Another Scandal rocks the domain world as Rick Schwartz outs Chef Patrick!

[DaddyHalbucks]

Obviously it is a big deal to many, many more people based on all the blogs that picked it up and the sides being taken.

Would anyone ever have known about this if someone else did not disclose it? Would Oversee have admitted a system breach? No. Would CP have eventually blogged about manipulation of privacy for his personal use? No.

That is what I do not understand...blaming someone else for ratting someone else out and then down playing the whole spat and act as if it was jealousy.

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Yes, three months after what happened and only when someone else made it an issue.

Otherwise, this would have been a non-issue such as Halverez doing his business even though members here raised suspicions and inquiries to Moniker/Oversee as much as two years before that story unfolded.

I can not get over all the people who are taking sides blaming Rick for disclosing this as an act of jealousy. I guess all the other DNF members who reported Halverez were just jealous because they did not get the name...never thinking for a moment that someone on the inside had access to all this information, max bids, etc. Nope, just a bunch of jealous whiney domainers.

Point is, too much attention is being taken away from the act (what I consider to be a very serious act) and deflected attention to matters that have nothing to do with the act - violation of privacy for personal gain.

How much of the inner workings of the company do you need to know?

The employee was terminated. That seems like a pretty strong rebuke of his actions.

 

[tonyfloyd]

doc...halvarez did his dirty deed on many domains for a long time.....Chef did it once on one domain....he didnt breach the CIA for christ's sake......

 

[Bill Roy]

The problem is that CP was not fired immediately, indeed it would seem a cover-up was attempted, RS was told by Moniker that CP would be dismissed and yet it took circa 3 months to dismiss him - and then it would seem from what was disclosed the parting was amicable! How the hell does firing someone on the spot for a breach of customer confidentiality become delayed for three months and is amicable?

Obviously some people have a lower standard of what they expect in this industry than others, one must therefore suppose this in itself must distinguish itself in more ways than one concerning these domainers.

Thank you RS for exposing both the individual concerned and the lack of respect and action by Moniker.com and Oversee.com towards those who use these companies - they have truly shown themselves (the Directors and Officers of the companys involved) to be totally oblivious to the welfare of its customers.

And to those that say CP only did it once a simple question - how the hell do you KNOW this? In fact how the hell do we know this is not common practise in a company that has already been involved in one of the biggest frauds against domainers known? There must be some really dumb a****s in the domaining industry if they think they can trust the word of Moniker or Oversee.

 

[tonyfloyd]

Thank you RS for exposing both the individual concerned and the lack of respect and action by Moniker.com and Oversee.com towards those who use these companies - they have truly shown themselves (the Directors and Officers of the companys involved) to be totally oblivious to the welfare of its customers.

Why doesn't Rick disclose the person who regged the domain.....is he someone close to Rick?....will it show Rick's involvement?....riddle me that batman...

 

[A D]

Chef did it once on one domain

None of us will know this for sure unless ALL the facts are revealed and they won't be.

Moniker Data in the wrong hands is what people are concerned about not Chef Patrick.

-=DCG=-

 

[tonyfloyd]

Adam....all the facts as to what he did are revealed.....he looked up the whois of the domain chefpatricksucks.com that was regged at Moniker (where he worked) and which was pointed to gay porn....he didn't spend 2 months looking up the whois on everyday damn privacy domain at Moniker.....

 

[A D]

There are also quite a few Moniker employees with accounts here that usually respond to any and all sales issues.

Odd they haven't commented on this thread at all.

-=DCG=-

 

[A D]

....he didn't spend 2 months looking up the whois on everyday damn privacy domain at Moniker.....

... and you know this how?

Are we to assume you are speaking on behalf of Moniker by the above statement?

Because only Moniker would know that.

-=DCG=-

 

[tonyfloyd]

... and you know this how?

-=DCG=-

because that's what the big brouhaha is all about......bottom line is....he and Moniker got baited/set-up....and exposed by Slick Rick.....i wonder why he exposed it....was he involved somehow???.........it's called NYC street smarts......no CSI Miami needed...

 

[Bill Roy]

Why doesn't Rick disclose the person who regged the domain.....is he someone close to Rick?....will it show Rick's involvement?....riddle me that batman...

1) RS does not have to
2) The registrant did not break any laws or rules
3) The owner wishes to remain anonymous and paid Moniker/Oversee for that service
4) It has absolutely no bearing on the breach of confidentiality by CP
5) It has absolutely no bearing on the lack of immediate action by Moniker/Oversee
6) It has absolutely no bearing on the obvious attempted cover up by Moniker/Oversee
7) Only idiots seem to accept it as part of the 'blame shift' strategy by the offendent/s (CP, Moniker, Oversee)

Perhaps you would now answer my questions.

a) How tthe hell do you KNOW that this is the only occassion CP breached client confidentiality?
b) How do you know this is not common practise at Moniker/Oversee?
c) Why do you think it took 3 months for the culprit to get fired (amicably)?
d) If you really are into B***S**t that much I know a lot of farmers who can sell you tonnes of the stuff!

 

[FormerDnForumer]

All this faux outrage is priceless. This is a totally minor league issue compared to halvarez. That one meant something very big.

Rick is on the right side of this, but Rick being Rick, classless, coarse and Mr. Exclamation(!), he just ends up degrading the whole thing into one giant cesspool, and the same old pro/anti Rick parade rolls through town again.

Take my word: If Oversee couldn't be nailed on an outrageous shilling scandal, they'll just glide through this one scot free again. Sure, Moniker might suffer (and if they were smart they'd pay Monte a raft of cash to come back) but who cares? You don't think other registrars noodle with your data? Pffft.

 

[Gerry]

Why is it Rick's duty to reveal who regged the name?

That is not his responsibility NOR is it the issue.

Even if he did reveal who regged it, it is NOT his responsibility NOR is it his duty to reveal who owns it.

That is why Bank of American recently regged hundreds of domains IN ADVANCE OF the release of the Wikileaks documents.

It is nobody's duty to reveal who regged a name protected by privacy.

This whole matter is absurd and even a non-issue. A person who regged RyanAirSucks was not a competitor but rather a person who did not like their service and provided a spot for other people to complain. BankOfAmericaSucks is a blog and forum, not a competitor.

Now, guess what? BOFAsucks dot com is owned by Bank of America. Why? Because they regged it. They regged it before someone else does and NOT to protect their brand. They know a firestorm is about to come from Wikileaks.

Mobisucks dot com...who gives a shit about that name, that owner, etc. Someone is using that name to convey their opinion.

This has NOTHING to do with competitors or jealousy but EVERYTHING to do with a person who ILLEGALLY accessed the system for personal gains.

I guess CP should have regged it himself. You want to be a celebrity? You want to have fans? Be ready to have some non-fans. DocComSucks is available and there is no need to waste money on privacy protection because i would not give a shit who regged it.



This matter is about Privacy Protection. If the name did not have privacy protection this would be a dead issue and no one would give a shit. But because it WAS privacy protected and because that PRIVACY WAS BREACHED...that is the one and only issue.

It does not matter if Rick regged it, CP regged it, Jesus Christ regged it, I regged it, or who owns it, and why. It is absolutely NO ONE's responsibility to disclose WHO OWNS it as it is privacy protected.

 

[tonyfloyd]

Doc.....u missing the motives behind why rick and his team did what they did.....when they did it....how they did it...to whom they did it.....etc...think about it for 1 minute....that's all it takes man.....and it makes complete sense.....it was a perfectly mastered plan.....

 

[Gerry]

What? think about a minute? So Rick made Chef go into the computers and look up confidential information? And then Rick dialed the phone for Chef and connected him to the registrant?

Otherwise, yes...I am missing the motives and how this act of physically entering into a network of secured(?) data and physically looking up who regged a name is Rick's fault.

Am I taking the side of Rick? Hell no! I am taking the side of common sense. And what ever reason someone concocts or conspiracy theory people want to use to downplay the actual act - is total bullshit.






Man, I hope all of you are so forgiving when your data or privacy is compromised by whatever means, and no matter the circumstance.

Think about it a minute...the only thing Chef is sorry for is getting caught. He had a sweet ride and a sweet job and he's sorry to see that go.

 

[tonyfloyd]

Doc...wake up man....this is all about TRAFFIC vs DomainFEST.....with Chef (DNCruise) in the middle.....used as a pawn to be able to blast away at Moniker...which is part of Oversee...which runs DomainFEST.....masterful plan executed by Rick and his cronies....and this privacy issue incident is a BIG way for Rick (aka TRAFFIC) to drive negative publicity towards his BIG competitor to whom he is losing many attendees....have u ever been to a TRAFFIC show...and to DomainFEST??.....if not...go to each and then come back to me and tell me which one you'll never go back to again..........and when u never go back to that one again....do u know how much dinero Rick and Co is losing out on??...........that's what he really cares about here....and then throw in another newcomer with his own conference (DNCruise) and voila....time for Rick and his boys to execute his plan.....


from his site....read the words.....

"No conference in the world has ever matched the T.R.A.F.F.I.C. Show for its opportunity and dedication to business;....."
"T.R.A.F.F.I.C. began on Florida's beaches, and the biggest and best shows of the domain industry have always happened in the Sunshine State."

 

[Bill Roy]

TonyFloyd, wake up and realise that this IS all about how CP breached the 'privacy' service supposedly supplied by Moniker and paid for by their clients and about the lack of action by Moniker/Oversee against the person who purposefully breached that service. It is now developing into WHY Moniker/Oversee is not doing anything about it.

Can I ask what kind of fetish have you got about RS? It would seem from your conspiracy posts that next you will be saying 'Can RS prove he was not in Dallas in '63?'

If you have any hard evidence of anything then publish it here, otherwise carry on concocting your conspiracy theories and keep getting ridiculed for them.

By the way you still have not answered my questions in post #150 above. So surely that would make you simply a 'mud-slinger' who does not debate points because you actually have no answers.

 

[Gerry]

have u ever been to a TRAFFIC show...and to DomainFEST??.....if not...go to each and then come back to me and tell me which one you'll never go back to again

I have no desire to ever go to either and this further entrenches my conviction to stay away.

It does not matter one iota who believes what and why.

No hypothesis excuses the act.

 

[katherine]

Adam....all the facts as to what he did are revealed.....he looked up the whois of the domain chefpatricksucks.com that was regged at Moniker (where he worked) and which was pointed to gay porn....he didn't spend 2 months looking up the whois on everyday damn privacy domain at Moniker.....

Indeed, the offending domain was no ordinary domain.
It was a domain registered with Moniker, that personally targeted a Moniker employee.

The lesson to be drawn from this:

• the whole incident was blown out of proportion
• whois privacy is a joke in general, and will not protect you against angry parties
• when you register controversial domains and piss somebody isn't normal to expect possible problems ? If you can't stand the shit stay out of the kitchen

And I'm not defending CP. Both parties played with matches and got their fingers burnt. Stuff happens.

 

[Bill Roy]

Katherine, the other way to look at it is this way - would you do business with those that think breaches of privacy are acceptable, or with a company that charges you for a service and then does nothing against a perpertrator who breaks that service apart from trying to cover up the breach when they are informed of it? I know I would and will not, from your posts it is evident you think differently.

 

[Gerry]

I don't understand this "look at the facts" nonsense. I am.

It is really a very, very simple matter that others want to cloud it over with conspiracy theories.

The questions I would ask would have a very simple yes or no answer.

Facts...not coincidental, conjectural, hypothetical, conspiracy laden perceptions of the event.