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[stuff]

No, idn.com is very valuable indeed, you
only have to look at the domain holdings
of the idn speculators here and you will
find that almost all of them have 'gone
large' on idn.com.

Check with Bill (a few posts back), he knows
the value of idn.com (or in his case, .net)
and he will be able to tell you why domains
like that have such high value.

All the best,

Richard

sorry, but I don`t see any value.
Its against common sence, humans are lazy.
As far as I see most IDN-s are in speculators hands, they try to hype the prices up. Show me some proof that I am wrong.

 

[Honan]

Hi Richard

Can you or anyone explain this article to me?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4767972.stm

What are they talking about ?
China opening up a new system on a first come first serve basis?
It appears to me that this is not idn.com
Is it idn.idn.cn?
Sorry, I just don't understand

 

[richard]

Try to hype prices up?.. Pipe down
with such talk! You will become very
unpopular you know if you try to
challenge the general consensus on
this forum.

It may be better for you to keep quiet
and continue your idn education in
private...

All the best,

Richard

 

[stuff]

Try to hype prices up?.. Pipe down
with such talk! You will become very
unpopular you know if you try to
challenge the general consensus on
this forum.

It may be better for you to keep quiet
and continue your idn education in
private...

All the best,

Richard

thats all that I wanted to know.
thanks

 

[richard]

Joe,

It's really just some story about China getting
frustrated with ICANN efforts to implement IDN
and their wanting to deal with domains on their
own terms...

Nothing to worry about!

Richard

 

[bwhhisc]

Try reading this article for information on China and the internet. There was some misinformation printed a few weeks ago (by Peoples Daily) that stirred a bunch of articles. This includes a correction to their information by government spokespersons. Best to follow news from the 'official' sources.

Two Japanese IDNs sold for $2,500.00 each last night, I believe there is another one on auction here at $1250 current.

http://www.interfax.cn/showfeature.asp?aid=10717

and more ICANN information about idn implementation-

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-14mar06.htm

sorry, but I don`t see any value. Its against common sence, humans are lazy. As far as I see most IDN-s are in speculators hands, they try to hype the prices up. Show me some proof that I am wrong.

THATS THE POINT- Humans are (to some degree) lazy, and we have been forcing them to be foreign language translators to search the internet. Currently, 85% of the world doesn't speak English, but for the most part you have to enter an ENGLISH url to get to a foreign language website.

Imagine if ALL urls were in Chinese, and you had to convert your English word to a Chinese symbol in order to access ALL internet sites, which the site was completely in English. Or use a dictionary to translate what a website url meant into Chinese so you could then access your English language site. Now reverse this thinking...thats what goes on around the world today. People that don't speak English simply want urls in their native language. What a concept.

THAT ALL IDN's are....simply urls in foreign languages that people can read and use from THEIR foreign language keyboard. You and I will never use it, the Chinese people will use chinese urls to access Chinese websites, the Thai people will access the internet in Thai language urls, the Koreans will access with Korean urls, etc. Its for them, not us!

Right now they basically have to go to translators in many cases to find their search term, and get it translated into English. Then use the English url to access a foreign language site. With IDNs they can be LAZY and just type in words in their own native scripts and languages. Imagine people being able to know what the url means!! Or seeing a url in a language they can read and remember ie. "free downloads" , for example and then remember the website from easy to remember words to 'visit' the website.

 

[Honan]

Try reading this article for information on China and the internet. There was some misinformation printed a few weeks ago (by Peoples Daily) that stirred a bunch of articles. This includes a correction to their information by government spokespersons. Best to follow news from the 'official' sources.

Two Japanese IDNs sold for $2,500.00 each last night, I believe there is another one on auction here at $1250 current.

http://www.interfax.cn/showfeature.asp?aid=10717

and more ICANN information about idn implementation-

http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-14mar06.htm

Yes and the BBC article acknowledges that misinformation put about by the peoples daily.
However that Interfax article seems to contradict it, claiming browswers can't read the Chinese government system IDN
Interfax is not official anyway
The BBC often reports accurately
The BBC article claims that the Chinese Government has already implemented its own system which is NOT idn.com or idn.(idn that resolves to the .com)
It also claims that the Chinese government "net" system has been recently opened up to the public on a first come first served basis
I believe these domains are quite expensive though (about $200 ) and I believe that one would have to be able to read simlpified Chinese to be able to register
Maybe I am misinformed though.
It would seem that the Chinese government's recent move may not be what idn owners want.
So I don't expect to get replies here that will enlighten me on where and how to register these "net" idn domains that the Chinese government appears to prefer
I thought Richard might be able to help cut through the IDN hype
Alas, he seems to prefer sardonic humour

 

[bwhhisc]

Here is a google ad from Baidu.com. Now... imagine if your whole internet world looked like this. Now, imagine if "you" (who speak on English) were offered to change the "Chinese" to English so you could read it with out resorting to a translator...would you want that? Well, "they" (non English speaking internet users) want that for themselves. Hello IDN!

北京宣武华厦市政工程有限..
本公司市政公用工程施工总承包贰级,机电设备安装工程专业承包叁级
www.华厦市政.中国

the .中国 equals the word China, or .cn.

 

[Rubber Duck]

sorry, but I don`t see any value.
Its against common sence, humans are lazy.
As far as I see most IDN-s are in speculators hands, they try to hype the prices up. Show me some proof that I am wrong.

Your not so much wrong as just stupid.

Yes and the BBC article acknowledges that misinformation put about by the peoples daily.
However that Interfax article seems to contradict it, claiming browswers can't read the Chinese government system IDN
Interfax is not official anyway
The BBC often reports accurately
The BBC article claims that the Chinese Government has already implemented its own system which is NOT idn.com or idn.(idn that resolves to the .com)
It also claims that the Chinese government "net" system has been recently opened up to the public on a first come first served basis
I believe these domains are quite expensive though (about $200 ) and I believe that one would have to be able to read simlpified Chinese to be able to register
Maybe I am misinformed though.
It would seem that the Chinese government's recent move may not be what idn owners want.
So I don't expect to get replies here that will enlighten me on where and how to register these "net" idn domains that the Chinese government appears to prefer
I thought Richard might be able to help cut through the IDN hype
Alas, he seems to prefer sardonic humour

The BBC thought that Pixel Marketing was the next big thing.!!!

Whilst, you were all following that craze I was getting disgustingly wealthy. The stupid thing is I tried to talk to you all about these opportunities then and a few of the not quite brain dead, followed me and most of them stand to be wealthy to a socially unacceptable level as well.

There are still opportunities out there. We are not at the crumbs from the table stage yet. Anyone, who wants to get up to speed in a meaningful time frame needs to trawl through over 10,000 postings at www.idnforums.com.

If you thinK I am going to try and summarise the wealth of knowledge there to those here, who do little more than abuse me, then think again. I will be on the beach dictacting my memoirs which will be a World Best Seller.

It will be called simply "From Fresh Air", because that is how I have done it!

Rubber Duck

 

[Honan]

If the .中国 equals the word China, or .cn, does .cn currently also equal ."xn--fiqs8s" ?
Or is that just my browser misreading it

Your not so much wrong as just stupid.




The BBC thought that Pixel Marketing was the next big thing.!!!

Whilst, you were all following that craze I was getting disgustingly wealthy. The stupid thing is I tried to talk to you all about these opportunities then and a few of the not quite brain dead, followed me and most of them stand to be wealthy to a socially unacceptable level as well.

There are still opportunities out there. We are not yet at the crumbs from the table stage yet. Anyone, who wants to get up to speed in a meaningful time frame needs to trawl through over 10,000 postings at www.idnforums.com.

If you thinK I am going to try and summarise the wealth of knowledge there to those here, who do little more than abuse me, then think again. I will be on the beach dictacting my memoirs which will be a World Best Seller.

It will be called simply "From Fresh Air", because that is how I have done it!

Rubber Duck

RD
Have you considered changing your nick to figjam?

It is easy enough to understand the IDN system proposed by ICANN, however I do not understand the current IDN system sponsored by the Chinese government.
Thanks for the tip
I will read those 10,000 posts later tonight

 

[touchring]

If the .中国 equals the word China, or .cn, does .cn currently also equal ."xn--fiqs8s" ?
Or is that just my browser misreading it



RD
Have you considered changing your nick to figjam?

It is easy enough to understand the IDN system proposed by ICANN, however I do not understand the current IDN system sponsored by the Chinese government.
Thanks for the tip
I will read those 10,000 posts later tonight

Yes, .中国 = .cn = .xn--fiqs8s.

Most .cn are in Chinese hands and not western speculators as speculators came in late.

sorry, but I don`t see any value.
Its against common sence, humans are lazy.
As far as I see most IDN-s are in speculators hands, they try to hype the prices up. Show me some proof that I am wrong.

Well, history alway repeats itself.

When O'Connor rejected Gofast.net's offer of $50,000 for television.com, he thought that he is the dumbest guy on the planet.

But is the guy that sold TV.com to CNET smarter? Well, judging by the response we see on DNF, i think 80% of the people here will vote him as a smart guy. Back then in 1996 who would thought that a silly name like TV.com would be worth 15K! I better take my money first before the whole thing comes down.

For example: Last year, the publishers of this site, CNET: The Computer Network, paid $15,000 for "tv.com." Before buying that address, however, CNET tentatively offered Mike O'Connor, cofounder of Internet access company Gofast.net, $50,000 for a similar domain name, "television.com."

O'Connor rejected the offer, thinking he could get more for the address. But new buyers never materialized. "I'm the dumbest guy on the planet for turning down that deal," he said. "That's why friends pour beer over my head and call me a nitwit."

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-200256.html (9 year old cnet article).

 

[Rubber Duck]

If the .中国 equals the word China, or .cn, does .cn currently also equal ."xn--fiqs8s" ?
Or is that just my browser misreading it

xn--fiqs8s is the first level punycode. This will map to .cn. At present I believe this mapping is being done at ISP level within China. Some of the apparently top level extensions actually map to second leve ICANN addresses. The browser converts the 中国, which the DNS then resolves. In China this has been temporarily fudgede as the ICANN system is not yet set up to deal with anything like this. It is really just a temporary work around, but if ICANN do not come up with a permanent solution there is no doubt that the Chinese will! At present the Chinese are happy for ICANN to their stuff as long as they get on with it.

The most likely scenario is that ICANN with implement DName within 12 to 18 months. The DName solution picks out address with first level punycode and then maps them to the appropriate gTLD or ccTLD. The means that each language or country could have its own Alias for dot com, dot net and all the others. What is chosen will be very much down to the individual registeries itself. At the moment there is some minor conflict between China and Verisign over the representation of dot com, but most IDNers do not believe that the representation they are fighting over is actually the best solution anyway!

Obviously, there needs to be options set at Operating System level to decide which of the various possilbe Aliases is used for incoming information containing URLs. This could be done from the language setting on the OS and look-up table. There may be options to select exactly how URLs are displayed. It is unlikely that we see that level of functionality until Vista is released, at which point IDN.IDN will also function in email.

Anyone who seriously doesn't think at most of the population of Asia will not take full advantage this additional functionality is brain dead. When it becomes apparent that domains which are Latin transliterations of the Asian Languages neither get traffic or have any value for SEO they will be dropped like hot bricks. If you are holding any such domains I should drop them now. I transacted 4 good dot CN 3 letter acronyms on here for $10 each, and there are another 3 about to go for 20 dollars each. Face it Latin domains in a dot CN extension are just about worthless for a commercial enterprise.

Rubber Duck

 

[stuff]

You can say wathever You like and I can say whatever I like, I did not call You stupid, even if i think You are. There is no need to get personal.

I simply don´t see how this arabic, chinese..and so on IDN-s can work. If the user has to change keyborad to type the address to his browser!!! Can You please explain it to me why anyone should do so?

Also there has been this talk about IDN-s for years ,that they will work someday, till now I simply don´t see it.

Stuff

THATS THE POINT- Humans are (to some degree) lazy, and we have been forcing them to be foreign language translators to search the internet. Currently, 85% of the world doesn't speak English, but for the most part you have to enter an ENGLISH url to get to a foreign language website..

I generally agree with You on this one, but if a end-user has to change language to type in a .com, .net, .org ... address it will also not work.

 

[richard]

Yes, 'stuff' makes a good point; I know
those wishing to ply their opinions on
others can get a little excitable at times
but there is no reason to insult anyone.

Perhaps an apology would be in order?..

Richard

 

[Explorer]

To those of you who think that people are lazy switching keyboards from their own language to english, ask yourself one simple question:

How do those people use email?

 

[richard]

Explorer, good point...

Do we hear an apology Mr. Wrixon?

Regards

Richard

 

[Rubber Duck]

You can say wathever You like and I can say whatever I like, I did not call You stupid, even if i think You are. There is no need to get personal.

I simply don´t see how this arabic, chinese..and so on IDN-s can work. If the user has to change keyborad to type the address to his browser!!! Can You please explain it to me why anyone should do so?

Also there has been this talk about IDN-s for years ,that they will work someday, till now I simply don´t see it.

Stuff



I generally agree with You on this one, but if a end-user has to change language to type in a .com, .net, .org ... address it will also not work.

The deduction is evident from your previous remarks.

sorry, but I don`t see any value.
Its against common sence, humans are lazy.
As far as I see most IDN-s are in speculators hands, they try to hype the prices up. Show me some proof that I am wrong.

The assumption you are making is that 1 Billion Chinese are going to take the trouble to learn English thoroughly so that they can lazily, type in English.

You claim to be a professional domainer, but are completely ignorant of the main growth area.

Whilst changing language may be a short-term inconvenience which is denied by all the ethnic Chinese on our Forum, it does not increase the number of times the Character set has to be changed. The starting and end points will always be Chinese Script.

The Chinese government is effectively already introducting IDN.IDN and ICANN gTLD IDN will almost certainly have migrated to DName mapping within two years, so the Chinese will then never have a cause to type Latin Script again.

I rest my case.

Rubber Duck.

To those of you who think that people are lazy switching keyboards from their own language to english, ask yourself one simple question:

How do those people use email?

Yes, they do currently suffer that inconvenience. But that situation will be resolved by Windows Vista!

Rubber Duck

 

[Explorer]

Explorer, good point...

Do we hear an apology Mr. Wrixon?

Regards

Richard

My point is not to ask Mr. Wrixon for an apology. Mr. Wrixon is Bill Gates of IDNs, he knew that long before everyone here. My point was to show people who don't believe in keyboard switching that it has been going on since the invention of email.

 

[richard]

Oh, I guess not... Still its nice to know
you were getting 'disgustingly wealthy'
while the rest of us were wasting
our time.

Are you able to share some of your
best idn.com domains -the ones that
you currently own?

Maybe we can turn this into an
appraisal thread after all! I am very
keen on idn.com now, as you know,
and I will place very high valuations
on them (if that helps)

Regards

Richard

 

[Rubber Duck]

Yes, 'stuff' makes a good point; I know
those wishing to ply their opinions on
others can get a little excitable at times
but there is no reason to insult anyone.

Perhaps an apology would be in order?..

Richard

Holding and expressing opposing opinions is one thing. Drawing conclusion that are in total contradiction to his own reasoning are entirely another!

Rubber Duck.