Apple iPhone could hurt the .mobi extension

[DNWizardX9]

Moniker offers 4 days (96 hours).

If the symbol or IDN is showing up on the UTF-8 Browser test, do they still run the risk of being done away with? There is a ton of info out there on IDN but is there anyone place for the new guidelines...what goes and what stays?

I don't know what you mean. Each language has their own characters. Whatever characters they use can be included in the domain. There are no symbol/dingbats in words in these languages. Common sense will lead you to what is good and what is bad. Check google, trends etc.

 

[Gerry]

Hey let's get back on topic. Bashing .mobis.

Go ahead...bash the mobiphiles, Steve Jobs goofed, I'm an idiot, I'm dumping the mobis, the ship has sailed, IDN sucks, the internet belongs to Al Gore, Paris Hilton is being made an example of...

 

[DNWizardX9]

Most countries have an overture compatible tool to tell you the # of searches a month.

.mobi's aren't needed. IDN's are as they represent the same domains in different languages. In America we think of ascii.com as normal as we speak the language. How would you feel if you were born in Japan and had to learn english to type in a URL? ;-)

 

[touchring]

I have many pieces of the Zhou, Qin, Han, Tang, Sung (Song), Yuan, and other dynasties as well as pre-history.

You got zhou and qin pottery? I know the fine design yuan and song potteries are worth a lot these days. Especially those associated with royalty or aristocracy, you don't need idns to get rich, but hold on to your pieces.

 

[Gerry]

Most countries have an overture compatible tool to tell you the # of searches a month.

.mobi's aren't needed. IDN's are as they represent the same domains in different languages. In America we think of ascii.com as normal as we speak the language. How would you feel if you were born in Japan and had to learn english to type in a URL? ;-)

Already have those tools. Agree on the Japan > English as well as any other language with non "latin" characters. Been preaching that for years...the internet is not just for the English speakers.

Disagree on the .mobi. Simply a different format to fit a different format. If .jp, .cn, .in are going to be big as well as the coming tide of IDN, and they will, what will be the common denominator for the estimated 3.5 billion phones at present and the estimated 7 billion in use by 2010?

As for the other thread, if the test page says the copyright symbol is supported by XX number of fonts, will certain symbols also comply with new IDN standards? Would like to know more. If you need a link to see the site I am looking at, I'll be glad to PM.

 

[DNWizardX9]

Already have those tools. Agree on the Japan > English as well as any other language with non "latin" characters. Been preaching that for years...the internet is not just for the English speakers.

Disagree on the .mobi. Simply a different format to fit a different format. If .jp, .cn, .in are going to be big as well as the coming tide of IDN, and they will, what will be the common denominator for the estimated 3.5 billion phones at present and the estimated 7 billion in use by 2010?

As for the other thread, if the test page says the copyright symbol is supported by XX number of fonts, will certain symbols also comply with new IDN standards? Would like to know more. If you need a link to see the site I am looking at, I'll be glad to PM.

No matter what font its in the symbols/dingbats aren't going to be supported lol. Register all of them. Make ICANN richer. They'll just take them away from you in a year or two.

 

[Gerry]

You got zhou and qin pottery? I know the fine design yuan and song potteries are worth a lot these days. Especially those associated with royalty or aristocracy, you don't need idns to get rich, but hold on to your pieces.

Been holding onto them for years. Got interested back in the late 70's, early 80's. Then had a friend who's grandfather was one of the most noted potters in the south and claimed as being a National Treasure. The grandson has become one of the most noted potters today and has become a state treasure designee. We hung out together and he showed me studies and drawings that his grandfather did in the 1910's and 1920's of exhibitions in New York.

I don't think any thing I own is of notable provenance, but still nice stuff purchased at very reasonable prices in the mid 80's.

No matter what font its in the symbols/dingbats aren't going to be supported lol. Register all of them. Make ICANN richer. They'll just take them away from you in a year or two.

The point here is not having any intention of registering them all or making ICANN richer. I have a few. That's it.

The point here is to learn. That is why I am asking questions. If you don't want to impart your knowledge on the matter, that's understandable and I'll look elsewhere. I have asked for some links or references but I am sure I can find them.

 

[touchring]

Been holding onto them for years. Got interested back in the late 70's, early 80's. Then had a friend who's grandfather was one of the most noted potters in the south and claimed as being a National Treasure. The grandson has become one of the most noted potters today and has become a state treasure designee. We hung out together and he showed me studies and drawings that his grandfather did in the 1910's and 1920's of exhibitions in New York.

I don't think any thing I own is of notable provenance, but still nice stuff purchased at very reasonable prices in the mid 80's.

Well, any real chinese antiques acquired in the 80s for reasonable price will be worth a hundred times today, and they will appreciate another 10-20 times in the future.

I looked into chinese antiques a few years ago, but the market is full of fakes (especially ebay, all fakes except for broken pieces - yes you can actually get chips that are real) - it's tougher to invest in chinese antique than domains. Too bad i was born too late. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Gerry]

Well, any real chinese antiques acquired in the 80s for reasonable price will be worth a hundred times today, and they will appreciate another 10-20 times in the future.

I looked into chinese antiques a few years ago, but the market is full of fakes (especially ebay, all fakes except for broken pieces - yes you can actually get chips that are real) - it's tougher to invest in chinese antique than domains. Too bad i was born too late. :smilewinkgrin:

I agree. That is why I was fortunate to have someone with good connections. Education is paramount to any investment and having good educators and practitioners is crucial in any endeavor.

I was looking for certain styles and glazes to compare to local wares and even the native American wares. I don't have anything that I would term as being noteworthy or monumental, but I never really got into the "made for export" items from the 1700's. I wanted utilitarian pieces used by the masses and decorative items created by hand. My prized pieces I would say are my animal figures. But I also love the simple glazes of the Yuan and Song, celadon I believe it was.

As for fakes? Nothing like throwing a good pot into the earth and burying it in ashes for a few months to give it a ground in grime and old look. Talk about flooding the market by the boatload.

 

[Simsi]

Like Richard I work in the Wireless industry too, and have visibility in PoR and PoI for ALL major phone vendors - up to 2009 there's NO .mobi button and there's NO .mobi autocomplete of address... so please let's move on and find something better to convince me that .mobi is worth the hype all you flippers at NPs and DNF brag about...

The point wasn't to convince you or anyone .mobi is worth investing in, just to point out a potential route the industry could go down one day. If it isn't set to happen in 2 years fine, but speculating on the short term isn't usually where the really big rewards are found, and the point is it *could* happen one day, so speculating makes some sense...(read on)...

Setting a default probably isn't something you can do arbitrarily...why would a phone company set the default to take you to an extension that's 99% empty when there is a perfectly good extension to use at .com?

Basically because .com sites are geared up for PC browsers while .mobi presents a new opportunity for coding mobile-friendly sites - to create a "mobile web". It would be silly to default to .com, as you cannot be sure the sites will be mobile friendly. OK you can't guarantee it with .mobi either, but it's more likely the sites will be (in time).

Mobile surfers probably won't have the time or patience to browse a content & graphic-rich .com site, whereas a basic text-based .mobi might be far more practical. It's not the only possible solution obviously, but it is one of several potential solutions is all I am saying, and you never know what's around the corner.

And...how often in the past have we seen so many major companies grabbing new generic TLD's and developing them like we have this time round? Didn't happen with .info or even .net...so there's something here that's sparked some interest among the "big boys" clearly.

Finally, where two or more people want the same thing, there is a market for that thing. Even if two people *think* someone else wants the same thing, there is a market. If it's domainers trading with each other, or if it's end-users, doesn't really matter. Some may call it a "false market", but it's still a market even if you choose not to be part of it.

And remember, I'm NOT a .mobi investor (because I was too late to realise the potential). Just saying that I can see why people would speculate on it. And isn't that what domaining is all about...speculating?

 

[PRED]

The point wasn't to convince you or anyone .mobi is worth investing in, just to point out a potential route the industry could go down one day. If it isn't set to happen in 2 years fine, but speculating on the short term isn't usually where the really big rewards are found, and the point is it *could* happen one day, so speculating makes some sense...(read on)...



Basically because .com sites are geared up for PC browsers while .mobi presents a new opportunity for coding mobile-friendly sites - to create a "mobile web". It would be silly to default to .com, as you cannot be sure the sites will be mobile friendly. OK you can't guarantee it with .mobi either, but it's more likely the sites will be (in time).

Mobile surfers probably won't have the time or patience to browse a content & graphic-rich .com site, whereas a basic text-based .mobi might be far more practical. It's not the only possible solution obviously, but it is one of several potential solutions is all I am saying, and you never know what's around the corner.

And...how often in the past have we seen so many major companies grabbing new generic TLD's and developing them like we have this time round? Didn't happen with .info or even .net...so there's something here that's sparked some interest among the "big boys" clearly.

And remember, I'm NOT a .mobi investor (because I was too late to realise the potential). Just saying that I can see why people would speculate on it. And isn't that what domaining is all about...speculating?

well said. it's what i keep saying.

 

[Gerry]

Wow, mobiflippers. That's cute.

What am I when I sell a dot com for $65,000.00? Is that a comflipper or a commie or a comic? And my .com sales between $5,000.00 and $10,000.00? If that doesn't measure up to some sanctified holy standard of domaindom, is that termed an "incomplete" or incompetent?

Or a dot net at $4,500.00? A "netscaper"?

It is a real estate market. I do not and never have invested in houses that I do not intend to live in. I do, however invest in raw undeveloped land. There is the domain equation. Raw undeveloped land that I can walk on and take my kayak down to the lake and raw undeveloped internet real estate.

The only difference between this thread and the thread about all the changes going on in the internet 5 years ago is today's date.

Jeez, I am glad I didn't listen to this bunch when they said WiFi would not work, too much interference, Google would be a non factor and can't compete, Apple is finished and over with, Japanese can not make a full sized truck to compete with the US market, and George Bush deserves a second term. I'd still be on dial up trying to catch up with all the expert opinions found on this forum and a few other sites.

 

[PRED]

Wow, mobiflippers. That's cute.

What am I when I sell a dot com for $65,000.00? Is that a comflipper or a commie or a comic? And my .com sales between $5,000.00 and $10,000.00? If that doesn't measure up to some sanctified holy standard of domaindom, is that termed an "incomplete" or incompetent?

Or a dot net at $4,500.00? A "netscaper"?

It is a real estate market. I do not and never have invested in houses that I do not intend to live in. I do, however invest in raw undeveloped land. There is the domain equation. Raw undeveloped land that I can walk on and take my kayak down to the lake and raw undeveloped internet real estate.

The only difference between this thread and the thread about all the changes going on in the internet 5 years ago is today's date.

Jeez, I am glad I didn't listen to this bunch when they said WiFi would not work, too much interference, Google would be a non factor and can't compete, Apple is finished and over with, Japanese can not make a full sized truck to compete with the US market, and George Bush deserves a second term. I'd still be on dial up trying to catch up with all the expert opinions found on this forum and a few other sites.

LOL Quality!

 

[Vision]

Wow, mobiflippers. That's cute.

What am I when I sell a dot com for $65,000.00? Is that a comflipper or a commie or a comic? And my .com sales between $5,000.00 and $10,000.00? If that doesn't measure up to some sanctified holy standard of domaindom, is that termed an "incomplete" or incompetent?

Or a dot net at $4,500.00? A "netscaper"?

It is a real estate market. I do not and never have invested in houses that I do not intend to live in. I do, however invest in raw undeveloped land. There is the domain equation. Raw undeveloped land that I can walk on and take my kayak down to the lake and raw undeveloped internet real estate.

The only difference between this thread and the thread about all the changes going on in the internet 5 years ago is today's date.

Jeez, I am glad I didn't listen to this bunch when they said WiFi would not work, too much interference, Google would be a non factor and can't compete, Apple is finished and over with, Japanese can not make a full sized truck to compete with the US market, and George Bush deserves a second term. I'd still be on dial up trying to catch up with all the expert opinions found on this forum and a few other sites.

Doc, you are one commanding communicator!

If I listened to the snarky naysayers I'd be a very unhappy guy.

 

[Asperger]

At the end of the day the ones that have only bought a few .Mobi's at reg fee and developed them have very little to lose.
I have concerns however, after doing a lot of away researching.
My main concern is that certain "players" in this extension seem to have friends in "high-places".I have had the hint from some people that this "jeremy" guy is quite well-in with Neil Edwards (the founder of .Mobi) and such has got himself quite a nice edge on the rest of the dev field, gaining an unfair advantage.I could name a few more that are "favoured" by some more "big-guns" as well... including yahoo!
So, my attention to dev of my .Mobi domians has pittered out, im not willing to spend my time developing when their are insider favours' being done..
I'm just glad i've realised whats going on early in order to save my dev time, which is more important to me than the cost of a .Mobi.

As the saying goes, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

 

[Fearless]

I posted this on a forum full of .mobi fanatics.

.mobi fanatics are in one of two situations. They either have resold some .mobis and want to keep the gravy train going or they've invested money in .mobis and they are desperately hoping they can at least get back even. The problem is that no amount of .mobi preaching by domainers will help much in these two situations. Bloggers like Frank Schilling are bringing in new gullible people to the domain name world. If myself and others didn't counter all this .mobi euphoria, they would certainly be the .mobi victims left holding the bag.

 

[namewaiter]

what is giving everyone (haters) the idea that .mobi is failing? is it the new orange.mobi, twc.mbi, bofa.mobi advertising, amtrak.mobi, visa involvement, sas.mobi, nba.mobi, statefarm.mobi, ing.mobi, businessweek.mobi, hilton.mobi, doubletree.mobi, etc. etc.

what other extension has the corporate world showed any interest in .biz... no, .info... no, .us... no, .aero... umm no, so why do individual .mobi haters think they know more than the corporations mentioned above?

i still don't know if .mobi will be a success, but i can't argue with the developments, regs (defensive or otherwise - really who can say what their plans are) and aftermarket sales - and all in 9 months!

 

[PVFARKAS]

I'm new to the industry, but pretty analytical. Folks, there are several factors that appear favorable for .mobi :yes:

1) lowest common denominator (lcd) and continuity. It would seem that a .m prefix or /mobile suffix is passable for those that frequent those sites regularly, but there is a lot to be said about a known extension that one could always resort to, eventually for anything. If I had one minute to find what I needed (metro life) a .mobi dir. stocked with sites with thin straight to the point content sounds about right. So as far as utility, its a go-to thing, look up interest.mobi or want.mobi. Rather than m.interest or want.com/mobile.

2) big business. you may dislike the tld, but big business has already invested and will use plenty more money and influence to ensure it works. There is a new BIG site unveiled weekly. If this continues, it snowballs. The bandwagon effect will happen if .mobi succeeds for some businesses and others will join.

3) phone structure. I thought those threads discussing the horror of typing in .mobi were off-target thinking there will be at least a .mobi button or shortcut. Those in the mobile industry that say its not planned up to 2009 (perhaps a decent point) how long does it take to add a new feature/phone?
Anyone working with google's phone development for the common folk without a computer? will that have a .mobi button or default. As an attorney (totally different field), I do not think a .mobi default would break any laws, regs, statutes. To me .mobi is modern and attractive looking in print/screen. I like that point about cleaner, less-cluttered advertising as well.

4) global trends. i have not been to asia, but hear from many that major cities are 10x more modernized than NY (me). I have been to Europe many times and find the stats on smart phone use (1 out of 4?!) amazing. So USA is not yet in .mobi heyday. maybe that's why google is prefixing with the .m, that they want to unveil it when its popular and well received? (I'm still thinking they should start with the .mobi now. ground up?) Maybe they wont? Does that make sense? Maybe they're redefining something and need to pushback their .mobi?

5) history and other tld's. 9 months in seems very early to predict its success. If anything its very far along for infancy. does anyone know the current reg. # since 500,000 in May? That's a decent amount of stupid people. (I like the mxxx.com comment, yeah i have to run out and get mfishing.com) decent .net's come up, but there is always the stigma attached (even with those couple of big giants that did well .net). there is no stigma with .mobi. with .mobi's feasible rapid growth, m.xxx and/mobile may look like the .mobi was taken (that's a long way away). also, there's, .tel. hmmm should we go there? if .tel takes off (I see promblems), i think it will strengthen .mobi, especially if .tel links are embedded in .mobi sites. um. there goes dialing 411.

6) cyrstal ball. for the last couple weeks I considered that the upcoming TRAFFIC auction would be a determinating factor on .mobi value +/or an indicator on the industry's take on it. I think this is not very accurate. Inherently the names are in high demand for a tld (many are laughable though) and will sell. This may mark those "stupid" people with faith or big domainers that want to flip and even false auction prices with kickbacks and after-auctions deals already in place, who knows. It may affect short term resellers, but not the .mobi game. Its going to be when google.mobi comes out, when more people start making transactions over .mobi, when .mobi gets people out of a memorable jam, when there is buzz on the streets, billboards and the like.

ahhh, i needed to get it out. I guess I'm just a 'stupid guy' who spent my TRAFFIC admission on reg'ing .mobi names, if anyone can help me get in, pm me. :uhoh: And if .mobi flops, ok, I have my girl, I have my health, lots of business ideas in the works - things will be cool. Hey, if it doesn't flop, I will have more $$ to blow on your .com's and a driver to take me around while I browse.

 

[Fearless]

ahhh, i needed to get it out. I guess I'm just a 'stupid guy' who spent my TRAFFIC admission on reg'ing .mobi names, if anyone can help me get in, pm me.

Good one.

You're in the "They've invested money in .mobis and they are desperately hoping they can at least get back even." camp.

 

[PVFARKAS]

lol. i'm happy about my position. I would rather win big or loose, even's no fun. But how I reg will not impact .mobi. Anyone dumping .mobi's, pm me.