DNForum Sale Listed in DNJournal Top 20

[touchring]

To those of you who think that people are lazy switching keyboards from their own language to english, ask yourself one simple question:

How do those people use email?

Well, most of us, including Dave didn't know what to expect when we went into IDNs.

Here's one of my pure generic Arabic name stats. It translates into chat.com and is not a typo or trademark, so all traffic is natural.

رشة.com (i've amended the word slightly)

Question: Why would anyone type in this way? Why would anyone intentionally switch key to put in the .com?


Tue, Mar 14th, 2006 US$ 0.32 9 6 % 66.67 US$ 0.05 US$ 35.11
Mon, Mar 13th, 2006 US$ 0.05 4 3 % 75.00 US$ 0.02 US$ 12.00
Sun, Mar 12th, 2006 US$ 0.03 6 1 % 16.67 US$ 0.03 US$ 4.67
Sat, Mar 11th, 2006 US$ 0.14 18 9 % 50.00 US$ 0.02 US$ 7.78
Fri, Mar 10th, 2006 US$ 0.01 9 1 % 11.11 US$ 0.01 US$ 0.89
Thu, Mar 9th, 2006 US$ 0.16 14 5 % 35.71 US$ 0.03 US$ 11.43
Wed, Mar 8th, 2006 US$ 0.16 9 3 % 33.33 US$ 0.05 US$ 18.22
Tue, Mar 7th, 2006 US$ 0.02 12 3 % 25.00 US$ 0.01 US$ 1.33
Mon, Mar 6th, 2006 US$ 0.02 10 5 % 50.00 US$ 0.00 US$ 2.00
Sun, Mar 5th, 2006 US$ 0.22 11 4 % 36.36 US$ 0.06 US$ 20.00
Sat, Mar 4th, 2006 US$ 1.15 12 5 % 41.67 US$ 0.23 US$ 96.00
Fri, Mar 3rd, 2006 US$ 0.08 6 1 % 16.67 US$ 0.08 US$ 14.00
Thu, Mar 2nd, 2006 US$ 0.10 12 4 % 33.33 US$ 0.02 US$ 8.00
Wed, Mar 1st, 2006 US$ 0.00 5 0 - - -
Tue, Feb 28th, 2006 US$ 0.38 11 4 % 36.36 US$ 0.10 US$ 34.55
Mon, Feb 27th, 2006 US$ 0.02 8 2 % 25.00 US$ 0.01 US$ 2.00
Sun, Feb 26th, 2006 US$ 0.03 6 3 % 50.00 US$ 0.01 US$ 4.67
Sat, Feb 25th, 2006 US$ 1.15 12 5 % 41.67 US$ 0.23 US$ 96.00
Fri, Feb 24th, 2006 US$ 0.18 4 3 % 75.00 US$ 0.06 US$ 44.00

 

[Rubber Duck]

Oh, I guess not... Still its nice to know
you were getting 'disgustingly wealthy'
while the rest of us were wasting
our time.

Are you able to share some of your
best idn.com domains -the ones that
you currently own?

Maybe we can turn this into an
appraisal thread after all! I am very
keen on idn.com now, as you know,
and I will place very high valuations
on them (if that helps)

Regards

Richard

Most of the valuable single characters from Arabic, Hirigana and Devangari Alphabets in dot coms.

About half of the Chinese Provinces in dot coms

Lions share of Asia City name in dot coms.

Large numbers of country names in dot nets

Huge numbers of dream list commericial Generics and Brandables.

These are all in the most appropriate languages and scripts.

If you stuck $10 Million in cash on the table I would laugh in your face.

Rubber Duck

 

[richard]

Touchring, that name doesn't resolve;
can I ask what changes you made?

Richard

 

[Explorer]

Well, most of us, including Dave didn't know what to expect when we went into IDNs.

Here's one of my pure generic Arabic name stats. It translates into chat.com and is not a typo or trademark, so all traffic is natural.

رشة.com (i've amended the word slightly)

Question: Why would anyone type in this way? Why would anyone intentionally switch key to put in the .com?


Tue, Mar 14th, 2006 US$ 0.32 9 6 % 66.67 US$ 0.05 US$ 35.11
Mon, Mar 13th, 2006 US$ 0.05 4 3 % 75.00 US$ 0.02 US$ 12.00
Sun, Mar 12th, 2006 US$ 0.03 6 1 % 16.67 US$ 0.03 US$ 4.67
Sat, Mar 11th, 2006 US$ 0.14 18 9 % 50.00 US$ 0.02 US$ 7.78
Fri, Mar 10th, 2006 US$ 0.01 9 1 % 11.11 US$ 0.01 US$ 0.89
Thu, Mar 9th, 2006 US$ 0.16 14 5 % 35.71 US$ 0.03 US$ 11.43
Wed, Mar 8th, 2006 US$ 0.16 9 3 % 33.33 US$ 0.05 US$ 18.22
Tue, Mar 7th, 2006 US$ 0.02 12 3 % 25.00 US$ 0.01 US$ 1.33
Mon, Mar 6th, 2006 US$ 0.02 10 5 % 50.00 US$ 0.00 US$ 2.00
Sun, Mar 5th, 2006 US$ 0.22 11 4 % 36.36 US$ 0.06 US$ 20.00
Sat, Mar 4th, 2006 US$ 1.15 12 5 % 41.67 US$ 0.23 US$ 96.00
Fri, Mar 3rd, 2006 US$ 0.08 6 1 % 16.67 US$ 0.08 US$ 14.00
Thu, Mar 2nd, 2006 US$ 0.10 12 4 % 33.33 US$ 0.02 US$ 8.00
Wed, Mar 1st, 2006 US$ 0.00 5 0 - - -
Tue, Feb 28th, 2006 US$ 0.38 11 4 % 36.36 US$ 0.10 US$ 34.55
Mon, Feb 27th, 2006 US$ 0.02 8 2 % 25.00 US$ 0.01 US$ 2.00
Sun, Feb 26th, 2006 US$ 0.03 6 3 % 50.00 US$ 0.01 US$ 4.67
Sat, Feb 25th, 2006 US$ 1.15 12 5 % 41.67 US$ 0.23 US$ 96.00
Fri, Feb 24th, 2006 US$ 0.18 4 3 % 75.00 US$ 0.06 US$ 44.00

That's exactly my point. It's only natural to be typing in your native language. What do you put at the end? The most known and most popular extention. Dot Com.

 

[richard]

If you stuck $10 Million in cash on the table
I would laugh in your face.

--

Sorry, I don't have $10mn to offer you Mr.Wrixon.
I am interested to know more about traffic on the
single character Arabic names, since there is no
definitive (conclusive) TLD for Arabia... (yes, I am
aware of .sa, but Arabic is a widely used language).

Are you able to let us know more about traffic?...
then we will examine the names generally using
tried and tested metrics and give our 'valuation'.

Regards

Richard

What do you put at the end? The most known
and most popular extention. Dot Com.

---

Absolutely, in the absence of a commonly
known/understood ccTLD that is exactly what
you would do...

 

[stuff]

Question: Why would anyone type in this way? Why would anyone intentionally switch key to put in the .com?

maybe Other domainer searching if the domain is available?

You claim to be a professional domainer, but are completely ignorant of the main growth area.

don`t make me laught
Main growth area!! - everything is growing, natural type in-s are growing far more faster then IDN-s.Heck even 2 and 3 word .com domain sales are growing faster then idn-s.

 

[richard]

Please 'stuff', we are both learning
more about idn.com here - remember,
our 'education'...

Let's learn more about the names we
missed out on, ok?

Richard

 

[stuff]

My point is not to ask Mr. Wrixon for an apology. Mr. Wrixon is Bill Gates of IDNs, he knew that long before everyone here. My point was to show people who don't believe in keyboard switching that it has been going on since the invention of email.

he can be who he likes

 

[touchring]

Touchring, that name doesn't resolve;
can I ask what changes you made?

Richard

I've intentionally deleted a few characters at the back. I've copied the figures from ND so you can work backwards to verify if they are correct.

Here's the stats for a Korean .com name with 80,000 KR OVT, it's also a pure generic. I've parked it since Monday only.

Wed, Mar 15th, 2006 US$ 0.17 47 6 % 12.77 US$ 0.03 US$ 3.62
Tue, Mar 14th, 2006 US$ 0.36 42 8 % 19.05 US$ 0.05 US$ 8.57
Mon, Mar 13th, 2006 US$ 0.35 60 17 % 28.33 US$ 0.02 US$ 5.80

Shocking right? I'm quite surprised myself. The traffic can easily increase 50 times when idn.com becomes mainstream.

 

[richard]

Oh damn, i've got to go now; but pls
carry on without me, I want to know
more about traffic and ppc stats etc..
on idn.com.

I think i'm in for a real treat here, i'm
very hyper on idn.com now but just
need to know more about the money
they earn or even what the future
holds for them.

Take care, will be on again soon.

Richard

 

[Explorer]

he can be who he likes

I can tell you that several years from now you'll be re-reading this thread kicking yourself for not understanding/investing in IDNs.

 

[stuff]

I can tell you that several years from now you'll be re-reading this thread kicking yourself for not understanding/investing in IDNs.

can be, but I think in 5 years I will be already retired.
but it can also be that the IDN kings still have all the idn-s and brag about how much they are making in parking and selling them from one domainer to another
It can all be, everyone has the right to his opinion. I don`t come out and call someone and idiot or stupid, just because he dosen`t agree with me.

 

[Smith]

heh this thread is just oozing self protectionism, arrogance, and drama . . . really good read


----


oh and for the record, I'm retiring on a different plan (one based on actual #'s and $), but I am involved in idn's too, more of a comment on the 'holier than thou' characters over idn's.

 

[Rubber Duck]

If you stuck $10 Million in cash on the table
I would laugh in your face.

--

Sorry, I don't have $10mn to offer you Mr.Wrixon.
I am interested to know more about traffic on the
single character Arabic names, since there is no
definitive (conclusive) TLD for Arabia... (yes, I am
aware of .sa, but Arabic is a widely used language).

Are you able to let us know more about traffic?...
then we will examine the names generally using
tried and tested metrics and give our 'valuation'.

Regards

Richard

What do you put at the end? The most known
and most popular extention. Dot Com.

---

Absolutely, in the absence of a commonly
known/understood ccTLD that is exactly what
you would do...

Most of mine are registered as dot com

can be, but I think in 5 years I will be already retired.
but it can also be that the IDN kings still have all the idn-s and brag about how much they are making in parking and selling them from one domainer to another
It can all be, everyone has the right to his opinion. I don`t come out and call someone and idiot or stupid, just because he dosen`t agree with me.

Well, I am looking at divesting all my other business interest within 12 months!

 

[touchring]

Oh damn, i've got to go now; but pls
carry on without me, I want to know
more about traffic and ppc stats etc..
on idn.com.

I think i'm in for a real treat here, i'm
very hyper on idn.com now but just
need to know more about the money
they earn or even what the future
holds for them.

Take care, will be on again soon.

Richard

Well, most of us make mistakes when venturing into idns, but we also learn from our mistakes and earn back over time.

 

[stuff]

Most of mine are registered as dot com



Well, I am looking at divesting all my other business interest within 12 months!

well it all depends, I am not happy with $5 in day, I would like to make a little more. Thats the problem.
thats why it takes a little longer for me

 

[touchring]

well it all depends, I am not happy with $5 in day, I would like to make a little more. Thats the problem.
thats why it takes a little longer for me

If you are making $5 off european idns, it might increase 8-15 times if IE7 becomes mainstream (i consider european idns as typo).

For Chinese/Japanese/Russian idns, it might increase 30-100 times (i consider chinese typing in as "drunken state" type-in - people are drunk so they type in chinese and then switch language to add a .com). Or there's a group of people with nothing to do, and tries typing-in chinese to see if anything comes out. :-D

 

[richard]

Ok, back now; first of all lets invite Bill in
to the discussion to talk more about his
domain, 東京.net (tokyo.net) that recently
sold for $10,000.

Earlier in this thread, Bill advised us that
the .com version of this name was appraised
by experts for between $100,000-$500,000...
Who exactly were the experts who appraised
this domain Bill? (and what factors did they
base the valuation on?).

Can I also ask Bill, what income and traffic
your .net name receives?.. Has the name
ever been promoted, or is its traffic purely
as a result of natural 'type in' hits?

Are you there Bill?

Regards

Richard

<Oh, don't worry Touchring we'll get
around to your fine names, after we've
got 'the skinny' from Bill on his recent
purchase>.

Regards

Richard

 

[Rubber Duck]

Ok, back now; first of all lets invite Bill in
to the discussion to talk more about his
domain, &#26481;&#20140;.net (tokyo.net) that recently
sold for $10,000.

Earlier in this thread, Bill advised us that
the .com version of this name was appraised
by experts for between $100,000-$500,000...
Who exactly were the experts who appraised
this domain Bill? (and what factors did they
base the valuation on?).

Can I also ask Bill, what income and traffic
your .net name receives?.. Has the name
ever been promoted, or is its traffic purely
as a result of natural 'type in' hits?

Are you there Bill?

Regards

Richard

<Oh, don't worry Touchring we'll get
around to your fine names, after we've
got 'the skinny' from Bill on his recent
purchase>.

Regards

Richard

Richard, you are confusing speculation and investment. Domains with a steady supply of traffic sell on earnings multiples are now regarded as solid investments. The capital appreciation on these name is good but will not be spectacular. A true speculator would not look at these names twice. Nothing wrong with them but you are not going to make the 125,000% growth that I made on&#26481;&#20140;.net in just under 6 months.

Rubber Duck

 

[touchring]

Richard, you are confusing speculation and investment. Domains with a steady supply of traffic sell on earnings multiples are now regarded as solid investments. The capital appreciation on these name is good but will not be spectacular. A true speculator would not look at these names twice. Nothing wrong with them but you are not going to make the 125,000% growth that I made on&#26481;&#20140;.net in just under 6 months.

Rubber Duck

Well, the valuation behind tokyo.net is not as simple as just traffic.

Put yourself in Dave's shoes, if you were Dave, would you sell &#26481;&#20140;.net for $10,000?

What's $10,000 in places like Tokyo and New York city? How fast can one with a wife and a child spend $10,000 in these places?