Warning about member LoudBeats.com (aka Jay Mahal, dont.net, Soofi Group)

[DomainsInc]

i don't know all the details but about the community thing, if someone on the forum was selling stolen domains on another forum, would they be banned here? i hope so. i know its not quite the same but i was just wondering.

 

[DN BROKER]

i don't know all the details but about the community thing, if someone on the forum was selling stolen domains on another forum, would they be banned here? i hope so. i know its not quite the same but i was just wondering.

Exactly.

 

[JuniperPark]

HOPE -

Perhaps you can post the URLS involved? If they're not developed, I'm going to be VERY disappointed in Adam and DNF.

I'm having a similar, but far more serious battle with the admins at Meetup.com and a major site in the photography community. They have known criminals, with multiple convictions for stalking and nude photography with minors, still using those sites to troll for new victims. What's most bizzare and outrageous is that this is San Diego, where we just put in prison a guy with the same criminal history, who was allowed to stalk, rape and murder 2 local high school students... even though probation offices were warned "he will rape again" and he had over 100 probation violations before the killings. I'm putting together a fact sheet for the media right now to expose these "enablers" of criminals.

I've had it with forum admins who refuse to protect their community with lines like "I can't judge".

 

[Soofi]

I discussed this issue internally & personally with Adam (Administrator of DNF) and NPQueen (Administrator of NP) where I have shared my bit of story, and don't feel that I need to run around explaining this issue again in public, but I still will this one time.

Oh and for everyone's kind information, I wasn't banned from namepros for INVIGOR's false allegations and baseless claims. Here is a quote from email correspondence with NPQueen which will clarify that for you all (pm me for email screen-shot):

I wanted to let you know that your account wasn't closed as a result of that situation, it was due to the number of infraction points that you had accumulated.

Here is my bit of story for you all and for your peace of mind:

I tried offering resolutions initially but all he wanted at that time was "his way or the highway", so I'm kind of done with his ranting. Seriously guys I didnt earn a reputation of about 50 trader ratings and 1000+ posts here on DNF along with 3000+ posts and 350+ trader ratings on namepros in a flash or in just one day. It takes years of honest, dedicated hard work and goodwill, and a non-reputable member (Invigor) is coming out of nowhere with false allegations to trash it just because we pulled out of his project due to his over aggressive and dictatorship behavior which was never acceptable.

He claims that we have money back guarantee written somewhere in our namepros thread, but it is mentioned nowhere in that thread (please feel free to ask for NP link from me or invigor).. We only have a line which says "Satisfaction is our utmost priority, try us" line if I'm not mistaken. We have money back guarantee published on our site: soofigroup.com for all the other work except minisites because we don't offer minisite development through our official website, and refund is offered only within 15 days from the time of payment was processed if the order was placed through our site.

He was also duly informed, explained in our previous conversation that 2-3 business days timeframe as published in our namepros thread is something that we take to build a minisite, however, it does take more time to write quality content that he wanted us to publish on the minisites. INVIGOR guy is actually a freebie seeker as I have been told by quite a few people here on DNF and has been wrongly or falsely claiming refund as he was duly informed in our several initial conversations about the time included in the development work per site and upto 4 images (this might have been mis-communicated initially) and when I personally spoke to him on facebook chat and he removed me from friends list after I had emailed him about quitting work because he was over-aggressively coming onto me.

Only thing missing on his 16 minisites at this time is images on some or most minsites, which we were to include at the end of the development work but he went ahead and changed passwords on his hosting site so that we couldn't perform anymore development work and he could just get away with the refund claim.

As for INVIGOR guy, he's pulled every stunt he could, tried every trick and tactic to ruin my reputation because "he didn't wanted to pay us for the 16 minisites and Invigor,com site my team did for him". He also kept threatening me through aggressively written emails and of going to every domainer to ruin my reputation if I didn't refund him, so I told him to do whatever he think is suitable for him.

HOPE: I rest my case on this issue right here, please feel free to pm me if you or anyone else have questions because I dont think I want to get into an argument over this issue with INVIGOR or anyone else.

 

[DN BROKER]

your argument is nothing but i did this and he did no like. The fact that you delivered sites with incorrect images is a bad sign from your behalf, operating under these terms makes you a bad business man. And for stating that you don't want to discuss this in more detail makes you guilty.

As far as I see it, you delivered a service which was not delivered correctly the first time and for that reason a refund is eligible. If you acted professional and delivered every delivery of service correctly then you would not be facing this issue. The fact that you are now accusing the OP of being disshonest is shameful, who are you sources? if the OP has a hard on for freebies, excuse my french then its his business, but claiming others have said this and that about him is not usable in this argument and is a weak defensive argument.

If you know of anyone who has experienced the same issue with the OP, then please have them come forward with their evidence and then the community will judge who right or wrong. As far as the evidence goes, your at fault and a refund should be issued.

When I buy a template from a website company, they deliver the product when its ready to be delivered not the other way around.

 

[JuniperPark]

So, in summary, all of the accusations are true: You kept his money and did not do the work.

And you're "defense" is that you need 3 days (each) to figure out how to post four (4!) images, and they you are banned from NP because you scammed OTHER people, not this guy.

ADAM -- WHY IS THIS GUY BEING ALLOWED TO PREY ON DNF MEMBERS???

 

[DN BROKER]

and by the way, 50+ itrader ratings is can be aqquired by selling 50 .coms for $1 each! We've had a share of members on both forums be banned with higher itrader rating, GREED does have its days on all of us and some take it to far.

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For the record:

I discussed this issue internally & personally with Adam (Administrator of DNF) and NPQueen (Administrator of NP) where I have shared my bit of story, and don't feel that I need to run around explaining this issue again in public, but I still will this one time.

Oh and for everyone's kind information, I wasn't banned from namepros for INVIGOR's false allegations and baseless claims. Here is a quote from email correspondence with NPQueen which will clarify that for you all (pm me for email screen-shot):

Here is my bit of story for you all and for your peace of mind:

I tried offering resolutions initially but all he wanted at that time was "his way or the highway", so I'm kind of done with his ranting. Seriously guys I didnt earn a reputation of about 50 trader ratings and 1000+ posts here on DNF along with 3000+ posts and 350+ trader ratings on namepros in a flash or in just one day. It takes years of honest, dedicated hard work and goodwill, and a non-reputable member (Invigor) is coming out of nowhere with false allegations to trash it just because we pulled out of his project due to his over aggressive and dictatorship behavior which was never acceptable.

He claims that we have money back guarantee written somewhere in our namepros thread, but it is mentioned nowhere in that thread (please feel free to ask for NP link from me or invigor).. We only have a line which says "Satisfaction is our utmost priority, try us" line if I'm not mistaken. We have money back guarantee published on our site: soofigroup.com for all the other work except minisites because we don't offer minisite development through our official website, and refund is offered only within 15 days from the time of payment was processed if the order was placed through our site.

He was also duly informed, explained in our previous conversation that 2-3 business days timeframe as published in our namepros thread is something that we take to build a minisite, however, it does take more time to write quality content that he wanted us to publish on the minisites. INVIGOR guy is actually a freebie seeker as I have been told by quite a few people here on DNF and has been wrongly or falsely claiming refund as he was duly informed in our several initial conversations about the time included in the development work per site and upto 4 images (this might have been mis-communicated initially).

Only thing missing on his 16 minisites at this time is images on some or most minsites, which we were to include at the end of the development work but he went ahead and changed passwords on his hosting site so that we couldn't perform anymore development work and he could just get away with the refund claim.

As for INVIGOR guy, he's pulled every stunt he could, tried every trick and tactic to ruin my reputation because "he didn't wanted to pay us for the 16 minisites and Invigor,com site my team did for him". He also kept threatening me through aggressively written emails and of going to every domainer to ruin my reputation if I didn't refund him, so I told him to do whatever he think is suitable for him.

HOPE: I rest my case on this issue right here, please feel free to pm me if you or anyone else have questions because I dont think I want to get into an argument over this issue with INVIGOR or anyone else.

 

[Melly]

I don't know about others but invigor sent me a $$$$ bank wire upfront so hes definitely not cheap.

 

[JuniperPark]

I found this line particularly amusing:

"...when I personally spoke to him on facebook chat..."

I guess when you're spinning BS too quickly, you're going to end up with a few oxymorons in your "defense"

 

[DN BROKER]

I don't know about others but invigor sent me a $$$$ bank wire upfront so hes definitely not cheap.

Thank you for coming forward.

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A CHEAP argument seems to be his defense

 

[Melly]

I use fb chat like its a religion lol

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If $825 was paid & the sites were not completed correctly why not give the $300 that he is requesting & move on. It will give the buyer some relief and seller his honor back

 

[DN BROKER]

Unfortunately he sold a cheap service and got confronted by an experienced Domainer and failed to resolve the issue professionally and is now using the cheap argument the OP is at fault.

A liar begins with making falsehood appear like truth, and ends with making truth itself appear like falsehood.
William Shenstone

 

[ksinclair]

Domaining is a small world. To me it seems clear:

1) Loudbeats did not fully deliver, and the customer is unhappy. So: give a full refund. Kind of obvious.
Loudbeats might find it is better to take smaller, more manageable orders.

2) Invigor is unhappy, and if he gets the refund, he should not use any of those sites. Just walk away from those sites.

3) I dont think people should be so quick to air their dirty laundry in public. It just gets ugly. And to whatever extent the Admins are going to help you,
they would give that same level of help if you appeal to them via PM, in my experience. So keep it in PM. And actually, the OP in a typical public dispute like this,
even if they are 'mostly right', can also be tainted by such threads. Its just human nature - different readers will interpret things in different ways.

4) We are all guests here. If you were a guest in someone's home and you did not like something, it would be rude to stand up and start shouting at them.
So dont do it here, either. We should all respect our hosts.

Kevin

 

[randomo]

I don't know anything about Jay's (loudbeats.com) work as a developer, but for what it's worth, I have done many domain deals with him and he has been fully trustworthy. Let's not jump to conclusions before we see all the evidence for both sides.

 

[JuniperPark]

Domaining is a small world. To me it seems clear:

1) Loudbeats did not fully deliver, and the customer is unhappy. So: give a full refund. Kind of obvious.
Loudbeats might find it is better to take smaller, more manageable orders. AGREED

2) Invigor is unhappy, and if he gets the refund, he should not use any of those sites. Just walk away from those sites. AGREED

3) I dont think people should be so quick to air their dirty laundry in public. It just gets ugly. And to whatever extent the Admins are going to help you,
they would give that same level of help if you appeal to them via PM, in my experience. So keep it in PM. And actually, the OP in a typical public dispute like this,
even if they are 'mostly right', can also be tainted by such threads. Its just human nature - different readers will interpret things in different ways. HE DID - and that failed so he went public. Criminals LOVE people who keep their crimes a secret! It helps them find the next victim.

4) We are all guests here. If you were a guest in someone's home and you did not like something, it would be rude to stand up and start shouting at them.
So dont do it here, either. We should all respect our hosts. WRONG. I'm not a guest, I'm a paying client. One of the things I've paid for is some level of administration, to weed out the criminals and scam artists via account banning and iTrader rating. It's up to EVERY paying client to make noise when services they paid for are not rendered.

Kevin

Now sure why DNF says "this message is too short" but adding some words on the end...

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I don't know anything about Jay's (loudbeats.com) work as a developer, but for what it's worth, I have done many domain deals with him and he has been fully trustworthy. Let's not jump to conclusions before we see all the evidence for both sides.

Loudbeat just admitted he took Hope's money and didn't do the work. What more do you need to see before you can draw a conclusion?

 

[Melly]

Now sure why DNF says "this message is too short" but adding some words on the end...

stupid message is to short wtf

I think you mean Invigors. They should agree to the amount of a refund & make it happen..

 

[blogcrash]

I made some deals - domain sales - with loudbeats and never had any issue.

I don't know who has the reason here.
But i know that Huge Discussions start with Huge lack of communication.

I hope you both solve this issue...

I agree with ksinclair...

I dont think people should be so quick to air their dirty laundry in public. It just gets ugly. And to whatever extent the Admins are going to help you, they would give that same level of help if you appeal to them via PM, in my experience. So keep it in PM. And actually, the OP in a typical public dispute like this, even if they are 'mostly right', can also be tainted by such threads. Its just human nature - different readers will interpret things in different ways.

 

[A D]

Now, please post the URLS so we can see the sites in question.

I have not been given any urls.

I have however spent way too much time being involved in a situation that took place elsewhere.

-=DCG=-

 

[randomo]

Loudbeat just admitted he took Hope's money and didn't do the work. What more do you need to see before you can draw a conclusion?

It doesn't look that simple. Did the buyer expect the seller to meet a "barebones" minisite timeframe even though the buyer also wanted extra content? Was there an honest miscommunication about the number of images per site? Did the buyer prevent the seller from adding graphics by locking him out of the hosting site? Etc.

I agree that they should decide on a partial refund and move on.

 

[dmyre]

I have not been given any urls.

I have however spent way too much time being involved in a situation that took place elsewhere.

-=DCG=-

Agreed. I think it's good to have a thread here, displaying both sides, but it's certainly not an issue that Adam should get pulled in to.
It should be more of a warning post to other people considering loudbeats.com services...