh at you.

You are looking for someone to tell you what you *should* do. For that, you need a priest, a horoscope, a psychologist, or an oracle. The simplest legal analysis, based on only those facts which can truly be known by you with certainty, remains that you have a domain name which you acquired by promising to pay $3K.
 
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