A few .mobi questions

[Fearless]

Which came first? The chicken or the egg?

Who's on First?

.mobi good or not good?





shut up. get sleep. dont waste your time. If you like .mobi, good. godspeed.
if you hate .mobi, good. godspeed.

What i hate the most is that we are in the same industry but we are challenging each other's knowledge. We are here to make money and support domain exposure and internet traffic.

Bashing each other to prove that we are right more than the other will only delay our success.

Just shut the hell up and support each other. Enough is enough. I have seen no productivity in such bashing.

its still too early to tell the outcome of .mobi. this situation is the same with everything! even .com! Just see what happens. We cannot make justifications nor resolutions .mobi. its not for us to decide! it is our customers.

Smoke something, drink something. just give more support and productivity for each other. we are here to learn from each other and make money. not bash each other.

Enough is enough​

.mobey bashing is a recreational sport and it's a lot of fun. :yes:

 

[Raider]

the way you get accepted is to pop in a thread you know absolutely nothing about and comment as if you were cool.. or "one of the gang"

Another blatant attempt to intimidate members so they stay out of .mobi threads.... That may work on others but it doesn't work on me.

Get a grip, I've been a light hitter in these .mobi threads, purely out of respect for people like you that invested in .mobi's.. What drove me into this one was Doc's disgusting posts against members who have posted VALID arguments... My opinion of .mobi is this; I believe the TLD is completely useless and will eventually DIE just like many others have, I draw that conclusion by reading these endless .mobi threads combined with common sense.... You say you made money reselling mobi's, congratulations to you, I'm truly HAPPY for you!, really. :yes: If you can make more, GO FOR IT!, I just hope your not holding the bag when the bottom falls out.

I came across a well written post a while back and I encourage you to read it, Written by a fellow domainer on FYO..... I believe it's against DNF rules to link to another domain forum, so I wont post the link.


Dot Mobi - The Useless Domain Extension

Posted by dotcom on Saturday, June 30, 2007 - 01:59 PM


Not since the landrush and subsequent turmoil of .eu has there been a domain extension with as much buzz surrounding it. Sadly, much of this buzz is self-manufactured noise by those heavily invested in the domain extension. Outside of the domain investment crowd little if any actual consumers know anything about .mobi. And why should they?

The purveyors of the extension would like to have everyone believe it is the solution - the end all and be all of the entire mobile Internet. As if somehow a domain extension makes a market. The mobile Internet existed before .mobi, and it did so on every other domain extension available to consumers and domain investors. So what happened to make some believe that .mobi is the mobile Internet? Hype, marketing and a single sale made that happen.

The sale of flowers.mobi for $200,000 set off the feeding frenzy. The domain investment field is about making money - at all levels from the registrar on down to those flipping the domains for profit. They could not have wished for a better kick-off for the fledgling extension, especially being that the registrar held back the best domain names for their own future profit. Let's face it - good domain names are good domain names in any extension, but something was twisted along the way with .mobi.

Back to the idea that dotmobi is the mobile Internet. Here is where my contention that it is a useless extension comes in. The set of coding restrictions that imply that it is going to be viewable and accessible to mobile browsers seems like a great idea until you start to think it through. These restrictions which the people responsible for .mobi claim to watch and police are what makes this extension useless. These restrictions are for mobile devices of yesterday. This week saw the unveiling of a new breed of mobile device with the launch of the iPhone by Apple. It doesn't need to rely on restrictive underlying code to display Internet content - it displays a Webmaster's work as they intended it, well as close as a first generation piece of software can anyways. And that is the hitch - the iPhone is but the first in a long string of new devices coming our way.

Already the iPhone has been a hit with consumers. From the BBC, "More than 600 people were outside two Apple stores in New York and at one of them, customers cheered as the doors opened, Reuters news agency said." When you get lines 600 deep you know something is right about the product. But try telling that to the defenders of the status quo when it comes to .mobi. Flip on over to the large domain selling forums and you will see a hard-core group (all heavily invested in .mobi - many with domain names that wouldn't sell in .info, .net or cctld's for more than registration fees) shouting down the arrival of the new Apple product. They ignore that the iPhone will push other mobile makers to meet and exceed the capabilities of the iPhone - and quickly or they will lose market share. But this bit of business 101 common sense is lost on this crowd - on purpose or by…

The usual retort to the above contention is that some cell phone manufacturers invested some money in dotmobi and therefore they wouldn't abandon it. These people are delusional if they think these companies wouldn't ditch dotmobi in a split second if it meant either protecting profits or increasing them. They are in the business to make money, not to hold technology back, and most certainly not to protect an Internet domain name extension.

As a web developer I can tell you that designing for a shrinking market, which is the older mobile browsers, is a waste of time and money. Users of mobile devices count for low single digit percentages of Internet viewers each day. So why design a dot mobi domain for a device that is going extinct? What then happens to the 'mobile' extension and the restrictions placed upon it? If you no longer need restrictive coding to view a web page dot mobi will either have to stick to their original plan and see users drop, or drop the restrictions and become just another ordinary extension - an ugly unknown one at that. No, all of my development for the mobile Internet will be done using existing applications on active tlds like .com, .net and .info on top of various cctlds. You don't have to worry about the vast majority of users (those on traditional computer desktops) being dissuaded by your sparse website like those exemplified by dot mobi, and you can still direct the few mobile visitors to content crafted for the smaller viewing screens. You get the best of both worlds - and no such thing exists with a dotmobi website right now, nor can it in the future with the restrictions placed upon it.

As the new generation of mobile devices takes hold - which it most assuredly will, you can code as you always have without fear of losing visitors.

To those that bought in early on dotmobi and have reaped huge sales - well good for you and your ability to play the market. There is nothing wrong with turning a handsome profit. To those still buying mediocre to lousy .mobi domains because you are convinced that it is the future of the mobile Internet - you need to give your head a shake and stop listening to the ever-shrinking booster crowd. You may be about to lose a bundle of money on an ill thought-out domain extension. They continue to boost the domain extension for a reason - and that reason has nothing to do with you and your investment and everything to do with their own.

 

[Fearless]

To those still buying mediocre to lousy .mobi domains because you are convinced that it is the future of the mobile Internet - you need to give your head a shake and stop listening to the ever-shrinking booster crowd. You may be about to lose a bundle of money on an ill thought-out domain extension. They continue to boost the domain extension for a reason - and that reason has nothing to do with you and your investment and everything to do with their own.

Every new member to a domain forum should be forced to memorize this. And like the warning on a package of cigarettes, it should be prominently displayed on the first page.

 

[Focus]

.mobi ? never heard of it..lol

 

[Raider]

Every new member to a domain forum should be forced to memorize this. And like the warning on a package of cigarettes, it should be prominently displayed on the first page.

If only I could fit it into my signature.

 

[sashas]

And like the warning on a package of cigarettes, it should be prominently displayed on the first page.

actually that might entice newbies to get more. Reverse psychology. Hell, it worked with Alvaro.

 

[iDName]

Wow, so many uninspiring people out there! :asleep:

 

[Focus]

News flash - .mobi is big scam! Don't buy into it..spend your money on .com domains and keep our industry strong & pure!

 

[sashas]

another question (and no Doc, you don't have to start bitching again): What happens if, say, you own XYZ.mobi, and someone uses it on his PC? Does he see the same watered down mobile page, or are there ways to show a full fledged PC site?

 

[whitebark]

Oh no! Not that article from FYO.ca! LOL

You would think it contained information on how to prepare and eat little children. The site was spammed, I was harassed even though I didn't write it, and the person who did was hounded to no end. All for an opinion. I remember telling the mobi boosters they could have a counter-article published if they wished but not one stepped forward beyond chucking vitriol at me and the website.

 

[Gerry]

Wow, the massive amount of bullshit being spewed on page 8.

Are each of you spoon feeding each other?

Why do you all want to waste you time quoting domainers quoting domainers?

In the meantime, the corporate world is picking this up, using it, and launching their sites.

Why? They are not domainers.

So if you have issues and really, really, really want to put a stop to this then start you own grassroots.org, organize all your collective thoughts into one letter and send it out to all nations, all governments, and businesses.

Here, I will help get you started:

Dear whomever it may concern,

It has recently come to our attention that you are either using or considering using a .mobi domain name for a mobile website.

We, the Domainers Against Mobi Name Services (DAMNS), find this unacceptable.

Our reasons are:

We don't like it.

Should you decide to develop and launch a .mobi website, we will boycott your product.

Then you will see that we are serious.

Thank you and long live DAMNS.

Best Regards,

{insert names here}

p.s.: see the attached list of domain extensions we have approved.

One page should do it, I would think. Perhaps two with all the names you gather of people who find this to be a troubling trend.

I will even let you use my damns.mobi domain to launch you effort.

 

[iDName]

News flash - .mobi is big scam! Don't buy into it..spend your money on .com domains and keep our industry strong & pure!

"HAIL DOT COM!" "DOT COM POWER!" :horn:

 

[Gerry]

Ooops forgot, Eva...thanks for pointing out "What drove me into this one was Doc's disgusting posts against members...".

I hope you didn't hurt yourself trying to find an article that supports your and everyone else's valid argument of "we don't need it" research.

I am really glad science and technology does not quantify nor qualify the "we don't need it" mantra.

I am very familiar with that article. And seeing that you support that thought so much, contact the writer and ask him why he will not respond to emails sent nor post responses to his article.

Okay, I am on my way into work.

Pretend I am here and continue to bash.

 

[jasdon11]

I've got to say, I used to believe that a lot of the early domainers were visionaries, and to be regarded with a certain esteem within the industry for spotting what the rest of us missed.

Since all this .mobi bashing by many of them, here and on their blogs etc, it has become blatently obvious that they are far from what I thought - they should thank their lucky stars that they were in the right place at the right time; probably introduced to the industry by a true visionary further up the line. If not they might've been flipping burgers right now...

There are obvious exceptions, but they are the minority.

Given a level playing field now, I think they'd flounder. When people talk of extensions dying, it just doesn't make sense. I reg'd a three word .ws several days ago, stuck up a mini site, and it's covered half it's reg fee back in a week - it doesn't matter how lame the extension is - it's what you do with the name that counts - and if you can't see past parking for monetization....

 

[iDName]

http://www.ejrb.com/dotcom.jpg :disappointed:

 

[sashas]

Given a level playing field now, I think they'd flounder. When people talk of extensions dying, it just doesn't make sense. I reg'd a three word .ws several days ago, stuck up a mini site, and it's covered half it's reg fee back in a week - it doesn't matter how lame the extension is - it's what you do with the name that counts - and if you can't see past parking for monetization....

Thats the whole thing. Once developed, a good website in ANY extension would do well. Just look at the Alexa top 500. Not ever site is .com (though most are). Look at Wretch.cc - crap extension, but top 40 Alexa rank.

So for a developer, an extension doesn't matter, as long as the site is marketed properly. A top of the line name in a top extension makes your marketing and brand building a lot easier, but its not a prerequisite to making a popular site; its just a big advantage.

However, in my views, a domainer is NOT a developer. A domainer is one who makes money parking and selling names based on their intrinsic value. The three word .ws you mentioned wouldn't have made back its reg fees, or be sold to an end user/reseller if you hadn't developed it.

I'll agree that most domainers are also developers, but by definition, a domainer is strictly a parker/seller of domain names. And we're discussing .mobi from a domainer's perspective, not a developer's. So the development angle doesn't work.

 

[Gerry]

To those that bought in early on dotcom and have reaped huge sales - well good for you and your ability to play the market. There is nothing wrong with turning a handsome profit. To those still buying mediocre to lousy .com domains because you are convinced that it is the future of the PC and mobile Internet - you need to give your head a shake and stop listening to the ever-shrinking booster crowd. You may be about to lose a bundle of money on an ill thought-out domain names. They continue to boost the domain extension for a reason - and that reason has nothing to do with you and your investment and everything to do with their own.

My opinion of .mobi is this; I believe the TLD is completely useless and will eventually DIE just like many others have, I draw that conclusion by reading these endless .mobi threads combined with common sense...

How thought provoking and inspiring. An opinion based on the opinion of others.

 

[namewaiter]

News flash - .mobi is big scam! Don't buy into it..spend your money on .com domains and keep our industry strong & pure!

and there it is

another question (and no Doc, you don't have to start bitching again): What happens if, say, you own XYZ.mobi, and someone uses it on his PC? Does he see the same watered down mobile page, or are there ways to show a full fledged PC site?

yes, there is (i wouldn't know how) but it's allowed

 

[mjnels]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha naysayers........

i bought mobi early when i was being laughed at for paying $60 for keywords...

HA HA HA HA !


i win. you people lose.

its as simple as that... mobi sells for money now... if i listened to the narrow minded shit here i would have never bought mobi...


Matt - 1

Shit Talkers - 0



Anyone that has a problem with .mobi and owns .info, .ws, .biz, etc....listen carefully: I WIN AND YOU LOSE.


THIS IS A GAME OF NUMBERS YOU HARD HEADED DOMAINERS!

YOU___ALL___ARE___THINKING___TOO___DEEPLY___ABOUT___THIS !

 

[Vision]

Dot Mobi - The Useless Domain Extension

Posted by dotcom on Saturday, June 30, 2007 - 01:59 PM

Raider posts an old editorial rant penned by a dotMobi smear merchant from JUNE!

How pathetic:disappointed:

Lets take a closer look at the cold hard facts that have happened since JUNE.

Since June we have seen the adoption, launch and promotion of several dotMobi sites by Fortune 1000 companies:

Mobile Banking:
Bank of America - BofA.mobi
Wachovia - Wachovia.mobi
Deutsche Bank (Germany) - Deutsche-Bank.mobi
Barclays (UK) - Barclays.mobi
La Caixa (Spain) - LaCaixa.mobi
Standard Bank (South-Africa) - SBcell.mobi
UniCredit Group (Italy) - UniCreditGroup.mobi
Kreissparkasse Stade (Germany) - Ksk-Stade.mobi

Financial Services
Fidelity.mobi
Ing.mobi
AXA.mobi

Insurance
StateFarm.mobi
Allstate.mobi

Automotive
Ferrari.mobi
BMW.mobi
Rolls-Royce.mobi
FordCA.mobi (Ford Canada)
JaguarXF.mobi
VolvoCars.mobi
Opel.mobi

Hotels
Marriott.mobi
DoubleTree.mobi
Sheraton.mobi

Airlines
AirFrance.mobi
Iberia.mobi
SAS.mobi

Transportation
Amtrak.mobi
AAA.mobi (American Automobile Association)
Castrol.mobi

Sports
ESPN.mobi
NBA.mobi
WNBA.mobi
UFC.mobi

Magazines
Time.mobi (Time Magazine)
BusinessWeek.mobi
CNNMoney.mobi

Beverages
Smirnoff.mobi

Entertainment:
Fox.mobi
TBS.mobi
USANetwork.mobi
Marvel.mobi
Spiderman.mobi
HSM2.mobi (Disney's High School Musical)

Internet
MSN.mobi
GoDaddy.mobi / TDNAM.mobi
Netsol.mobi (Network Solutions)

Technology
Cisco.mobi

News
FoxNews.mobi
ABCNews.mobi
AlJazeera.mobi

Newspapers
TheSun.mobi

Guides
Zagat.mobi

Mobile Operators
T-Mobile.mobi
Three.mobi
Vodafone.mobi
TIM.mobi
Orange.mobi
ChinaMobile.mobi

Mobile Manufacturers
Nokia.mobi
SonyEricsson.mobi

Telecommunications
Ericsson.mobi
3Skype.mobi

Weather
Weather.mobi (The Weather Channel)

Cities, States & Countries
Dublin.mobi
Helsinki.mobi
Barcelona.mobi
InformNY.mobi (New York State Department of Transportation)

Clothing
Polo.mobi
BenettonPress.mobi (United Colors of Benetton)

Airports
Schiphol.mobi (Amsterdam)

NGO's
WWF.mobi (World Wildlife Fund)
SalvationArmy.mobi

NOKIA launched 6 .mobi sites
1.) Nokia.mobi
2.) ForumNokia.mobi/
3.) Mosh.Nokia.mobi/
4.) NokiaforBusiness.mobi - By the way..this dotMobi site arrives preloaded as the default in several NOKIA phones in Europe.
5.) s60.mobi
6.) Medeo.mobi

And, the many $xxx,xxx and $xx,xxx sales.

The dotMobi smear merchants are desperate, drudging up and slinging around old, tired editorials/opines not based upon current real-time conditions of the marketplace.

Heck, if you conduct a comprehensive analysis today with respect to anything based solely upon an JUNE editorial, a retard would tell you to get lost!

Hmmm....lets follow the premise of the naysayers...lets base our decisions from June editorials, June punditry.

June...I've dug up June data & writings from my file cabinet... well looky here, Rudy Giuliani will be elected President based all these forecasts, and punditry I'm reading....

June...seasoned weather experts wrote that in Fall 2007 the U.S. would be ravaged by several intense hurricanes....I guess I should start boarding up?

June...the stock market is sizzling...hmmmm... time to buy now?

dotMobi is the little guy. The average Joe. Or Joanne.

Often dismissed. More often ignored. And on most elitist corners of domain forums, much more often disparaged.

Dumb money to their "old guard" dotcom, dotnet smart money. I'm not so sure about that.

I've been domaining since October 1999, involved with businesses for several years now, and you know what I've discovered?

Smart people do dumb things -- like condescendingly tell others how/what to do with their money.

They're stunned we have the audacity to buy .mobi domains. Stunned more that several Fortune 1000 companies like Barclays, Disney, ING, Bank of America, ESPN, BMW, Nokia, Smirnoff, ABCNews, Ferrari, AXA, MSN and others build and market their MobileWeb sites using the .mobi extension.

Some of us have the gall to smile.

I'm sure we do. Which is why we do buy dotMobi domains, invest/speculate in the dotMobi namespace, and help build the MobileWeb.

We trust our instincts. And not the mobiphobic forecasts.

The ones that said all the dotMobi Auctions would fail, but didn't. Or that dotMobi would be miserable for businesses and the domain industry, but wasn't.

Smart people get things wrong.

We see that. It's a pity, the dotMobi smear merchants do not.

Michael