9 Months Later whats worth more... .xxx domains or the....

[woofard]

The T-Shirts are cool.

HA! HA! That's perfect! Sounds like a Biz Opp to me!

 

[dvdrip]

Who said anything about resellers? I have sold maybe 2 domains to resellers in the past 5 years.

Sales are sales, no matter what the domains are. I don't know what you sold and you don't know what I sold.
What counts is the money in the bank.

One difference between your sales and mine is that I don't sell to resellers, my sales are primarily to end users, Secondly all domains sold were brandable as opposed to generic. So when I made the point about having 6 sales in a 45 day period, I was referring to my names, that I could in no way sell these domains in any other TLD in that short period of time.. That I'm convinced of.

 

[dcristo]

Nobody was knocking on the door asking for .info or .us 10 years ago.
Wait 5-10 years and then we will talk again about .xxx.

5-10 years? not as impulsive as some of the raunchy xxx vids you may have seen.

 

[Raider]

Who said anything about resellers? I have sold maybe 2 domains to resellers in the past 5 years.

Sales are sales, no matter what the domains are. I don't know what you sold and you don't know what I sold.
What counts is the money in the bank.

It was you who made the point comparing my sales to yours in the same 45 day period, clearly the two don't compare, UNLESS your going to tell me they were brandable and you sold them all to end users who initiated contact, which I know didn't happen, at least NOT with the .info's.

 

[dvdrip]

If you can't compare money with money then yes clearly domain sales don't compare...
Yes they were end users who initiated contact.
Bu who cares if domains are brandable or not? Really...

 

[Raider]

Nobody was knocking on the door asking for .info or .us 10 years ago.
Wait 5-10 years and then we will talk again about .xxx.

And .SEX
And .PORN
And .ADULT

Sure we can talk about it then, but by the time "Then" comes around we'll be more busy talking about .hairy, .anal, .milf, .kinky or whatever other sexual fetish ICM says we desperately need, or rather THEY need.

After these TLD's start rolling out, what do you think will happen to .XXX values then?.

 

[Raider]

Bu who cares if domains are brandable or not? Really...

I would of never said anything if you didn't take my post out of context when you compared your sales which were generics.

 

[dcristo]

or rather THEY need.

who are you kidding...

 

[dvdrip]

What will happen? Do you have a crystal ball?
What will happen to .com when all these new TLDs come out next year?

And .SEX
And .PORN
And .ADULT

Sure we can talk about it then, but by the time "Then" comes around we'll be more busy talking about .hairy, .anal, .milf, .kinky or whatever other sexual fetish ICM says we desperately need, or rather THEY need.

After these TLD's start rolling out, what do you think will happen to .XXX values then?.

 

[dvdrip]

I never said what my sales were. And I never took your post out of context because you talked about domain sales and I talked about domain sales too.

It was you that said that my sales were generic and I said that I don't care what domains you sell and you shouldn't care what domains I sell.
The only thing that matters is that we are selling. And we are selling to end users.

Do you want to be known as the one that predicted that .xxx domains will be worthless in 10 years time?
OK. Point taken. But you have to wait for the 10 years. You can't force your opinion.
And when people are making money with other TLDs, well they just do. No matter what they are selling.

I would of never said anything if you didn't take my post out of context when you compared your sales which were generics.

 

[katherine]

Nobody was knocking on the door asking for .info or .us 10 years ago.
Wait 5-10 years and then we will talk again about .xxx.

Notwithstanding your personal success these extensions remain quite weak.
Domains and extensions can depreciate with time.
The best time to make money as a domainer is to flip early and move on, before interest and hype begin to wane.
Remember the .mobi fiasco. Those who held on to their domains were left holding the bag. .asia .mobi .tel .co lather rinse repeat. Success is the exception, not the norm.

In 5-10 years, .xxx will be diluted in a myriad of thousands of TLDs so it will be even less 'special' than it is.
Keep in mind that today there are 'only' two dozen gTLDs.

When a TLD is not embraced by the industry that it purports to serve, then its relevance should logically be questioned.
In this regard .xxx is no different than .aero .travel .coop .museum etc.

No need to wait for 5-10 years, give it one year (one renewal cycle) and see if holders are still in the mood.

I know that some of you develop your domains, but any TLD other than .tel can be developed. Even a .tk.
That doesn't mean any TLD is valuable.
An extension needs a good amount of development to thrive and gain recognition.
The challenge ahead for .xxx will be to muster enough end user interest and development for the world to take notice.
But hardly anybody cares.
As always, domainers and TLD backers are much more excited than the intended beneficiaries, which in itself tells a lot about the situation.

If you have domains with type-in traffic that converts, you win. That still doesn't make the extension valuable as a whole.

 

[katherine]

It is surprising that no TM owners have gone after the registries themselves.

Well there is a bit of action:
http://domainincite.com/10149-court...ampaign=Feed:+DomainIncite+(DomainIncite.com)

 

[Gerry]

I never said what my sales were. And I never took your post out of context because you talked about domain sales and I talked about domain sales too.

Welcome to DNF.

 

[Gerry]

it just seems unrealistic to expect trademark holders to keep doing things the way they've been doing now that .anyTLD is possible..

You're correct. The registrars need accountability. There is no reason that they cannot use the same software that some companies use to alert them to their name (or variation there of) has been regged. This software has been available for years but it is the corporation itself that has to pay to use the software to protect itself...and protect itself from the registries ALLOWING their name to be regged.

 

[mjnels]

it is a touchy issue though.. how to regulate such a thing in a somewhat automatic way. blatant TM's like "microsoft" are one thing.... this is just one part of the internet that still has a wild west feel to it even in 2012..

 

[mjnels]

And .SEX
And .PORN
And .ADULT

Sure we can talk about it then, but by the time "Then" comes around we'll be more busy talking about .hairy, .anal, .milf, .kinky or whatever other sexual fetish ICM says we desperately need, or rather THEY need.

After these TLD's start rolling out, what do you think will happen to .XXX values then?.

this is an interesting topic because according to ICANN's own guidelines they are not supposed to approve any 2 TLD's that are too similar to each other. remains to be seen how this is handled but i'd say the .MOBILE TLD should set some precedent being .MOBI has been in existence for 6 years and i cant think of a better example of "too similar" and "serving the same purpose" off the top of my head.

as to what will happen to the values? nobody knows but i'd imagine most people would think with so many TLD's values will be spread extremely thin.. the thing is - as it stands right now "alternative TLD's" are not really a big thing with regular people and this is a contributing factor for values of course. one theory is once people get to know that .anything exists it will make it less weird and eventually normalized and the whole "rising tide lifts all alternative TLD boats" will apply.

 

[Gerry]

one theory is once people get to know that .anything exists it will make it less weird and eventually normalized and the whole "rising tide lifts all alternative TLD boats" will apply.

Bravo!

 

[katherine]

one theory is once people get to know that .anything exists it will make it less weird and eventually normalized and the whole "rising tide lifts all alternative TLD boats" will apply.

That's the theory, consumers would become more tolerant of alternate TLDs when they see one, but that doesn't mean they would want one for their business
Judging by the Overstock fiasco, it's going to take many years for that to happen.
Even unsophisticated Internet users must have seen .info .biz a couple times while surfing the Internet, but it just didn't leave them with a lasting impression. The problem is lack of mindshare.
So it is not enough for extensions to exist and be visible, there has to be critical mass - failing that, they don't get noticed.
The key is development. Good luck achieving that goal in a defensive TLD.

In non-US markets, Europe in particular, the ccTLDs tend do dominate. .com is still the extension of choice for global companies, startups etc.
As JMCC would put it there is a strong .com/ccTLD axis.
The difference in these markets is that consumers are less obsessed with .com and more (cc)TLD-aware than their US counterparts. From my observation there is no interest over there in all these little things coming out from the bowels of Icann. They are just not relevant at all.
The US market has its own peculiarities of course.

 

[Gerry]

All it takes is apps. Nothing to remember, no one knows what the URL is, all they know is they press this cute little colorful button and it goes where they want to go.

Look at all the icons now. Look at the f that everyone recognizes as facebook. Suddenly, no one goes to http://www.facebook.com. All they have to do on their phone is tap an icon. End of story.

So if you are developing, I would recommend NOT shying away of a premium word if it is marketable and brandable all on it's own.

 

[mjnels]

the overstock thing seemed pointless since they already had a well known brand.. also was done at a time when alternate TLD's are still a bit strange. even if they were largely "accepted" i dont see the point in rebranding just because the domain and TLD are shorter.

beyond defensive registrations, the argument that "big brands wont trade in their .coms for these new TLD's" is almost certainly true. im not even sure why this topic is discussed as much as it is though - as if google suddenly will switch to google.search just because they can... and since startups of course like to be seen as credible most of them do like the big brands and use .COM until/if the shift in "tolerance" for odd TLD's starts to happen..