A few .mobi questions

[MobileDesigner]

.mobey bashing is a recreational sport and it's a lot of fun. :yes:

just as you, im in the business. you have no knowledge in such domain extension nor industry therefore your bashing makes you look stupid. Your not stupidity alters sales for .mobi.

so lets put this in another aspect...


Im selling a car that i know is good IMO. you have no knowledge of this car, but you have some silly opinion that my car is crap. as i am making sales, you come up to my customers and my reputation and say that my car is crap. If you were a person, i think that we would verbally fight and argue. What business is it of yours to come to my car lot and say bad things to me, my potential customers and my reputation? I dont know where you live, but i think i could sue you for making such false claims on potential sales and my reputation. Let me remind a lot of you bashers, Im in the mobile industry in tokyo... I see businesses come and go and expand and succeed. .mobi is not a new technology. it is simply paving new access to new MOBILE companies rather than the brick and mortar companie

If im selling bannanas and your selling oranges, you cannot say my bannanas are crap even if you dont like the flavor. this is not your judgment to make. it is for my customers.

so shut the hell up and deal with your own sales. Do you see me prying and altering your sales!? no. so mine your own business. It is not fun. its a business. not a sport.

 

[sashas]

Vision, while you're at it, can you please answer my question?
http://www.dnforum.com/f408/mobi-developers-lovers-tell-me-about-thread-275613.html


mjnels, those who got into .mobi early have done very well for themselves. And frankly, the domainers who were around at that time and didn't reg good keywords were pretty stupid not to do so. The only TLD I will see rolling out when I'm around is .asia, and be sure that I'll reg a few...

What we're "discussing" here is buying .mobi names now, which isn't the wisest of options.

so shut the hell up and deal with your own sales. Do you see me prying and altering your sales!? no. so mine your own business. It is not fun. its a business. not a sport.

this is a "discussion" forum. And heck, .mobi bashing is still not that bad

 

[mjnels]

mjnels, those who got into .mobi early have done very well for themselves. And frankly, the domainers who were around at that time and didn't reg good keywords were pretty stupid not to do so. The only TLD I will see rolling out when I'm around is .asia, and be sure that I'll reg a few...

What we're "discussing" here is buying .mobi names now, which isn't the wisest of options.

you are forgetting the MOST important part.. ALMOST EVERYONE WAS LAUGHING ON SEPTEMBER 26th... saying anyone paying $60 for a mandatory 2-year registration for even good keywords was insane and going to lose money on the pointless .mobey extention..

NOWWWW people are still laughing at a different thing.... nowwww people say buying mobi names right now just isnt smart ... BUT OH, "i guess landrush names were ok".... "yea that was a good opportunity"

i love the shift in thinking that has already occured in such a short period of time.


BTW, I registered some fresh mobi's last month.... i must be crazy.


ROUND AND ROUND THE SAME SILLY GROUP-THINK PROCESS GOES.... WHERE IT STOPS NOBODY KNOWS!

 

[katherine]

I reg'd a three word .ws several days ago, stuck up a mini site, and it's covered half it's reg fee back in a week - it doesn't matter how lame the extension is - it's what you do with the name that counts - and if you can't see past parking for monetization....

Sure enough, with development any extension can make money. But you cannot do anything you want with a mobi while you have complete freedom with most other TLDs even .ws
In answer to the OP: why limit yourself to a tiny market, that is what the mobile users represent.

The mobi cheerleaders keep saying mobile gonna be huge nobody actually thinks mobi is going to overtake .com so what ?

Michael: you can bet that all these Fortune 500 companies will have .asia too. Does that mean they are believers ? My guess is they are pragmatic above all (I mean 'followers': "ok let's reg our name for defensive purpose, maybe put up a site just in case and let's wait and see").

Problem with the 'usual suspects' that are vested into the extension, they think the bubble will not burst because it's not a bubble to begin with. You can make good money with the stocks too but when the stocks plummet you better have an exit strategy.
I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but in my books mobi is another wap remake :asleep:

 

[sashas]

you are forgetting the MOST important part.. ALMOST EVERYONE WAS LAUGHING ON SEPTEMBER 26th... saying anyone paying $60 for a mandatory 2-year registration for even good keywords was insane and going to lose money on the pointless .mobey extention..

NOWWWW people are still laughing at a different thing.... nowwww people say buying mobi names right now just isnt smart ... BUT OH, "i guess landrush names were ok".... "yea that was a good opportunity"

i love the shift in thinking that has already occured in such a short period of time.


BTW, I registered some fresh mobi's last month.... i must be crazy.


ROUND AND ROUND THE SAME SILLY GROUP-THINK PROCESS GOES.... WHERE IT STOPS NOBODY KNOWS!

I stumbled onto domaining in June 2007. So what happened before that, I have no clue. But I do know whats happening now.


Btw, anyone care to answer my question?

 

[mjnels]

In answer to the OP: why limit yourself to a tiny market, that is what the mobile users represent.

take note people.... the year is 2008 and people are still saying this: mobile users represent a tiny market.


HA HA HA and HA!


welcome to the clueless peoples club (...there is your flame)

I stumbled onto domaining in June 2007. So what happened before that, I have no clue.

thats ok, everyone was new at one time.

im still new... but if you were here back then you would have saw exactly what i described.


the point is: people said it back then and at some point altered their opinion slightly to fit with whats going on NOW.

dont run with the herd. always think for yourself.

 

[jasdon11]

Thats the whole thing. Once developed, a good website in ANY extension would do well. Just look at the Alexa top 500. Not ever site is .com (though most are). Look at Wretch.cc - crap extension, but top 40 Alexa rank.

So for a developer, an extension doesn't matter, as long as the site is marketed properly. A top of the line name in a top extension makes your marketing and brand building a lot easier, but its not a prerequisite to making a popular site; its just a big advantage.

However, in my views, a domainer is NOT a developer. A domainer is one who makes money parking and selling names based on their intrinsic value. The three word .ws you mentioned wouldn't have made back its reg fees, or be sold to an end user/reseller if you hadn't developed it.

I'll agree that most domainers are also developers, but by definition, a domainer is strictly a parker/seller of domain names. And we're discussing .mobi from a domainer's perspective, not a developer's. So the development angle doesn't work.

It depends on what your definition is.

Building a 30 minute minisite is hardly different to parking and optimising a name - the main difference is that my share of the revenue is far more than it would be if parked. And I have unlimited control regarding monetization.

Developing is essentially a far more involving process and not something you could do easily with a decent sized portfolio.

My point from my previous post is, that some say that the extension will 'fail' or 'die', which is proposterous - there are simply too many big hitters with vast marketing budgets, that are using .mobi for their mobile sites. Many of these firms budgets are many times more than the collective revenue of everyone on this forum - true or false?

So, if you were a betting person, who would you put your money on?

a.) The extension that has countless billions of marketing funds behind it.

or

b.) Joe Domainer who lucked out 6 years ago, but now thinks he's a genius?

 

[mjnels]

Btw, anyone care to answer my question?

about what?

that using a mobi domain with a redirect to a full version is a dilution of the brand ?


sure, you can think that if you want... i dont agree... mTLD.mobi uses a redirect when you access it from a PC.

so does Mobility.mobi


some may say brand dilution.... i say bullshit.

the real kicker here is its all just opinions.... there is no "nail in the coffin"

 

[iDName]

Sure enough, with development any extension can make money. But you cannot do anything you want with a mobi while you have complete freedom with most other TLDs even .ws
In answer to the OP: why limit yourself to a tiny market, that is what the mobile users represent.

The mobi cheerleaders keep saying mobile gonna be huge nobody actually thinks mobi is going to overtake .com so what ?

Michael: you can bet that all these Fortune 500 companies will have .asia too. Does that mean they are believers ? My guess is they are pragmatic above all (I mean 'followers': "ok let's reg our name for defensive purpose, maybe put up a site just in case and let's wait and see").

Problem with the 'usual suspects' that are vested into the extension, they think the bubble will not burst because it's not a bubble to begin with. You can make good money with the stocks too but when the stocks plummet you better have an exit strategy.
I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but in my books mobi is another wap remake :asleep:

Who the hell is saying .mobi is gonna over take .com? Where the hell do you guys come from?

Don't invest in .mobi and develop .mobi sites people! It's not gonna overtake .com so forget about it!!! JFC!

We are building sites for people on the go using .mobi domain names. We are targeting the up & coming, soon to be a huge market, MOBILE market! MOBILE APPS!!! Like the ones listed on the Apple.COM site for the iPhone (that actually shows full web pages, WTF are they thinking?)!!!

and if the MOBILE market changes............WE WILL CHANGE!

.MOBI names aren't selling for friggin .com prices, no where near! Loans.mobi $30k Loans.com $3 million!!! JFC, what is wrong with you people?

Can't stand it when .mobi is having some success or what?

"CRUSH .MOBI" "DEATH TO .MOBI" ".MOBI IS GOING TO DIE" ".COM WILL ALWAYS REMAIN KING" OOOO MMMMMMM FFFFFF GGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

http://www.ejrb.com/dotcom.jpg

I need to write a blog and quote all you anti-mobiers to show the world what people really think about a small thing such as a domain extension. How far people will go in todays world to DESTROY domain extensions other than .COM, .NET & .ORG or anything that is having any success and taking away from other extensions.

You anti-mobiers need to come up with a name for your selves...what do you want to go with?

 

[sashas]

thats ok, everyone was new at one time.

im still new... but if you were here back then you would have saw exactly what i described.


the point is: people said it back then and at some point altered their opinion slightly to fit with whats going on NOW.

dont run with the herd. always think for yourself.

Look, I've always maintained I was a .mobi skeptic. That was until the great Music.mobi fiasco. Prior to that, I was ambiguous about .mobi, I asked some questions, but thats about it (and yes, my more polite attitude towards .mobi at NP that Doc so kindly mentions is from this period). But that auction set alarm bells ringing. 650k is a lot of money.

The more I researched, the more I found a lot of hype. I didn't jump on the wagon without doing my research. I still have questions that I don't find good enough answers to.

I'm not stupid to not invest in a gTLD. Honestly, any domainer not willing to spend $30 reg fee is just missing out. But paying $30,000 for the same name now...thats stupidity too. .asia might be crap, but I'll spend about a 1000 bucks regging some names.

about what?

that using a mobi domain with a redirect to a full version is a dilution of the brand ?


sure, you can think that if you want... i dont agree... mTLD.mobi uses a redirect when you access it from a PC.

so does Mobility.mobi


some may say brand dilution.... i say bullshit.

the real kicker here is its all just opinions.... there is no "nail in the coffin"

brand dilution IS important, especially since .mobi is promoted from a branding point of view.

Besides the branding, there is one very important issue: .mobi is promoted as the extension for mobile websites.

A non savvy domainer would assume that .mobi is ONLY when you're looking at the website from your mobile, and that when you're accessing the website through your PC, you have to use an alternate extension (which is .com, of course).

End result: whenever someone wants to access your website from a PC, you lose ALL that traffic to the .com (which you don't own). Sure, there is traffic leak to the .com on any extension. But with .mobi, it'll be an entire migration.

its all good if you own the .com and the .mobi. But when you don't, you stand to lose MAJOR traffic, heck, an entire market segment.

 

[Fearless]

you are forgetting the MOST important part.. ALMOST EVERYONE WAS LAUGHING ON SEPTEMBER 26th... saying anyone paying $60 for a mandatory 2-year registration for even good keywords was insane and going to lose money on the pointless .mobey extention..

I for one never said that. I understand the beanie baby factor.

 

[mjnels]

Look, I've always maintained I was a .mobi skeptic. That was until the great Music.mobi fiasco. Prior to that, I was ambiguous about .mobi, I asked some questions, but thats about it (and yes, my more polite attitude towards .mobi at NP that Doc so kindly mentions is from this period). But that auction set alarm bells ringing. 650k is a lot of money.

The more I researched, the more I found a lot of hype. I didn't jump on the wagon without doing my research. I still have questions that I don't find good enough answers to.

I'm not stupid to not invest in a gTLD. Honestly, any domainer not willing to spend $30 reg fee is just missing out. But paying $30,000 for the same name now...thats not quite okay. .asia might be crap, but I'll spend about a 1000 bucks regging some names.

so mobi has hype.

this BEGS the question: when there is hype involved in something, does that then mean that thing is A BIG SCAM and OF NO VALUE?


the iphone was hyped... and it is not all its cracked up to be.

SO WHAT... its still cool, i still bought one... you have to take the GOOD with the BAD.

extreme opinions suck and wont get anyone anywhere.

brand dilution IS important, especially since .mobi is promoted from a branding point of view.

Besides the branding, there is one very important issue: .mobi is promoted as the extension for mobile websites.

A non savvy domainer would assume that .mobi is ONLY when you're looking at the website from your mobile, and that when you're accessing the website through your PC, you have to use an alternate extension (which is .com, of course).

End result: whenever someone wants to access your website from a PC, you lose ALL that traffic to the .com (which you don't own). Sure, there is traffic leak to the .com on any extension. But with .mobi, it'll be an entire migration.

its all good if you own the .com and the .mobi. But when you don't, you stand to lose MAJOR traffic, heck, an entire market segment.

oh god.... is there an absolute answer to everything?

so now if you build a website using a popular country code you lose traffic to the .com..

SO FRIGGIN WHAT.... you take the good with the bad.


cheaper mobi keywords = good

losing traffic = bad

 

[iDName]

brand dilution IS important, especially since .mobi is promoted from a branding point of view.

Besides the branding, there is one very important issue: .mobi is promoted as the extension for mobile websites.

A non savvy domainer would assume that .mobi is ONLY when you're looking at the website from your mobile, and that when you're accessing the website through your PC, you have to use an alternate extension (which is .com, of course).

End result: whenever someone wants to access your website from a PC, you lose ALL that traffic to the .com (which you don't own). Sure, there is traffic leak to the .com on any extension. But with .mobi, it'll be an entire migration.

its all good if you own the .com and the .mobi. But when you don't, you stand to lose MAJOR traffic, heck, an entire market segment.

Another brain washed newbie victim of the .com agenda!

http://www.ejrb.com/dotcom.jpg

 

[sashas]

Another brain washed newbie victim of the .com agenda!

http://www.ejrb.com/dotcom.jpg

another dumbass wannabe comment

quit it. You know what I'm talking of. Your bunch is the .mobi expert. So explain, kindly.

 

[Gerry]

...so now if you build a website using a popular country code you lose traffic to the .com.

MJ, I know this is not your quote but I am quoting you to make it seem like I am picking on everyone.

Traffic is traffic irregardless of the source.

And if someone wants to claim that I am losing traffic to a .com, then I can claim my traffic gained is a result of the .com losing traffic.

These points are ridiculous. Why do people even think typos exist?

So if I have a typo I am losing traffic to the proper spelling? Hell no, I am gaining traffic that the searcher has entered from the misspelling. In other words, I am gaining traffic from the .com.

I have AerialViews.us that made good money last month and a decent conversion. Did I lose traffic to the .com? I lost nothing. I have traffic irregardless of the source. And someone could easily say the .com traffic came to my .us.

Whether we are talking typo or domain extension, to say that one is losing traffic to it's .com counterpart is stupid. Pure and simple stupidity.

Like .com is some big ol' bad *** monster that is going to swallow up traffic from all the TLD and ccTLD's.

 

[sashas]

so now if you build a website using a popular country code you lose traffic to the .com..

SO FRIGGIN WHAT.... you take the good with the bad.

usually, if you use ccTLDs, you target the country of that ccTLD (unless its a brandable hack), so you don't lose THAT much traffic.

Here, you could end up losing an entire market segment. Type-in traffic on generics still shows that most people aren't internet savvy. Have a 100 .mobi websites all promoted with the idea that ".mobi is for mobile" (and that is the promotion basis of all the .mobi sites), and you've drilled into any consumer's head that .mobi is ONLY when the website is accessed through the mobile

 

[iDName]

another dumbass wannabe comment

quit it. You know what I'm talking of. Your bunch is the .mobi expert. So explain, kindly.

Wannabe what? A dot com god?

I own a variety of extensions. .com, .org, .co.uk, .info, .de, .es, .in, .net, .TV, and wait for it........... .mobi! Domain extensions of ALL colours.

 

[katherine]

take note people.... the year is 2008 and people are still saying this: mobile users represent a tiny market.


HA HA HA and HA!


welcome to the clueless peoples club (...there is your flame)

Yes it is a tiny market
Mobile Internet will continue to evolve with or without mobi.
I agree that as quoted in the article above mobi represents the Internet of the past, that is the crippled down experience that consumers are not going to be satisfied with. Because we are in 2008 (thanks for reminding me...)

 

[mjnels]

usually, if you use ccTLDs, you target the country of that ccTLD (unless its a brandable hack), so you don't lose THAT much traffic.

Here, you could end up losing an entire market segment. Type-in traffic on generics still shows that most people aren't internet savvy. Have a 100 .mobi websites all promoted with the idea that ".mobi is for mobile" (and that is the promotion basis of all the .mobi sites), and you've drilled into any consumer's head that .mobi is ONLY when the website is accessed through the mobile

i disagree and i say you are thinking like a domainer.

but neither one of us can really prove either side of this argument.

Yes it is a tiny market
Mobile Internet will continue to evolve with or without mobi.
I agree that as quoted in the article above mobi represents the Internet of the past, that is the crippled down experience that consumers are not going to be satisfied with. Because we are in 2008 (thanks for reminding me...)

buy an iphone.

.mobi is just ONE way to denote a website is for mobile devices or the mobile context.

being able to access full sized websites on an iphone is USEFUL and NECESSARY but NOT IDEAL.

websites optimized for a small screen will become HUGELY popular with the growth of these devices... whether they are on a .mobi domain or not.

 

[Gerry]

I am hoping I wake up from this freaky dream where I am trapped in a bizarre episode of The Wizard of Oz.

Every character in it is the Tin Man. Thousands of them.

And the only thing they can say is, "If I only had a brain."