Apple iPhone could hurt the .mobi extension

[muris]

We're gonna have sooooooo much fun with you guys come renewal dates...!

I bet I’ll see lots of names dropped and prices going down because of this, but this is quite normal reaction at the time of first renewal - after this market should go up in a stable manner.
And BTW – I’m planning on investing in mobis around that time. Can’t miss it – it’s like the second landrush.

 

[mjnels]

The poor suckers left holding the bag.

If you haven't noticed, .mobi panic has set in. The big dump is deflating the hot air balloon.

good job.. you must be learning from some of those hypesters you speak of.

 

[maroulis]

I buried it and all your BS in your Texas backwoods



Not true. I encourage you to visit the other forum.

Poor Maroulis, MOBI is winning the day and I love that it bothers you

Not sure which one is the "OTHER" forum, I do know though that Jeremy is not saying much on .mobi front on Rick's forum..

 

[Duckinla]

It would be funny if they sent anything without a dot to .com.

You know, there could be some interesting legalities to this. Setting a default probably isn't something you can do arbitrarily, without resistance. I could see where you could set .com, because it was the first. I could see where you could set a countrycode for phones in that country. But as for setting it to mobi, net, org, etc, seems the people who own .com sites would have plenty of room for legal arguement.

Even if it were legal, why would a phone company set the default to take you to an extension that's 99% empty when there is a perfectly good extension to use at .com?

 

[touchring]

Well, there are 3 distinctive markets for idns, there are "flee market" flippers from china (particularly so for chinese idns), there are american or european flippers (these will sell with asking prices like 10-100 times the former), and there is the drop catch market.

IDN buyers are spoilt - we mostly go for prime generics and commercial terms mostly - it's not like ascii ppl go for typos, trademarks, and other junks.

Out of 20 chinese or japanese domains on sale on forums or that drops i am interested in, i usually get only 1 - because the other 19 are too expensive or others took it first.

How much you have to pay will depend on where you buy your names, and how willing you are to walk away if the price is not correct. If you are one of those that play Snap, and you are determined to win all the time - you'll end up paying $xxxx to $xx,xxx even a name, and also get the honor of getting your purchase announced on DNJ. k:

That being said, the market for IDN is very different from ASCII - it is more sophiscated and complex, and if you don't know how to play it well, you might get pissed off like Domainengineer frmo DS. :lol::lol::lol:

Not dumping yet, but I do see some very strange things going on...some wonderful IDN .com and .net in Chinese on the market. Very odd that these would be appearing with asking prices that they are wanting...TOO GOOD which has made me skeptical.

But the announcements and press releases that I see coming out of China leads me to believe that after the Olympics, the push will be on for the IDN and nationwide adoption of .cn. I am of the belief that this will not be optional and that any business or venture doing business in .cn will have to abide by these standards...something like BestBuy.com and BestBuy.cn (only used as an example).

By the way, I'm not dumping my Asian IDN's...I like them to much.

The news coming out of Spain is pretty astounding, in my opinion. They have placed some restrictions on who gets to reg what. So that has me looking at the spanish market pretty heavy.

It is apparent that many feel the bastard child .mobi should have been aborted before it left the womb.

 

[DNWizardX9]

The cheap IDNs are not of high calibre. Most are yesterday regs. The premiums are being held onto and will be worth $xxx,xxx in the future.

Keep in mind if a Chinese person flips for $20-$30 it may be a days pay. The standards of living are lower in China at the moment due to the economy. You can look online at the average yearly earnings. The Chinese can make a mint if you they sell as little as 5 IDNs a week.

 

[touchring]

The cheap IDNs are not of high calibre. Most are yesterday regs. The premiums are being held onto and will be worth $xxx,xxx in the future.

Keep in mind if a Chinese person flips for $20-$30 it may be a days pay. The standards of living are lower in China at the moment due to the economy. You can look online at the average yearly earnings. The Chinese can make a mint if you they sell as little as 5 IDNs a week.

Yes, it's about getting names at the best prices. Chinese wages vary greatly from city to city. A high school graduate from a small city in Yunnan province might earn only $150 a mth, and even flipping for $20-$30 is enormous profit. OTOH, you can have a professional working in shanghai for a foriegn company for $1500 a mth.

But, individual pay should not be a guage for the potential value of IDNs - to take example, there are billionaires in India that earn their billion selling $1 to 200 million people every year!

 

[Gerry]

Well, there are 3 distinctive markets for idns, there are "flee market" flippers from china (particularly so for chinese idns), there are american or european flippers (these will sell with asking prices like 10-100 times the former), and there is the drop catch market.

IDN buyers are spoilt - we mostly go for prime generics and commercial terms mostly - it's not like ascii ppl go for typos, trademarks, and other junks.

Out of 20 chinese or japanese domains on sale on forums or that drops i am interested in, i usually get only 1 - because the other 19 are too expensive or others took it first.

How much you have to pay will depend on where you buy your names, and how willing you are to walk away if the price is not correct. If you are one of those that play Snap, and you are determined to win all the time - you'll end up paying $xxxx to $xx,xxx even a name, and also get the honor of getting your purchase announced on DNJ. k:

That being said, the market for IDN is very different from ASCII - it is more sophiscated and complex, and if you don't know how to play it well, you might get pissed off like Domainengineer frmo DS. :lol::lol::lol:

ASCII will be quite interesting. Still learning. I've been getting a few symbols (like dingbats) for the novelty but mostly for their graphic nature and usability as pointers and redirects (if that makes sense with outgoing into to much detail).

Regardless of the nature or the quality, I am not putting much money in them at all, usually reg fee. I guess I am going more on a historical (Chinese History) perspective and cultural curve when registering the Chinese IDN's. But I think I have managed to get a few select one that were not regged.

I do not know this Domainengineer. But I do know a tremendous amount of domainers that have not come from behind their screens they are facing at this very moment to see that their is a whole bunch of new stuff on the very near horizon. Some may like it, most will not. Bottom line, it is out of our hands and our of our control.

IDN? out of our hands. China wanting to control the greatest number of domains? out of our control. Mobi becoming a success in the far east and India? out of our control. The Weather Channel lauching TWC.mobi? out of our control.

As for the .mobi dump, there is a way to measure that based on the .mobi registrations vs. the number of mobis dropped. But I wonder if there is a way to measure the mdomainname.com (all the "m" registrations as if it is a typo) that have been regged over the past few weeks. My guesstimation would be perhaps in the hundreds of thousands just based on the bragging I have seen on some of the threads.

No matter what you type in starting with an m, it seems to be regged. Not just in a dot com.

The bubble burst on the stock market several years back. The housing bubble is more recent. I thing there may be an internet bubble bursting. But I don't see that being spelled .mobi. I think the market share for one will grow substantially while the market share for another will diminish significantly. The internet is about to become a very very fractured place in the next couple of years and I am not sure people are prepared for it or will like it.

Stay tuned, bookmark this thread, every one meet back here a year from now, and

By the way getting back to the original matter:

Re: Apple iPhone could hurt the .mobi extension

What was the argument that this was going to hurt the .mobi extension? It can connect to the web?

Powerful argument.

 

[maroulis]

ASCII will be quite interesting. Still learning. I've been getting a few symbols (like dingbats) for the novelty but mostly for their graphic nature and usability as pointers and redirects (if that makes sense with outgoing into to much detail).

Regardless of the nature or the quality, I am not putting much money in them at all, usually reg fee. I guess I am going more on a historical (Chinese History) perspective and cultural curve when registering the Chinese IDN's. But I think I have managed to get a few select one that were not regged.

I do not know this Domainengineer. But I do know a tremendous amount of domainers that have not come from behind their screens they are facing at this very moment to see that their is a whole bunch of new stuff on the very near horizon. Some may like it, most will not. Bottom line, it is out of our hands and our of our control.

IDN? out of our hands. China wanting to control the greatest number of domains? out of our control. Mobi becoming a success in the far east and India? out of our control. The Weather Channel lauching TWC.mobi? out of our control.

As for the .mobi dump, there is a way to measure that based on the .mobi registrations vs. the number of mobis dropped. But I wonder if there is a way to measure the mdomainname.com (all the "m" registrations as if it is a typo) that have been regged over the past few weeks. My guesstimation would be perhaps in the hundreds of thousands just based on the bragging I have seen on some of the threads.

No matter what you type in starting with an m, it seems to be regged. Not just in a dot com.

The bubble burst on the stock market several years back. The housing bubble is more recent. I thing there may be an internet bubble bursting. But I don't see that being spelled .mobi. I think the market share for one will grow substantially while the market share for another will diminish significantly. The internet is about to become a very very fractured place in the next couple of years and I am not sure people are prepared for it or will like it.

Stay tuned, bookmark this thread, every one meet back here a year from now, and

By the way getting back to the original matter:

Re: Apple iPhone could hurt the .mobi extension

What was the argument that this was going to hurt the .mobi extension? It can connect to the web?

Powerful argument.

Well if your memory serves you right (and I know Vision has a VERY selective memory) you should search the thread 6 months ago about the IPHONE + MOBI and how GREAT it was going to be for the mobile web and the MOBI LMFAO

I think waiting for a full year, is not going to change things much

PS I quoted all of your text so we can a) preserve it and b) have a nice laugh down the line
PS2 I see Vision lurking, but doesn't dare to respond to my original question "Which one is the OTHER forum and why is it that Jeremy doesn't say ANYTHING at Rick's?"

 

[DNWizardX9]

ASCII will be quite interesting. Still learning. I've been getting a few symbols (like dingbats) for the novelty but mostly for their graphic nature and usability as pointers and redirects (if that makes sense with outgoing into to much detail).

drop the dingbats - they are already being wiped out in the newest idn guidelines to be released soon.

 

[touchring]

Regardless of the nature or the quality, I am not putting much money in them at all, usually reg fee. I guess I am going more on a historical (Chinese History) perspective and cultural curve when registering the Chinese IDN's. But I think I have managed to get a few select one that were not regged.

Yes, i think it would be a challenge to get anything worth money at reg fee today. Even the few chinese names like �*盟.net/franchise.net, 财务.net/finance .net, 写�*�楼.net/office.net, etc, which i bought recently for like $60-$100 each are .nets - i rarely pay more than $200 for any idn.

However, if there were to be an internet bubble or stock market bubble burst in the short term, it would mean more opportunities in the IDN arena since this is a future growth area and would be among the first to recover from any burst.

 

[DNWizardX9]

touchring put their unicode up - dnforum is one of the few domainforums that does not have proper utf-8 formatting

 

[Gerry]

drop the dingbats - they are already being wiped out in the newest idn guidelines to be released soon.

Actually, I am not sure they are dingbats (that just what I called them) © ®, as an example, are a few of the forms I own along with many greek symbols and so on. Being a designer in a previous career had drawn me to these.

 

[DNWizardX9]

The symbol domains are in the same boat

 

[Gerry]

Yes, i think it would be a challenge to get anything worth money at reg fee today.

However, if there were to be an internet bubble or stock market bubble burst in the short term, it would mean more opportunities in the IDN arena since this is a future growth area and would be among the first to recover from any burst.

万维天罗地网.net, 降福.com, 京戏.net, 地坛.net, 观看视频.com are but a few of them (several will not reproduce here).

If you would like to take a look at all (57 total I believe) including several single character to "assess my mess" I'll be glad to send a PM.

The symbol domains are in the same boat

Always something to learn.

 

[DNWizardX9]

万维天罗地网.net, 降福.com, 京戏.net, 地坛.net, 观看视频.com are but a few of them (several will not reproduce here).

If you would like to take a look at all (57 total I believe) including several single character to "assess my mess" I'll be glad to send a PM.

Kinda funny that those people who are anti IDN don't hold premium idns. They hold third tier names. They are late to the market and are jealous.

Get an account with dynadot for the 5 day refund period.

 

[Gerry]

...5 day refund period.

Moniker offers 4 days (96 hours).

If the symbol or IDN is showing up on the UTF-8 Browser test, do they still run the risk of being done away with? There is a ton of info out there on IDN but is there anyone place for the new guidelines...what goes and what stays?

 

[touchring]

Kinda funny that those people who are anti IDN don't hold premium idns. They hold third tier names. They are late to the market and are jealous.

Not just IDNs, I think most of us that went into domains during the boom times paid our "lesson fees".

The koreans also paid big price when the punycode converter had a bug for hangul - thousands of names dropped the past few mths. Even natives are not spared.

CNN paid like $15000 for TV.com back in 1996, too much to pay?

Moniker offers 4 days (96 hours).

If the symbol or IDN is showing up on the UTF-8 Browser test, do they still run the risk of being done away with? There is a ton of info out there on IDN but is there anyone place for the new guidelines...what goes and what stays?

One sentence does it all:

Check the .net and .ctld for clues.

It works most of the time, the only danger is registering a trademark - for non-adult/gambling names, you can identify trademarks by checking if there are google ads on google.cltd. If there is only 1 or 2, and from ebay, and online stores, it might be a TM.

 

[Fearless]

Hey let's get back on topic. Bashing .mobis.

 

[Gerry]

They are late to the market and are jealous.

The same may be true for the .mobi. I was not a landrush mobi person. Did not reg my first one until mid-January after much independent study and research. Learned a tremendous amount.

I knew nothing about IDN until I joined the forums. Asked a lot of questions, studied trends and markets, and kept up on the news. Studied some of the Chinese history as well as traditions and beliefs and saw an opportunity to reg a few domains. One of my passions is collecting antique pottery, mostly American. But American forms are not American in design and influence. Needless to say, they are either European or Asian in form.

I have many pieces of the Zhou, Qin, Han, Tang, Sung (Song), Yuan, and other dynasties as well as pre-history.

I guess the point I am making is personal interests sometimes drives registrations or pursuits of other interests. I do not need to register a domain name for the sole purpose of making a buck. I do and it's nice, but sometimes it just becomes a personal choice and is done on a personal level.