Ouch.com (for sell or reselling)

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ouch

 

[LewR]

Somehow, more info to ID the scam artist needs to be gathered so that this guy can be locked up for internet fraud, a growing crime that is being pursued by the Feds at this time.

Another reason to look before you leap. Doing business with reputable people is very important.

 

[opencg]

the guy called me yesterday nite he wanted me to western union him the cash and he said he would change ownership first so i thought maye it would be cool to do biz with him but now what i hear makes wonder! i even placed a bid on ebay i saw the name there.

 

[izopod]

Hope everything works out for all parties. I think in light of what's transpired here, I think it would be helpful to start a "fraud forum" on DNF. It's increasing by the day, and would act as a public service to our members.

izopodian philsophy: Your only protection against fraud is to always ask yourself this: "Why would anyone you don't know personally, try to make a deal so sweet".

 

[DomainMyName]

Domain fraud may be rampant, but real-time threads like this one likely do more to heighten awareness of the problem than any agency of government will likely do to halt it.

Scott

 

[Duke]

The rightful owner is extremely lucky that the domain now sits with someone honest like Attilio. He has a good chance of reclaiming his property thanks to that stroke of good fortune.

 

[opportunitymagic]

Just an update: I just received a call from PayPal in regards to the 7500.00 transaction that was cancelled. I explained to them what had happened (I spoke with Christine in PayPal). I gave her my original auction number for reference and told her that It is on auction again and not by Attilio, who has it in his GoDaddy account. I asked how could someone sell something that they did not own. I am still looking for replies from DomainP on the forum. This really stinks. I will be back online at about 1:15 am eastern time.

 

[DomainMyName]

Allen ... I can't shake the feeling that this saga is going to have a just and happy ending. So far, so good. Stay calm.

Scott

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by Duke
The rightful owner is extremely lucky that the domain now sits with someone honest like Attilio. He has a good chance of reclaiming his property thanks to that stroke of good fortune.

Something is still not right here.

Why would the original poster of this thread come on DNF of all things to try to peddle this name, when the previous owner who "lost" $7500 might see it. Why not peddle it directly to a company not involved in the domain world, that might just do a western union.

I'm sorry but that name is not worth that much. I've seen a few appraisals on here, and elsewhere (Webhostingtalk), and this name didn't even come close to that amount.

To many "newbies" involved here...

 

[TurNIC.com]

3) What happened after that and how Domainp got control of the domain is still unclear to me.

I think it is clear to me. This russian guy (domain pimp) is the kentuky guy (actually living in USA in somewhere) who tried to buy the domain from Allen through Ebay and sent him a bad payment.

And the fatal mistake of Allen transferring domain before payment to an unknown person lets Domain pimp to get control of domain.

While Allen was waiting his payment to come to his PayPal account, Domain pimp tried to dup someone as much as possible, selling a $4500 name to Attilio for $3000.

The best thing is Attilio did not make the WU payment.

Actually I noticed there is something missing after the first post of topnames since he said he talked to guy. The Pimp stated in his first post that he lives in Russia. You can not call russia and call someone there without paying 100 bucks for 5 minutes they dont have proper telekom infrastructure. So nobody call a guy in russia for business.

Anyway, what a mess!

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by SirAlexFerguson

And the fatal mistake of Allen transferring domain before payment to an unknown person lets Domain pimp to get control of domain.

This is what is "strange" about the whole deal. Moreso than the "Russia" guy trying to "pimp" Quch.com on a popular "Domain" forum.

btw: What is up with the Platinum memberships as of Aug 03. One is a "good" guy and the other is a "bad" guy??? Is this the "Good cop/bad cop" routine being played out here? Can anyone personally vouch for Allen? And don't say that you talked with them on the phone, and they sounded nice. We need actually bonafide proof. This way Attilo can make a sound determination on what to do with this domain.

 

[izopod]

... and another thing... How did Godaddy.com manage to get Ouch.com in the first place? This is really starting to get interesting...

:laugh:

 

[fmmp]

Has anyone thought to contact EBay? Whomever [email protected] (US resident with 1 feedback after 2 1/2 years on EBay) is only putting the name on auction for domainp which means that he/she has extensive knowledge as to the identity of domainp. Ebay can definitely find out more about this especially for authorities. The high bidder opencd is more than likely a shield bidder.

Escrow definitley rocks!

 

[Togoodhlth]

Originally posted by izopod


Something is still not right here.

Why would the original poster of this thread come on DNF of all things to try to peddle this name, when the previous owner who "lost" $7500 might see it. Why not peddle it directly to a company not involved in the domain world, that might just do a western union.

I'm sorry but that name is not worth that much. I've seen a few appraisals on here, and elsewhere (Webhostingtalk), and this name didn't even come close to that amount.

To many "newbies" involved here...

I received an email offer stating that the domain was back up for sale on ebay and that I should email an offer to a hotmail account. This obviously threw up a red flag.

Since all parties involved, other than attillo are brand new members of the forum they probably didn't realize how fast the word would spread and figured they'd have a deal done before anyone was the wiser.

 

[Togoodhlth]

Originally posted by SirAlexFerguson
3) What happened after that and how Domainp got control of the domain is still unclear to me.

I think it is clear to me. This russian guy (domain pimp) is the kentuky guy (actually living in USA in somewhere) who tried to buy the domain from Allen through Ebay and sent him a bad payment.

And the fatal mistake of Allen transferring domain before payment to an unknown person lets Domain pimp to get control of domain.

While Allen was waiting his payment to come to his PayPal account, Domain pimp tried to dup someone as much as possible, selling a $4500 name to Attilio for $3000.

The best thing is Attilio did not make the WU payment.

Actually I noticed there is something missing after the first post of topnames since he said he talked to guy. The Pimp stated in his first post that he lives in Russia. You can not call russia and call someone there without paying 100 bucks for 5 minutes they dont have proper telekom infrastructure. So nobody call a guy in russia for business.

Anyway, what a mess!

SAF, I think you're right on the money.

Due to the relatively large amount of the transaction ($7500) wouldn't this be a felony and worse mail fraud?

To make things more strange I received an email asking me to email an offer to an email address different to the ones posted here. Not surprisingly it was a hotmail account.

 

[Togoodhlth]

Originally posted by fmmp
Has anyone thought to contact EBay? Whomever [email protected] (US resident with 1 feedback after 2 1/2 years on EBay) is only putting the name on auction for domainp which means that he/she has extensive knowledge as to the identity of domainp. Ebay can definitely find out more about this especially for authorities. The high bidder opencd is more than likely a shield bidder.

Escrow definitley rocks!

According to Allens post he contacted Paypal and ebay.

 

[Togoodhlth]

Originally posted by izopod


This is what is "strange" about the whole deal. Moreso than the "Russia" guy trying to "pimp" Quch.com on a popular "Domain" forum.

btw: What is up with the Platinum memberships as of Aug 03. One is a "good" guy and the other is a "bad" guy??? Is this the "Good cop/bad cop" routine being played out here? Can anyone personally vouch for Allen? And don't say that you talked with them on the phone, and they sounded nice. We need actually bonafide proof. This way Attilo can make a sound determination on what to do with this domain.

I actually told Allen about this forum and told him to join so he could post here and follow this thread. I felt it was important that he make his case here among people who know this industry and he agreed.

 

[LewR]

Originally posted by izopod


To many "newbies" involved here...

Bada Bing - Take it to Joisey - we'll handle it ...

 

[buddy]

What a mess! I can vouch for that Allen was the original owner. I contacted him less than an hour after he got the name, and I did get a response for him.

Like some of you pointed out already, I have no doubt that this a big scheme. Someone was looking to make a quick buck here. Luckily he came to the right place to do this

Hope it all works out for the best for both Allen and Attilo. The name is in good hands now at least.

 

[domainp]

Hey guys, let me clarify.
First of all, the ebay auction was posted by my usa friend. The next point is that I got this domain name from my friend living in USA - i've got a SIGNED CONTRACT with the seller (OpportunityMagic) and buyer (Everett Wan). I've got a signed contract of domain transfer from Wan to me. Anyone wants to see the documents?
The next point is that I don't understand where the matter of problem is. I legally got this domain name, I've recently mailed godaddy and they replied that domain is TOTALLY yours (my buyer) and that there are no actions that can stop your ownership. Does it mean that you've ripped me?

What else do you want to ask guys?

Awaiting a good answer