For Sale Top Of The Drops

[_Yakov_]

Originally posted by timechange.com
I think that as long as beatz - or whoever else - does not use precompiled results of other sources e.g. grabbing Exody lists would be not a good idea. But if beatz takes various sources and puts together this list then I don't see how this can be illegal or immoral in any aspect.

Lol, who said it's illigal
It's very simple - Publicizing the info that others may be trying to keep private isn't nice. Since it's not nice, why anyone want to do it.

It's not a journal here, so you don't get paid in any way, you just cancel out others work at no pay - is it morral ?

 

[beatz]

Yakov, why anyone want to do it ?!

To LEARN something.

As i have learned from stuffs (thats the other guy ) postings, like

http://dnforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27736

this time i thought its my turn to provide *a little*.

By these kind of analysis people indeed can learn something as you already agreed on, whereas people would not *learn* anything by postings about drops that are yet about to drop - thats the difference.

And the valuable info is not even primarily in the registrants details but about the dropservices ratio, the participating registrars etc.

But seems to me you are more concerned about your name popping up somewhere, right?

Well, understandable but as said, happens if you catch great names.

I mean, should we from now on not talk about successes and tactics of the likes of Rick Schwartz, BuyDomains, Ultsearch and so on anymore ?!

Hell, if that would have been the case i would not even know half of what i know today.

Or is it more because this time its your name popping up instead of elequas, MsJellos or whoever ?

 

[888]

Hi beatz and all,
I agree somewhat with Yakov. While it is useful to know the good drops and the drop service, it isn't really necessary to post the new owner's name.

I might be one of the "strange" domainers that don't like the free publicity. I can't speak for others though, some might want the extra fame . I just feel having my name listed a security risk. For example, if I have a password exposed, it would be much easier to break into every domain I own.

So if one day I catch a big fish, _please_ don't post _my_ name (the domain and drop service are completely fine). Of course I ain't your daddy and can't force you anything .

 

[timechange.com]

There is name masking services available - or form an LLC and hunt domains as such.

 

[_Yakov_]

Lol guys, if you cannot build an argument but just make a noise then I have no wish to continue this talk.
If you think that it's ok to reveal the information that others may be trying to keep private and to cancel out any competitive adventage that others spend time and work to create, then you must not know what morality means.

 

[Sharpy]

I'm not for it or against it but why don't you ask George what he thinks about it? That might give you all a better prespective on Yakov's point. One thing to publish ooodomains, another to publish George's name.

 

[Cash Is King]

Originally posted by _Yakov_
Lol guys, if you cannot build an argument but just make a noise then I have no wish to continue this talk.
If you think that it's ok to reveal the information that others may be trying to keep private and to cancel out any competitive adventage that others spend time and work to create, then you must not know what morality means.

Yakov

This sounds like an issue of you not wanting the publicty of owning domain names. This information is public and can be expressed by anyone who chooses to show it. You could have circumvented this debate by sending a pm to Beatz asking him not to post your name anymore because you would like it private. Then you could have stated that you are going to use a company name in the future for your regs so to mask your identity. This debate needs to end.

 

[_Yakov_]

Originally posted by WebHold


Yakov

This sounds like an issue of you not wanting the publicty of owning domain names. This information is public and can be expressed by anyone who chooses to show it. You could have circumvented this debate by sending a pm to Beatz asking him not to post your name anymore because you would like it private. Then you could have stated that you are going to use a company name in the future for your regs so to mask your identity. This debate needs to end.

Please, don't post misleading messages.
This isformation is not public ! What is public - is whois.
The lists that you make are not available, and they are not public! You make it and publicise.

Should I expect to hear next that Exody sells public information ?

 

[_Yakov_]

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[Cash Is King]

Originally posted by _Yakov_


Please, don't post misleading messages.
This isformation is not public ! What is public - is whois.
The lists that you make are not available, and they are not public! You make it and publicise.

Should I expect to hear next that Exody sells public information ?

Yakov

I agree with what you are saying in this post. Beatz obviously posted what he read from whois. I still believe you can protect
your identity in the long run by using a company name. I now agree that if you are going to post the owner of a domain, you should cut and paste the whois.

 

[Zoobar]

Originally posted by _Yakov_

Should I expect to hear next that Exody sells public information ?

Exody does sell public information.

Its more cost effective for most investors to buy the compiled info from exody rather than compiling it themselves. Thats the service they are selling.

 

[_Yakov_]

Basicaly it sells the "organized (sorted) information" which is not available in the sorted form. The same applies to the lists these guys publish here.

 

[GeorgeK]

Thanks. It's a tricky issue. However, we can't really stop folks from highlighting who owns what -- it's all public information. I already knew Yakov caught that name, and I'm sure others knew what I acquired, before Beatz posted it.

It's probably better that we do have a public WHOIS, otherwise there would be a LOT more problems (e.g. insiders stealing names, etc., before they even drop).

 

[_Yakov_]

Guys, let's stop posting this info since others like me don't consider it as moral. I'd also like to point that I'm not the only one who thinks that way, there are many people who have sent me PMs in support and many other people who working to get the stats only to get a kind of adventage.
After all, many people doing the research but only few of them officialize it. Why ? Because the rest considers it immoral.

 

[RMF]

I remember when Boat.net expired. I remember kicking myself for not getting a snap on it. Then it got renewed, and noticed the snap got taken off. I figured it was just renewed, and that was the last of it. Then not long ago, the snap was back on, and then it went into redemption period..errr.. Shoulda snapped it, but it looked like it was renewed. errr.

RMF

 

[clemzonguy]

Yakov you need to stop trying to censor other people from posting on this board. I may not agree with the Dixie Chicks statement ,just like you don't agree with Beatz posting. But in that same light he has the free speech to post anything that is not against the board rules just like the Dixie Chicks can say whatever they want in public. I don't see anything morally wrong with that at all.

We pay for memberships for this board now and should be able to post whatever the heck we want. You just make yourself look shady and suspect by this behavior. This information is valuable to me and I commend Beatz for posting it. Usually I just care about which service grabbed the name but it is nice to know who the person was behind it (e.g Mrs. Jello / Buydomains / etc).

 

[strongvis]

There's nothing at all wrong with identifiying who owns what names., so I say tough luck to Yakov as well .

It's REALLY ironic too since Yakov you seem to be upset that we identify the names you own and just because they= were drops but you are mad but you are happy to publicize all your other names in your signature at the end of your posts. Seems silly to me and a bit of a double standard.

Maybe you think it's immoral but it's not. It's just people talking about other peoples domains which here in America we're free to do.

 

[Zoobar]

Originally posted by strongvis
There's nothing at all wrong with identifiying who owns what names., so I say tough luck to Yakov as well .

It's REALLY ironic too since Yakov you seem to be upset that we identify the names you own and just because they= were drops but you are mad but you are happy to publicize all your other names in your signature at the end of your posts. Seems silly to me and a bit of a double standard.

Maybe you think it's immoral but it's not. It's just people talking about other peoples domains which here in America we're free to do.

Strongvis - 1
Yakov - 0

 

[Kid Kool]

Originally posted by clemzonguy
Yakov you need to stop trying to censor other people from posting on this board. I may not agree with the Dixie Chicks statement ,just like you don't agree with Beatz posting. But in that same light he has the free speech to post anything that is not against the board rules just like the Dixie Chicks can say whatever they want in public. I don't see anything morally wrong with that at all.

Yet another person who doesn't understand the concept of free speech. Yakov is exercising his free speech with his opinion that people should keep this kind of info to themselves. Also, "free speech" would not be applicable in this environment since this is a privately owned forum and the owner has a right to determine what is acceptable and what is not, since the forum is not owned by the government.

Even that is a moot point in this discussion, since Yakov is just asking people not to post it (because it sucks major balls), he's not saying it should be illegal.

Nevertheless, i don't think its possible to get people to stop posting this stuff. So the only solution is to stay ahead and make sure to always have more advanced knowledge then what is being posted here. In other words gain some kind of advantage, and pray no one finds out that would reveal it here....

 

[DaddyHalbucks]

The whole point of this forum is TO EXCHANGE INFORMATION.

A discussion of who-got-what is perfectly appropriate.