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Thank you for supporting billionaires for wealth care............
Average salary of CEO's of the top 20 banks bailed AFTER the bail out money paid by the Bush Admin - $13.2 million!

That is the Average Salary AFTER the approval and disbursement of the Paulson Plan's money.

$13.2 million dollars in cash. Expect that number to become 4-5 times that amount with the purchase and granting of stock options when their stocks hit an all time low.

Thirteen million, two hundred thousand dollars is equal to 430 (four hundred and thirty) times the average american salary.

While these CEO's of banks were raping us of our tax dollars, those same banks that paid their CEO's such an obscene amount LAID OFF 160,000 bank employees.

Now you see why the bail out bill DID NOT PASS the first time - some members of congress, mostly the dem party, wanted to control and cap on the amount of money these people made as well as to remove some of these CEO's from their positions. With banks teetering on collapse in a matter of days, Congressional representatives dropped this stipulation allowing the passage of the plan to bail out banks.

Meanwhile, the CEO of AIG resigned the day that congress took the first vote in anticipation that he would be replaced. When congress came back and removed that sticking point, AIG rehired that same CEO who had just resigned! Yes, the very next day after turning in his resignation and the very day congress passed the bill, that same mother ****er who took our money was rehired by the largest corporate failure and bailout in history.

Would anyone else like to chime in on how this current administration is wasting and squandering your money?
 
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AHAHAHAHHAHAHA Your desperation throughout this thread had been hilarious, but this tops it off...

If a client requests black / white and grey coloring, your telling me I should produce a rainbow logo? Lmao, you really are incredibly stupid.

I have made some very nice money doing what I do and for only part time it is A LOT more than some people make year working full time and over time.

What a LIAR... You would have a larger portfolio of work and referrals if that were true...

And I find it more than a coincidence that the guy you did this HORRIBLE logo for is also in Florida, Is he one of your beer buddies that felt sorry for you and gave you the job out of pity? I think so :yes: :yes:

Don't be so envious, please pick up a book and get a education, maybe do something more productive with your time.

Envious of that crap? :pound: :pound: :pound:

What dumb sh*t designer uses a whale for a reef logo?,

Answer: One who obviously has NO clue on web design. And it figures you would use black and white too, this must of been at your suggestion since you see everything in Black and White, just as you exhibit in this thread.

Above all this, what's really laughable is your using this crappy logo as a reference on your home page! NOW THAT'S FUNNY!!..

:pound: :pound: :pound:

Like it's really going to draw in business, Honestly, my 8 year has more creativity than you do, Seriously. :yes:

And I like the ONE testimonial you have too; This is classic;

Great communication throughout entire project, worked with my "needs" much more than expected! I have used zurc.net for several websites and highly recommend him to anyone looking to start there next project!

Ross Maxson - The Moto Depot


OMG! This testimonial couldn't look any more fake. Where is the URL? Usually one includes a URL in the referral, strange he/you didn't include one, I can only imagine why.

Face it, you suck at graphics and web design, Have you thought about getting a job at McDonalds?
 
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What a LIAR... You would have a larger portfolio of work and referrals if that were true...

And I find it more than a coincidence that the guy you did this HORRIBLE logo for is also in Florida, Is he one of your beer buddies that felt sorry for you and gave you the job out of pity? I think so :yes: :yes:



Envious of that crap? :pound: :pound: :pound:

What dumb sh*t designer uses a whale for a reef logo?,

Answer: One who obviously has NO clue on web design. And it figures you would use black and white too, this must of been at your suggestion since you see everything in Black and White, just as you exhibit in this thread.

Above all this, what's really laughable is your using this crappy logo as a reference on your home page! NOW THAT'S FUNNY!!..

:pound: :pound: :pound:

Like it's really going to draw in business, Honestly, my 8 year has more creativity than you do, Seriously. :yes:

And I like the ONE testimonial you have too; This is classic;

Great communication throughout entire project, worked with my "needs" much more than expected! I have used zurc.net for several websites and highly recommend him to anyone looking to start there next project!

Ross Maxson - The Moto Depot


OMG! This testimonial couldn't look any more fake. Where is the URL? Usually one includes a URL in the referral, strange he/you didn't include one, I can only imagine why.

Face it, you suck at graphics and web design, Have you thought about getting a job at McDonalds?

Since I see you have a lot of time on your hands, feel free to contact each one of those people and ask how many websites and designs I have made for them over the years and how much I charged, then you can tell them you can do it all for cheaper and I guarantee you they will not budge and tell you to get a life. It's called loyalty, professionalism and honesty. I have also taken care of ALL my clients no matter what the circumstances.

I haven't updated my portfolio because I simply haven't had the time to work on my own website because I am working on other peoples website and run my own company and work at a mortgage office.

If you had anything productive going on in your life you would probably understand what I am talking about. But you are obviously too busy quoting Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh posting to people in a internet forum that don't even like you.

And thank you for once again proving how incredibly moronic you are, the testimonial is there, the website is shown in the portfolio, feel free to contact this person ~ oh and btw, he is in California, on the other side of this country and I have been doing his web design projects for about 5 years now with ZERO problems.

You really are a miserable, desperate, pathetic POS with nothing better to do with your time other than make yourself look like a f***ing moron, but congratulations to succeeding with one thing in your life.

And I find it more than a coincidence that the guy you did this HORRIBLE logo for is also in Florida, Is he one of your beer buddies that felt sorry for you and gave you the job out of pity?
First of all, I don't drink. Second of all I really don't have to explain to you where I get my clients or how, you are not worth the time, you've proved this to me and many others on this site already. Your opinion doesn't change the fact that my clients are happy with the work and money is going in my pocket.


Envious of that crap? :pound: :pound: :pound:
What dumb sh*t designer uses a whale for a reef logo?,
You really couldn't be this ****ing retarded? Its fish food... holy shit you suck at life...

Answer: One who obviously has NO clue on web design. And it figures you would use black and white too, this must of been at your suggestion since you see everything in Black and White, just as you exhibit in this thread.
The guy I did this for has a son who does web design, I made him several other very colorful logos but he wanted black and white, so thats what he got, what HE wanted... I don't know how many times I can call you stupid, it will never be enough...
Above all this, what's really laughable is your using this crappy logo as a reference on your home page! NOW THAT'S FUNNY!!..
It says recent work doesn't it? Seriously, you should kill yourself, you are failing incredibly at life...

Face it, you suck at graphics and web design, Have you thought about getting a job at McDonalds?
Face it, you are envious, uneducated and pathetic. You sit here and waste all your time throughout the day to try to insult me with such desperate, moronic attempts... its sad and I am embarrassed for you...

Now what confuses me is should I feel bad for you, or your husband to have to deal with such a worthless soul? Holy shit I hope your not reproducing!

Have fun arguing with yourself, I have better things to do then argue with someone who does not have a brain or worthiness in this world... Have the last word, make it worth while, but you might want to be careful with your mental creations, lies and angle shooting ~ slander is something I will not take lightly...
 
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President G.W. Bush - No Domestic Terrorist attack since 911.... Protecting the American people for 8 years when his predecessor wouldn't.

Actually, he and his administration were lazy; his administration was ignoring intelligence that said the attacks were coming. This is established fact. Bush could have prevented the attacks and did NOTHING.
 

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This thread should be closed. Raider and zurc ruined it beyond repair. C'mon guys. I know these issues can get people under your skin but I think you've both said enough about each other.
 

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umm because grassroots donations is support from average Americans expressing their opinion and not billionaires trying to get people to support their profits through spending millions on fear tactics and smear campaigns..........

but if people feel left out they too can raise funds to help the billionaires like David Koch defend their right to make huge profits by supporting his "non profit" organization Americans for Prosperity. You know the guys with the bus with the big red hand on it going around the country comparing Obama's health care plan to the holocaust:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC65hipGB_E

Thank you for supporting billionaires for wealth care............
Billionaires? Like Soros. Or Buffet. Are they not billionaire Obama supporters?
You can throw in the Google boys in there also. They're quite cozy with BO.
And as far as grassroots donations coming from average Americans.
It will be average Americans that will eventually demand that Obama, Pelosi, or others
be removed from office if they insist on pushing their socialist agenda down America's throat.
Healthcare needs to be and will be reformed, but many citizens, including myself, don't believe (for good reason)
that the present administration or congress are acting in our best interest.
Congress is going to be thinking about the next election when and if they vote on this bill,
so there is a good possibility that it will not pass this year, imo.
 

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If you had anything productive going on in your life you would probably understand what I am talking about. But you are obviously too busy quoting Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh posting to people in a internet forum that don't even like you.

I didn't quote Rush or Sean in this thread, is a matter a fact I quoted the LA Times article, a LIBERAL newspaper. Read again you IDIOT.

http://www.infowars.com/saved page..._bin_laden.htm

And what's this about everyone not liking me? If that's true, why do so many people here want to be my friend? Let's compare numbers shall we;

Raider: 29
Zurc.net: 1

:pound: LMAO!!!... And most of these were NOT at my request.


the testimonial is there, the website is shown in the portfolio, feel free to contact this person ~ oh and btw, he is in California, on the other side of this country and I have been doing his web design projects for about 5 years now with ZERO problems.

I have no doubt that somebody in California aquired your services, I also have no doubt that his standards must be extremely low, low enough to hire an idiot like you to develop anything.

You really couldn't be this ****ing retarded? Its fish food... holy shit you suck at life...

:pound:.... AH! it's Fish FOOD!, NOW I GET IT! He serves "Whale" and names his restaurant Rogers "Reef" Food!,

I can clearly see the connection now.

:lol: :pound: :lol2: :pound: :lol:

I dont know who's more stupid, you or him.

The guy I did this for has a son who does web design, I made him several other very colorful logos but he wanted black and white, so thats what he got, what HE wanted... I don't know how many times I can call you stupid, it will never be enough...

Here's the problem with that little boy, Companies dealing in anything custom have their good designs and their bad, The good designs they show off everywhere they can and as much as they can, The bad designs whether the customer ordered it or not, get thrown in a place nobody will ever see... You don't put the bad designs in your showroom because people will judge your work on what they see. GET IT?

Bottom line is; You must really think this logo is great, otherwise you would of never put it on your home page.. Fact is, IT SUCKS!.

You sit here and waste all your time throughout the day to try to insult me with such desperate, moronic attempts... its sad and I am embarrassed for you...

Oh you didn't embarrass me at all, you actually embarrassed yourself.... Do you know that I received over 11 PM's from members saying all sorts of nasty things about you?... One member wrote something like;

Raider, WTF are you wasting your time with this douche nozzle? Cant you see he's just baiting you on?

I can post more, but I actually feel sorry for you enough that I wont do that.

No need to thank me. ;)

Actually, he and his administration were lazy; his administration was ignoring intelligence that said the attacks were coming. This is established fact. Bush could have prevented the attacks and did NOTHING.

Please post what intelligence your referring to, I'd be more than interested to read it.


Below Preserved;

Since I see you have a lot of time on your hands, feel free to contact each one of those people and ask how many websites and designs I have made for them over the years and how much I charged, then you can tell them you can do it all for cheaper and I guarantee you they will not budge and tell you to get a life. It's called loyalty, professionalism and honesty. I have also taken care of ALL my clients no matter what the circumstances.

I haven't updated my portfolio because I simply haven't had the time to work on my own website because I am working on other peoples website and run my own company and work at a mortgage office.

If you had anything productive going on in your life you would probably understand what I am talking about. But you are obviously too busy quoting Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh posting to people in a internet forum that don't even like you.

And thank you for once again proving how incredibly moronic you are, the testimonial is there, the website is shown in the portfolio, feel free to contact this person ~ oh and btw, he is in California, on the other side of this country and I have been doing his web design projects for about 5 years now with ZERO problems.

You really are a miserable, desperate, pathetic POS with nothing better to do with your time other than make yourself look like a f***ing moron, but congratulations to succeeding with one thing in your life.


First of all, I don't drink. Second of all I really don't have to explain to you where I get my clients or how, you are not worth the time, you've proved this to me and many others on this site already. Your opinion doesn't change the fact that my clients are happy with the work and money is going in my pocket.


Envious of that crap? :pound: :pound: :pound:

You really couldn't be this ****ing retarded? Its fish food... holy shit you suck at life...


The guy I did this for has a son who does web design, I made him several other very colorful logos but he wanted black and white, so thats what he got, what HE wanted... I don't know how many times I can call you stupid, it will never be enough...

It says recent work doesn't it? Seriously, you should kill yourself, you are failing incredibly at life...


Face it, you are envious, uneducated and pathetic. You sit here and waste all your time throughout the day to try to insult me with such desperate, moronic attempts... its sad and I am embarrassed for you...

Now what confuses me is should I feel bad for you, or your husband to have to deal with such a worthless soul? Holy shit I hope your not reproducing!

Have fun arguing with yourself, I have better things to do then argue with someone who does not have a brain or worthiness in this world... Have the last word, make it worth while, but you might want to be careful with your mental creations, lies and angle shooting ~ slander is something I will not take lightly...
 
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And what's this about everyone not liking me? If that's true, why do so many people here want to be my friend? Let's compare numbers shall we;

Raider: 29
Zurc.net: 1
LOL, sorry, had to post after this one... YOU HAVE ONLINE FRIENDS, ZOMG!

I have no doubt that somebody in California aquired your services, I also have no doubt that his standards must be extremely low, low enough to hire an idiot like you to develop anything.
I guess a company that makes 7 figures a year has low standards.


:pound:.... AH! it's Fish FOOD!, NOW I GET IT! He serves "Whale" and names his restaurant Rogers "Reef" Food!,

I can clearly see the connection now.

:lol: :pound: :lol2: :pound: :lol:

I dont know who's more stupid, you or him.
Obviously you? 1.) It's not a restaurant and 2.) You don't even know the guy? He happens to be one of the nicest people I have met ~ yet you insult him when he has done nothing to you? You have proved you are incredibly unintelligent and immature, seriously... grow up... what are you 40+? Are you really laughing this hard or are you banging your keyboard crying that you have failed miserably at life?

Here's the problem with that little boy, Companies dealing in anything custom have their good designs and their bad, The good designs they show off everywhere they can and as much as they can, The bad designs whether the customer ordered it or not, get thrown in a place nobody will ever see... You don't put the bad designs in your showroom because people will judge your work on what they see. GET IT?

Bottom line is; You must really think this logo is great, otherwise you would of never put it on your home page.. Fact is, IT SUCKS!.
Why are you so obsessed with me? I do web design part time, I make a lot of money doing it. Does this mean I am the best designer in the world or claim to be? No... So I am really not understanding the argument here... I mean I know your desperate... and stupid, but Jesus Christ your getting old...

Oh you didn't embarrass me at all, you actually embarrassed yourself.... Do you know that I received over 11 PM's from members saying all sorts of nasty things about you?...
I actually didn't say I embarrassed you, I am saying I am embarrassed FOR YOU. Oh it was over 11, not over 10 right? Do you honestly think I care? Anyone who thinks you are right for anything you are saying or believe in that crazy head of yours is no one I plan on doing business with nor do I care to be "friends" with. I am here to do business and nothing else.

One member wrote something like;

Raider, WTF are you wasting your time with this douche nozzle? Cant you see he's just baiting you on?

I can post more, but I actually feel sorry for you enough that I wont do that.

No need to thank me. ;)
Please post all of them, but if you do, provide the names that sent them as well so they can confirm here. I kind of figured you would say this so you can have some wall to hide behind your slander, but try me.
 

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I guess a company that makes 7 figures a year has low standards.

What do you think the Dallas Cowboys are worth? 1.5 Billion? And they were dumb enough to pass up Cowboys.com, So it wouldn't surprise me in the least that a million dollar company was dumb enough to acquire your services... I mean really, what graphic examples did you have to fool them with to land the job?.. They couldn't of been yours.

1.) It's not a restaurant and 2.)

My mistake, It's a food for tropical fish, I didn't realize who much Angel Fish, Damsel's, Clownfish and Tangs enjoy eating "Whale"... My mistake. I'll have to ask Julian Sprung about that one :lol:

You don't even know the guy? He happens to be one of the nicest people I have met ~

Ah, so you did meet him? I knew it! I figured you couldn't get business online, I mean who in their right mind would hire someone with graphic work like that?

Why are you so obsessed with me?

I'm not, You complained I was taking too long in between posts and now your complaining I'm obsessed, Which is it?.. It was you that started this flame war with that nonsense over my sig... Perhaps next time you should butt out and keep your opinion to yourself UNLESS your prepared to answer for what your dishing out... Which you obviously FAILED to do in this entire thread.

I am here to do business and nothing else.

I see, you consider posting nonsense for 3 consecutive days, Business?.. :rofl:

Please post all of them,

You might find this hard to believe, but I don't have it in my heart to do that to you... Besides, you might be one of those un-stable nut-jobs that jumps off a bridge or opens fire at a McDonalds or Jolly Bee.
 
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I am going to apologize here. I am very sorry for wasting not only my time, but the time wasted by the viewers of this thread, as it seems like this is just another typical "Raider situation".

I am sorry to get her hyped up enough to bore you to a nub. You see, I took some time to go through just a few of her posts, mostly in the political section of this forum. It became very clear what type of person she is. She likes to be in controversy, she likes to act like she is informed and apart of important issues, but lacks any knowledge in anything she is talking about. When people prove her to be wrong about the situations she is TRYING to debate, she turns to name calling, yes, very similiar to a 14 year old child ~ they are never wrong and you must NEVER prove them wrong. They cannot handle the truth, because of their immature, egotistic personalities. That is okay though, for a 14 year old child, they have time to change, but she is a grown woman [if thats what you want to call her] and obviously she is never going to grow up and face the facts of life. If you are going to debate, debate in your own words... not what you pull from a website, or a poll, or by anothers mouth.

You should be able to come up with your own conclusions rather than relying on someone else to assume for you. Just makes you look exactly like the way you are perceived throughout this forum by many.

Now directly to Raider. I honestly pitty you. I pitty you for the person you are pretending to be and for the life you are pretending to live. It is clear, you do not receive the attention you want/need in your "real life", hense the reason you have chose DNForum as this source of attention.

You create controversy with misguided and farce information, you call people names just so they argue back with you. You create threads with clear racism in mind and then say its a joke just to get exactly what you want, again, the attention.

Again, I pitty you for having such low self esteem, such low expectations from life and bringing people ~ maybe even people who like or love you ~ into your misery as well. I feel bad for them, not only because they have to associate with you, but because your child(ren) didn't have a choice to have you as their mother.

Maybe this is just more fuel for your fire and obviously your going to continue to waste more time on this subject and try to discredit me or insult me in any desperate, slanderous way you can, but I felt this was necessary ~ maybe it might open a door in your head and you might try to be open minded to something other than your own beliefs.

I wish you and your family the best, no matter what our disagreements are. seriously.

What do think the Dallas Cowboys are worth? 1.5 Billion? And they were dumb enough to pass up Cowboys.com, So it wouldn't surprise me in the least that a million dollar company was dumb enough to acquire your services... I mean really, what graphic examples did you have to fool them with to land the job?.. They couldn't of been yours.
I have been working for them since before they started their current business back when they were selling sneakers on ebay, they have stayed with me ever since. I guess they liked that no matter the time, 3am, 4am they can call me with any issue and I would be there to help them. Sorry if this is hard for you to understand.

My mistake, It's a food for tropical fish, I didn't realize who much Angel Fish, Damsel's, Clownfish and Tangs enjoy eating "Whale"... My mistake. I'll have to ask Julian Sprung about that one :lol:
Or maybe ask the owner of the site. He happens to have very close relations with Julian Sprung. He even told me Julian loved the logo and labels ~ but I guess I should listen to a random psycho lady on the internet rather than my clients who are paying me to do what THEY want.

Ah, so you did meet him? I knew it! I figured you couldn't get business online, I mean who in their right mind would hire someone with graphic work like that?
I know in your fairy tale and anti-social world that you live it, it is not possible to meet anyone in real life, whether to be a friend or family member. But some businesses do like to work face to face. It's pretty fantastic, you can even make REAL friends too. You should try it some time.

I'm not, You complained I was taking too long in between posts and now your complaining I'm obsessed, Which is it?.. It was you that started this flame war with that nonsense over my sig... Perhaps next time you should butt out and keep your opinion to yourself UNLESS your prepared to answer for what your dishing out... Which you obviously FAILED to do in this entire thread.
You mean, I shouldn't make a comment against something I don't believe and expect a mature answer? Oh, I now know that... Sorry, I will never expect anything intelligent or mature to come from you. It will never happen again.

I see, you consider posting nonsense for 3 consecutive days, Business?.. :rofl:
At my leisure and for my entertainment, while I was working ;) You do this every day all day because of the lack of attention you get in real life.

You might find this hard to believe, but I don't have it in my heart to do that to you... Besides, you might be one of those un-stable nut-jobs that jumps off a bridge or opens fire at a McDonalds or Jolly Bee.
Can you be anymore full of shit? Seriously..

Oh and is the McDonald's "insults" really the best that you can do? Oh, yeah, it is... tiny brain syndrome, I forgot... Conservatives also only have corny, ridiculously dumb insults so its not like you can copy and paste or quote a good one from any of there sites.


I am really done with this thread as I know my responses all that you crave, like a junky with heroine. pathetic and sick.

GL with life dear...
 

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I am going to apologize here. I am very sorry for wasting not only my time, but the time wasted by the viewers of this thread, as it seems like this is just another typical "Raider situation".

I do hope the members here can forgive you, Considering how you made my husband, my kids and my ethnicity part of this discussion, I will not. :no:

When people prove her to be wrong about the situations she is TRYING to debate, she turns to name calling,

Nothing could be further from the truth... When members disrespect me like you did in post 15, their going to get the same disrespect in return, it's as simple as that...

You set the tone that turned this into a flame war my friend, NOT ME!

Many members have disagreed with me on a variety of issues, and yet it never resorts to name calling. So why does it happen with some and not with others? Did you ever once ask yourself that? We have a lot of members on this forum that know how to carry an intelligent debate, without resorting to name calling, They know where the line is and do their best not to cross it, but not you.. With hateful Liberals like you, the gloves are always off.

And when I say you started this flame war, I'm referring to post #15, You were the first to use the word "idiot" and you modifed my sig by mocking it. So dont pull this Sh*t about me starting anything, it was all YOU baby!.... READ AGAIN WHAT YOU WROTE YOU IDIOT.

Lol, nothing can be directly set on one person, but your sig is incredibly ridiculous...

Iraq war was a HUGE mistake and a WASTE trillions of dollars ~ I know it may not seem like it because it came from the Precious Cocaine, Alcoholic "Christian" and anything he does is because of his great "Christian Belief"...

President G.W. Bush - No Domestic Terrorist attack since 911... I ignored my predecessor when he presented me with these threats thinking, "We are America God damn it, nothing can touch us and if they do, all my buddies and I will profit greatly!" And gee whiz, I look like a hero to all these close minded idiots... "Hey Dick, lets go torture some innocent person, get some prostitutes and do lines off of the weapons of mass destruction with our kids... "George you know there are no weapons of mass destructions, you just wanted to kill your daddy's rival, lets just go play golf or go shooting"

Please change your sig asap... because as ridiculous as the above may be to you, its more appropriate then what you currently have there...

Then when confronted with credible information about Clinton's 8 years of negligence, you answer with What about Bush? followed by; Raider, your just a Sarah Palin wannabe,

Fact is; YOU DEBATE LIKE A 8 YEAR OLD! and you got just what was coming.

Now directly to Raider. I honestly pitty you. I pitty you for the person you are pretending to be and for the life you are pretending to live. It is clear, you do not receive the attention you want/need in your "real life", hense the reason you have chose DNForum as this source of attention.

You PiTTy me? LMAO!!! You cant even spell and your doing web design for Multi-Million dollar companies?.... Did you even get your GED?,

And oh yeah, The life I'm pretending to live. :lol: You know all about my life just from reading this thread huh?. Oh brother, you really are dimented. :loco:

You create controversy with misguided and farce information,

No, you created the controversy when you modified my sig and trashed it with Liberal 101 nonsense, That's when the controversy all began.

You call people names just so they argue back with you.

Again, I treat people just the way they treat me. Disrespect me and I disrespect them back.

You create threads with clear racism in mind and then say its a joke just to get exactly what you want, again, the attention.

Now I'm a racist? Your not referring to the blonde texas joke are you? LMAO!!!

YOU REALLY NEED TO GET A LIFE!!!.. But before your get one, try to get a sense of humor first OK?.

Again, I pitty you for having such low self esteem, such low expectations from life and bringing people ~ maybe even people who like or love you ~ into your misery as well. I feel bad for them, not only because they have to associate with you, but because your child(ren) didn't have a choice to have you as their mother.

I figured it was only a matter of time before you injected my children into this, This once again proves what a pathetic and desperate human being you are... I cant say it enough, I honestly dont think you fully evolved yet, your like our little Neanderthal pet here on DNF.

maybe it might open a door in your head and you might try to be open minded to something other than your own beliefs.

Open my mind to what? You haven't provided me with any evidence to the contrary on 911, What do you expect me to do? open my mind to your Liberal stupidity?. NO THANKS!

I wish you and your family the best, no matter what our disagreements are. seriously.

I find that extremely hard to believe, If you were truly sincere, you would of sent this by PM... And you didn't :no:

I am really done with this thread as I know my responses all that you crave, like a junky with heroine. pathetic and sick.

GL with life dear...

Are you sure your done? What about the answers to the questions I asked about 911? Will they continue to go un-answered?...

It's great watching Liberals squirm when their backed into a corner, Classic!

http://www.infowars.com/saved pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm
 
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Billionaires? Like Soros. Or Buffet. Are they not billionaire Obama supporters?
You can throw in the Google boys in there also. They're quite cozy with BO.
And as far as grassroots donations coming from average Americans.
It will be average Americans that will eventually demand that Obama, Pelosi, or others
be removed from office if they insist on pushing their socialist agenda down America's throat.
Healthcare needs to be and will be reformed, but many citizens, including myself, don't believe (for good reason)
that the present administration or congress are acting in our best interest.
Congress is going to be thinking about the next election when and if they vote on this bill,
so there is a good possibility that it will not pass this year, imo.


Yes those billionaires support Obama OPENLY. If I remember correctly Warren Buffet said he should be paying more taxes. Wow now there is a hidden agenda.

It's the billionaires you don't know like David Koch that pull strings behind the screens through front organizations like Americans for Prosperity that support the anti health care reform cause. Americans for Prosperity has millions of dollars from the Koch Industry to compare the health care reform debate to the holocaust and a socialist take over. (Yes, they say these things in their handouts and speeches) Companies like Koch Industries create layers like this to insulate the public from knowing the true people running the sharade.

In case you missed the video of them barfing out their hate rhetoric in my previous post please feel free to revisit it. Here is another shorter video of a birther with his propaganda provided by Americans For Prosperity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIWor7Id28o

In case you are not familiar with Koch Industries here is a short run down:
Koch Industries, (pronounced "coke"), is the largest privately owned company in the United States with 70,000 employees and annual sales of $100 billion in the fiscal year ending December of 2008. [1] (Cargill comes in second for privately owned companies.)

Overview

Operations include refining, chemicals, process and pollution control equipment, technologies, fibers polymers, commodity and financial trading and consumer products. The company operates crude gathering systems and pipelines across North America. One subsidiary processes 800,000 barrels of crude oil daily in its three refineries. Koch also owns ranches with a total of 15,000 head of cattle in Kansas, Montana and Texas. [2] The company was started in 1927 by Fred Koch, a charter member of the John Birch Society, with an oil delivery business in Texas. Though diversified, the company amassed most of its fortune in the oil trading and refining.
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Koch Family Foundations

Sons Charles G. Koch and David H. Koch run the company as well as Koch Family Foundations, one of the largest single sources of funding for conservative organizations in the United States. Organizations and think tanks supported by the foundation include Citizens for a Sound Economy, the libertarian Cato Institute, Reason Magazine, the Manhattan Institute, the Heartland Institute, and the Democratic Leadership Council. David H. Koch ran for president on the Libertarian Party ticket in 1980. Koch money flows thorugh Triad Management Services, an advisory service to conservative donors groups and candidates. [1][2]
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Cato Institute

Charles G. Koch co-founded the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank based in Washington DC, with Edward H. Crane in 1977. [3] Recently, Koch Industries has become an aggressive opponent of climate legislation and a major funder of climate skeptics, including the Cato Institute. [4]
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Mergers & aquisitions

During 2003, Koch announced a $4.4 billion cash purchase of Invista, the world's largest fibers company (which owns brands such as Lycra and Teflon) from DuPont. [3] In 2005, Koch purchased paper products giant Georgia-Pacific for $21 billion, acquiring brands such as Quilted Northern, Angel Soft, Brawny, Sparkle, Vanity Fair, and Dixie cups. Internationally, brands include Lotus, Colhogar, Delica, Tenderly, and the Vania brand of personal care products.
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Pollution

Koch Industries is also a major polluter. During the 1990s, its faulty pipelines were responsible for more than 300 oil spills in five states, prompting a landmark penalty of $35 million from the Environmental Protection Agency. In Minnesota, it was fined an additional $8 million for discharging oil into streams. During the months leading up to the 2000 presidential elections, the company faced even more liability, in the form of a 97-count federal indictment charging it with concealing illegal releases of 91 metric tons of benzene, a known carcinogen, from its refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas.
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Republican Ties

If convicted, the company faced fines of up to $352 million, plus possible jail time for company executives. After George W. Bush became president, however, the U.S. Justice Department dropped 88 of the charges. Two days before the trial, John Ashcroft settled for a plea bargain, in which Koch pled guilty to falsifying documents. All major charges were dropped, and Koch and Ashcroft settled the lawsuit for a fraction of that amount.

Koch had contributed $800,000 to the Bush election campaign and other Republican candidates.

Alex Beehler, assistant deputy under secretary of defense for Environment, Safety and Occupational Health, previously served at Koch as director of environmental and regulatory affairs and concurrently served at the Charles G. Koch Foundation as vice president for environmental projects. [4] Beehler was later nominated and re-nominated by the Bush White House, to become the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's Inspector General. [5]
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Lobbying

The company spent $3,528,750 for lobbying in 2006. $820,000 was to outside lobbying firms with the remainder being spent using in-house lobbyists. [5]

In February 2005, the Hill reported, "Top White House official Matt Schlapp is joining the Washington office of oil-and-gas conglomerate Koch Industries, the latest example of high-level administration and congressional staffers making post-election leaps to the lobbying world." Schlapp had headed the White House’s Office of Political Affairs. At Koch, Schlapp will be the executive director of federal affairs, directing Washington lobbying. [6]

Elizabeth Stolpe, previously in-house lobbyist for Koch Industries, is now Associate Director For Toxics & Environmental Protection at the White House Council on Environmental Quality.
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Political Contributions

Koch Industries is the single largest oil company contributor to both Republican and Democratic candidates for Congress. These contributions total $1,065,750 to the 110th US Congress (as of the third quarter), the largest of which has been to Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-KS) for $42,950. Rep. Tiahrt, for his part, has consistently voted with the oil industry on energy, war and climate bills. [7]

Contributions like this from fossil fuel companies to members of Congress are often seen as a political barrier to pursuing clean energy. More information on oil industry contributions to Congress can be found at FollowtheOilMoney.org, a project created by the nonpartisan, nonprofit organization Oil Change International.

Koch Industries gave $948,000 to federal candidates in the 05/06 election cycle through its political action committee (PAC) - 17% to Democrats, 82% to Republicans. [6]
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Koch_Industries

People can spare me their tough talk on socialism until Exxon is nationalized. (Please note HUGE sarcasm)

Every other industrialized country in the world gives a damn about their citizens enough to provide universal health care except for the US. Instead of health care Americans got to give our hard earned cash to the war profiteers like Halliburton, Blackwater USA, and the likes.

You know who ran up the debt the last 8 years. You know who lied to get us to war. You know who tortured people. You know who profited from the war. You know the truth. Dont let the bastards grind you down...........
 

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No one can ever convince me that Dick Cheney left Haliburton and a salary of $7 million per year to do his civic duty for a salary of $220K.
 

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You know what, I really liked Obama, and thought he was a great guy to be the President.

But the more I read about him, the more convinced I become that he's massively arrogant, and basically needs to take his head out of his ass.

He hasn't reversed any of Bush's policies, and has failed to live up to all liberal expectations.

I always thought Hillary would be a better President, and Obama's behavior has made that belief even stronger.
 

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No one can ever convince me that Dick Cheney left Haliburton and a salary of $7 million per year to do his civic duty for a salary of $220K.
Well that's the price of impunity.
 

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Well that's the price of impunity.
Impunity or Immunity?

Doesn't matter. Dubya already did that in 2005.

I always thought Hillary would be a better President, and Obama's behavior has made that belief even stronger.
That is the scariest damn thing I have ever read.
 

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He hasn't reversed any of Bush's policies, and has failed to live up to all liberal expectations..

How can he live up to Liberal expectations when mainstream America is rejecting them?

You may not know this, but a lot Democrats, including Republicans are coming up for re-election in 2010, If they vote on a bill the people are strongly opposed of, such as health care and cap & trade, they run the risk come election day.
 
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