is parked better than sedo?

[netfounder]

IMO， different name choose different PPC company.
Parked choose keyword limitted. but CPC more high than sedo.

 

[Theo]

Netfounder, I agree. It's harder to do when leveraging dozens or hundreds of domains. The mere fact that the same feeds (not the case in our comparison here) produce a large variety in CPC rates shows how unregulated this industry is.

 

[Gerry]

Here's an example of what I copied just now on the landing page of sedo for my domain BleacherMob.com.

Keep in mind, the keywords chosen are NBA BASKETBALL SACRAMENTO KINGS:

Sit Down in Comfort Find cushions and sitting comfort at FirstStreet. Find Better Seats!

Eclipse Cars Must Go When Car Dealers Cut Prices to Meet Quotas — You Get Our Lowest Price! Mitsubishi.

Eclipse Gs St See Photos, Get Quotes & More for the New 2007 Mitsubishi Eclipse!

Mob Enforcer Download a free trial or buy the full version for only $19.99. TryGames.

Pro Skin Lightening Pro skin lightening products for home use. Trial sizes available.

1000's of Ringtones Download Ringtones to Your Phone. Get Them Complimentary Now!

Vegas Mob Tour Choose from 100s of Top Vegas Shows Comedy to Adult at LasVegas.com

Get Lynch Mob Ringtones 10 Complimentary Ringtones No Credit Card Required.

Crime Mob Realtones No Credit Card Required. Enter number and get tunes!

Lexus Auto Glass Quotes Get 3 Lexus Auto Glass Bids Compare Local Prices in 10 Seconds.

Not one result is related to keywords NBA BASKETBALL SACRAMENTO KINGS.

Using the same keywords at Parked, I was excited to see that finally all the relevant feeds were NBA related. Truly happy with what I saw. Yet, Parked did not want to pay for them.

This was my issue with Sedo. Totally ignoring time spent on optimizing keywords. Massive waste of time when you are dealing with hundreds and thousands of domains.

My issue with Parked? Erasing and deleting all clicks and saying they were not real. I agree Acroplex, they do not recognize natural type in traffic. They are too focused on bots and click-fraud that they ignore the real deal.

 

[Theo]

What about Ringtones with the Sacramento Kings anthem?

I still get porn ads at Sweet.org with keyword "Chocolates".

 

[Gerry]

Are you saying Sweet Porn and Chocolate Porn are not popular type-in searches?:lol:

 

[Theo]

It's interesting that no company combines the good features of the others in one package; some annoying glitch will exist. Yeah I am aware of the old saying nobody's perfect, however there are certain straws that break the camel's back when it comes down to maintaining a steady business relationship. My week-long departure from Sedo to Parked, after 33 months of Sedo service was rather educational. As Doc said we need to examine alternative ways to monetize traffic, some of which might require joint effort and investing in new technologies. Finally, as long as Google is God in our yard we will never be able to taste more than a couple of bites from that sweet proverbial apple.

 

[Donny Simonton]

Acroplex and Doc Com most of the people who are commenting here have been using us for a while. I'm not saying we are perfect, but we are trying to make ourselves better everyday. About the 1 hit and 51 clicks, I think I mentioned this before we pay what we are told to pay, our estimate system should have said not to pay for that. But if Yahoo tells us to pay for 51 clicks, we pay you for 51 clicks, that has been our policy, sometimes in cases like this I wish I used the same policy as Sedo bu that could also be why a lot of people are using us now.

Last week I mentioned that the bot issue in our estimate system had been resolved and I'm sure you can ask anybody around who uses Parked that we are no longer having that issue. Our estimate system will never be perfect unless we start paying from our estimates, but we don't have any plans on doing that anytime soon.

Donny

The mere fact that the same feeds (not the case in our comparison here) produce a large variety in CPC rates shows how unregulated this industry is.

I would love to say the domain parking industry will be regulated in my life time, but I don't see how it will ever be possible. For example, as a domain registrar I pay the same price for domains as do all of the domain registrars. I have contracts with ICANN that says that's how it will work.

But in the parking business, one person may get 50% from Yahoo/Google and the next one might be getting 90%, some of it may be based on the luck of the draw, the volume they represent, that they are switching from another provider, or some sales person needs to meet a quota. So that's one major problem. One of the others is how much did you personally make. Yahoo tells us on a domain level how much you made, Google has one system that pays that way and another one that lumps all totals for a day into one number. This is especially where the estimates come in. If a provider has 1 lump sum, how do they know what to pay you? They don't, so they estimate your revenue with the hope that the revenue they receive from the provider is more than what they are paying you.

If your numbers are final at 11:59:59pm each day, you could be making more money than you should or less, because you are being paid on the estimate not on the real numbers you in my opinion are owed. But each parking company has their own way handling this in many ways. No system is perfect with estimates, whether you pay on estimates or if they are just their to give people an idea on how much money they are making throughout the day.

Another reason why rates fluctuate say between Google providers (assuming all using AFD feed) is besides what percentage they are being paid. Which could also be an issue because a large portion of the AFD contracts are tiered which means you get 65% if you do X, 70% if you do y, 75% if you do z, how are you getting paid. If they are getting 75% at the end of the month are you getting paid based on the 65% number? The last part is how much of the overall percentage are you getting from the parking company. Are you getting 50% of what the parking company is getting, 85%, 30%?

There isn't a parking company manual, people have learned over time what works best for them and their partners and for the surfers. Yahoo/Google/Ask will not tell us what we can do, but they will tell us what we can't do. I remember reading that Ed from Namedrive said they had to change/remove the icons on their adult template because Google didn't like it because the icons seemed they related to the search results. But at the same time I have heard that Yahoo didn't like the thumbnails that Trafficz is using on their sites now as well, but they still seem to be up and I think they are cool. We have over 3,400 templates right now and we had Yahoo ask us to not go too raunchy on our adult templates, to me that means just don't show anything, but then our other provider wasn't happy with one of the templates that Yahoo said was fine.

In the end it's all what the advertisers want. If they don't like the Trafficz thumbnails, they will be removed. If enough complain about one of our templates it would be gone as well. And the same goes for a domain and one of our partners. Get written up in a national magazine for having a bunch of TM's in your system and Yahoo/Google will be calling you in 30 seconds.

Enough rambling from me. The only way you will get regulation in the domain parking industry is if there was only one provider like in the domain name business. So unless Microsoft which will have a feed in the near future, Google, or Yahoo buys all of the rest of the companies, I don't see any regulations being set down anytime soon. Unless we all switch to CPA and then my life would be much easier. Wait then I would be relying on the advertisers to tell Yahoo/Google if somebody actually bought something. Yeah, that will happen!

Donny

 

[Gerry]

It should be quite painfully obvious that NO PARKING company is getting it right.

BleacherMob.com...over 1750 hits per month at Sedo, totally irrelevant landers, ignoring keyword optimization.

BleacherMob.com...dead on targeting of keywords and landers at Parked, vendor refusing to pay for any clicks.

No one is right, no one is wrong, everybody is right, everybody is wrong.

And who is paying the true cost of a poor decision making and monitization process? The domain owner.

Yet every parking service claims to have the best payout rate, the best monitization, the best keyword matching service and landers.

Serious issues abound regarding truth in advertising in this sector. Very little focus or attention is paid to the internet companies or web based entities making this claim. But let a brick and mortar store or an established franchise make a false claim and every federal and state regulatory agency is pounching on them and dragging them through the meat grinder and slapping hefty fines on them.

Until the FCC steps in and starts to monitor and enforce such claims (which they won't any time soon) then for the most part internet based companies are free to run business as they see it or how they want to be seen and portrayed. This does not just apply to domain name parking and monitization companies but the internet in general.

So how is it that NameDrive, Parked, Sedo, TrafficZ, iMonitize, DomainSponsor, and ParkingPanel and a host of others all claim to have the highest payout and best monitization at the same time? You can't.

If two breath fresheners and teeth whiteners both claim to give you thre freshest breath and the whitest teeth, then at least one is not disclosing the truth.

 

[Theo]

Long story short after all this smoke clears and the mirrors break: start making headlines outside of the industry. Call the mainstream media, the newspapers, online publications, blogs, tech mags, geek zines. Let them know the PPC area is gray, sticky, smelly, in a muddy sort of way. Instead of calling domain owners "cybersquatters" they will start realizing the "P" in PPC stands for parking pirates. And that's a name that has none of the glamour of the Caribbean movie.

 

[Donny Simonton]

It should be quite painfully obvious that NO PARKING company is getting it right.

I disagree. Maybe no parking company is getting it right for you or maybe your domains. We each have our own expectations of what we should make each day/month. I have tried almost every parking company, but I did signup for a new one last night which I will be trying out today. If you don't trust parking companies so much, maybe you should try the mini site model and either use Adsense or YPN. I know some people that really do well with this model. But I do think we are getting it right for a lot of our customers. I think a lot of parking companies are getting it right for their customers. But sometimes it takes a while to find the right company to work with that you can trust. This is sites like Imonetize and TrafficClub do well, it allows people to try their traffic at a bunch of places.

BleacherMob.com...dead on targeting of keywords and landers at Parked, vendor refusing to pay for any clicks.

We never refused to pay you for clicks that we estimated, we only paid you for clicks that we were paid for.

Yet every parking service claims to have the best payout rate, the best monitization, the best keyword matching service and landers.

I don't claim to have the best monitization or keyword matching service. I could because nobody could prove me otherwise, but I don't claim that at all. I don't claim to have the best landers, nobody can, but I can claim that I have 3,304 different templates right now with 19 waiting for me to approve. "Since nobody knows what the next parking company gets paid. They can all say they have the best payout rates, because unfortunately due to our contracts I can't disclose my rate to you or anybody." That is the quote I was told 3 months before we launched Parked when I asked one of the largest parking companies how they could say they offered the highest payouts when I knew they didn't.

So how is it that NameDrive, Parked, Sedo, TrafficZ, iMonitize, DomainSponsor, and ParkingPanel and a host of others all claim to have the highest payout and best monitization at the same time? You can't.

I answered most of this above, nobody makes a guarantee that you will make more at company X than at company Y, well one company did for a while, but they don't that anymore. Because some domains will do better at Sedo than at Hitfarm or at Domain Sponsor.

If two breath fresheners and teeth whiteners both claim to give you thre freshest breath and the whitest teeth, then at least one is not disclosing the truth.

Actually, this depends on how bad your breath is now and the current color of your teeth. Are we talking how many shades whiter your teeth will be after chewing the gum for 30 minutes? So there is no right answer in this example. What is fresher breath? Now if you made a claim like "we have the spiciest jalapenos", this is something you can easily prove. Or at least with that batch of jalapenos, the next batch you may have to check again to see if they are just as spicy.

Just my 2 cents.

Donny

 

[GAMEFINEST]

Parked has the best landing pages i have seen, excellent headers and graphics...

 

[Theo]

Parked has the best landing pages i have seen, excellent headers and graphics...

I find that statement inaccurate. Parked has templates that *very closely* match the content/keyword of domains, plus their parsing of domains is very advanced; however, the templates themselves are dull and vacant.

 

[Gerry]

I have worked nearly 30 years in the advertising business. Even though I am now in the medical profession, I still maintain contacts with many former clients and take on an occassional freelance job or consult on many projects. Doing this in the first place is what got me interested in domain names many years ago. Just so happens that a medical career is my focus at the moment.

I have worked with many premiere national and international clients including Lane Furniture, RJ Reynolds, Overtons, Phillips, NASCAR, Trek Bicycle, and countless others.

I know all about truth in advertising having worked with many corporate attorneys for these matters as well as patent and trademark laws for national and international trade.

And I also know about smoke and mirrors.

 

[GAMEFINEST]

I find that statement inaccurate. Parked has templates that *very closely* match the content/keyword of domains, plus their parsing of domains is very advanced; however, the templates themselves are dull and vacant.

i like them so there...:smilewinkgrin:

 

[LucidPhoenix]

I get the feeling the trolls have decided to make parked a target. The same guys, spouting the same problems in a very unprofessional manner. When there complaints are addressed my parked employees they instantly get defensive, make derogatory comments then claim that they are being abused by parked employees.

This is the same game over and over. If you do not like a company, do not do business with them, but be mature enough not to troll constantly in their forum trying to stir trouble.

It reminds me of the syndicate that was clicking their competitions parked pages to hurt their traffic and confuse affiliates.

You guys should at least try to be a little less obvious.

Just my 2 cents.

They need a troll smilie.

 

[Theo]

The very definition of a troll is your post: coming here to defend someone, discounting the very reasons that made us post against them. This is a tightly-knit industry believe it or not; certain practices deserve more light when millions are at stake.

 

[Gerry]

I get the feeling the trolls have decided to make parked a target.

I don't mind being called a troll.

Their forum? Their forum exists because we domainers are here. Their forum is a sub section of DNforum. They exist because of domainers, period.

We are in "their forum" due to the fact that we want issues addressed by a certain group of people.

Troll? By the way, how did you end up here on this thread...trolling the forum? And how did you respond to the question at hand?

If you have something constructive to add, then by all means participate.

Look at the question...is parked better than sedo?

What do you say? And why?

If the answer is yes, then why is Sedo worse?

If the answer is no, then why is Parked worse?

We would love the insight of someone who is not trolling the forum.

We anxiously await your response.

Perhaps you can instruct on how to be "a little less obvious" when clicks, money, and funds and stats are being discarded and wiped away and we question this and feel we do not get an adequate or accurate response.

So feel free to pump up the forum with your words of wisdom and first hand knowledge and participation in this matter.

Love,

The Trolls.

 

[Theo]

I don't mind being called a troll.

...

Love,

The Trolls.

I'm the one on the left.

 

[Focus]

Parked.com is the next best thing to having your own feed...all around it's my choice for most domains and I have used them all.....I honestly have about 25+ domains on the first page of google as a result of using parked.com from the moment they got registered and with their seeming google bot popularity, domains that had just a few type-ins a day now are getting alot more from the free google traffic, this is invaluable imo and has helped me sell many domains also since they were ranked so well for popular search terms..for some reason google does'nt realize they are parked pages and thinks they are a website...also, parked will show you instantly all the referrers & regions of your traffic and even what your visitors are clicking on..their traffic stats are exceptional. Also, many domains that are "blocked" everywhere else seem to work just FINE at parked! ...but keep that on the hush hush k:

 

[Gerry]

I'm the one on the left.

But I want to be the one on the left

Also, many domains that are "blocked" everywhere else seem to work just FINE at parked! ...but keep that on the hush hush k:

To be quite honest, I have no blocked domains. The most disturbing part of all this was Parked seemed to be "blocking" my domains by not paying for clicks that they claim they were not being paid for.

So if advertisers are not paying for the clicks, then why are they taking up space on Parked's services? Advertisers that don't pay for clicks? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

If they are not paying then they are getting free clicks and free traffic courtesy of my domain names. So why, in the best interest of Parked, who is obviously in the business to make money from parked domain names, would they direct my parked domains to advertisers who don't pay them?

Parked doesn't get paid, I don't get paid.

...we only paid you for clicks that we were paid for.

Clicks unpaid for were totally erased. I am beginning to feel sorry for Parked. Sounds like they are one getting screwed.

So, in essence, the downstream advertisers are getting free traffic and all they have to do is claim they are not paying for the traffic and that's that.

Quite a novel approach to PPC.