Overzealous moderation

[navpros]

If hotornot.com were listed for sale in this community, would it also be considered "ADULT"??? I would be interested to know. I believe that MrWeb made his decision to move the thread because domain name is currently being used in conjunction with "adult" content. However, Ken has a valid argument based on the sole fact that web content could easily be changed to suit the new name owner's preferences. Also, I have been the victim of "wtfhappenedtomythread syndrome" before, and I must admit I wasn't very happy that it was moved without so much as a simple email explanation. For the record, it has not happened to me at dnf but considering the amount we pay for our memberships, I believe an email should be considered a mandatory courtesy. Especially for an established domainer! Just my two cents worth.

 

[izoot]

My opinion of this situation as I have been edited as well. Is that these adult names are being judged strictly based on your definition ( webnames ) of adult but what your opinion is and what the general opinion might be are different. Some people are more critical of "adult" sounding names based on moral judgement regardless of whether they are being used for porn purpose or more main stream purposes. I know people that if you said "gosh Darnit" in front of them they would go flush ... While I can respect that, most of us are not that sensitive and we are aware the name is here for business not to push porn. Really, as long as its not a live link to a adult site, I don't see the big deal of having those names anywhere.

( you want to see an example of offensive posts, take alittle read of the threads at GFY ( adult webmaster board ) Posts there are no holds barred )

I can recall having a number of ED etc drug names edited out without notification or in this case justification. Vigra and cialis and ED related things should nt be deleted from threads. There were
other situations too but they slip my mind.

My opinion of what needs to be done ( once again no offense webnames ) is the management needs to come up with a standard guideline that covers what adult is. IT can't be left to the personal judgement of one person. It can't be judged on a moral level ... most domainers have no morals

While I think the mods here have good intentions this board has become WAY over moderated. There are cases of deletion and WORSE unnotified modifications that occur way too often. Sometimes things need to run their course with out the staff parenting us. If I recall prior to new ownership, life here wasn't so bad with the mildly moded boards....from what I remember most of us got along very well with the mods.

The moderating on this board is going the way of webhostingtalk.com, we are adults here for the most part and those younger members have proven for the most part to be great additions with decent judgement...take Jordan for example. He handles himself much better than alot of us "older" folks.

Theres been lots of things happening on this board and most involve making money for the site as opposed to making it a better experience for the members. The bottomline is this board is about the community...without us there is no board just a bunch of advertisements.

my 2¢

 

[izoot]

If hotornot.com were listed for sale in this community, would it also be considered "ADULT"??? I would be interested to know. I believe that MrWeb made his decision to move the thread because domain name is currently being used in conjunction with "adult" content. However, Ken has a valid argument based on the sole fact that web content could easily be changed to suit the new name owner's preferences. Also, I have been the victim of "wtfhappenedtomythread syndrome" before, and I must admit I wasn't very happy that it was moved without so much as a simple email explanation. For the record, it has not happened to me at dnf but considering the amount we pay for our memberships, I believe an email should be considered a mandatory courtesy. Especially for an established domainer! Just my two cents worth.

I posted Ratemychick.com and I was told to remove it....whats so bad about a site to rate chickens on?

 

[wolfis.com]

..Well , here we go ..

Adult domain names are (remember that this is my opinion) :

domain names with offensive content which may not be suitable for young (underage) viewers (dealers or buyers) as in LxxkmyPuxxy.com ( just an example).
however names like HxtGxrls.com or Bxsom.biz (female chest) or even SxxChange.info are suitable to be in the regular forum as these kind of domain names do not have an offensive content.

as of deleting posts or editing posts : an email notification would be i guess just wishful thinking - i had posted in the auctions section and checked back a few days later - the post was gone & it did comply with the rules , but i guess not all men are created equal.

my name is wolfgang and i approve of this post !
(but i'm not running for president)

 

[cyphix]

I gotta agree with Ken here.... I think the mods are a little overzealeous when moderating "adult stuff"...

hotgirls.tv definately shouldn't have been moved as it is not a clear-cut porn name & hence doesn't contain any words that are deemed to be offensive.

Another example I had recently was when I listed..

orgasms.biz

.. a mod edited it out of my listing.... huh? Sure, the name could be used for an adult site, but the word itself is not an adult term. It's related to sexuality, not porn!

 

[Honan]

How much do the mods get paid ?

 

[Anthony Ng]

How much do the mods get paid ?

GOOD question.

 

[navpros]

I posted Ratemychick.com and I was told to remove it....whats so bad about a site to rate chickens on?

Heck, there is an existing site called ratemyfish.com. Good point izoot!
In some small towns in the south, having a prized chicken goes a long way. Especially during the state fair. Don't believe me, check out this interesting article:

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0903/103290.html

If that isn't enough, there is also an active forum for open chicken discussions and other poultry related questions:

http://www.poultryconnection.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=2/

:approve:

 

[Sharpy]

If a name has possible adult connotations, but in and of itself is not an adult term, dosn't it then depend on where the site leads, when determining if it best works as adult or its current owner is promoting it as an adult name?

If it leads to a generic sales page or does not resolve and has no offensive terms, it seem it would not be an adult name.

The whole purpose of the adult forum is to protect those that might be offended by certain terms/phrases/images. If a member is interested in purchasing a name for sale, there is a good chance he/she will type in that name to see where it leads.

 

[izoot]

I don't get what is wrong with people.

They hear something on the radio and instead of turning it off they lobby to get it taken off the air.

They see something on the TV and instead of turning it off they lobby to get it taken off the air.

And that same thing applies here...why not just don't look at the name...a name in and of itself is not gonna burn anyones eyes out...and if someone is offened by adult material...then why do they need to go look at the site? How about just go to the next thread ad forget that one...maybe the next guy has something else in mind not porn related.

I have eatmeraw.com, if I post that here will it get removed? It could imply adult theme...but I use it for selling sushimaking kets and will eventually build a Sushi site. There needs to be SET guide lines.

If people don't like seeing something pass over it...don't censor it.

 

[navpros]

Another good point Sharpy. Well said. As I mentioned earlier, I believe that is why MrWeb made his decision to move Ken's domain name into the adult category. But, none-the-less, an email to the thread starter would have been good. I don't believe there were any bad intentions either way, but the issue with what is "adult" and what isn't "adult" still needs to be made clear. If the domain name is live and the website is filled with adult material, then the right decision was made IMO. However, still does not change the fact that I believe (maybe it is wishful thinking) an email to the member with a breif explanation of why it is being moved should have been considered. Maybe not in each case, but definately to an established paying member.

 

[Cash Is King]

I don't believe there were any bad intentions either way, but the issue with what is "adult" and what isn't "adult" still needs to be made clear.

hmmm... I do believe there were bad intentions, however an explanation is needed to make the "adult" category clear.

 

[Mr Webname]

I don't get what is wrong with people.

They hear something on the radio and instead of turning it off they lobby to get it taken off the air.

They see something on the TV and instead of turning it off they lobby to get it taken off the air.

And that same thing applies here...why not just don't look at the name...a name in and of itself is not gonna burn anyones eyes out...and if someone is offened by adult material...then why do they need to go look at the site? How about just go to the next thread ad forget that one...maybe the next guy has something else in mind not porn related.

I have eatmeraw.com, if I post that here will it get removed? It could imply adult theme...but I use it for selling sushimaking kets and will eventually build a Sushi site. There needs to be SET guide lines.

If people don't like seeing something pass over it...don't censor it.

There is an additional issue here with regard to access by minors, which was agreed by Mods and Admin some time ago - this particular name leads to an adult site and is therefore "adult" as regards the decision made.
If you list potatochips.com and it leads to an adult site then it belongs in the adult forum according to the decision made regarding minor restricted access on this forum.

 

[cyphix]

Agreed!

 

[DaddyHalbucks]

Moderators are human, and they make mistakes, and that could be the case here. They probably also shoulder the extra burden of a vague policy/ guidelines on this matter. And little or no pay. So, their task is hard.

That said, my personal belief is that "hot girls" should not be confined to an adult thread.

In my view, the adult area should be for domains which are clearly adult such as domains containing these keywords: XXX, Porn, Sex, MILF, Nude, Naked.. and all the George Carlin swearwords.

There are gray areas. "breastfeeding.org" belongs in a regular forum. "bigbreast.org" belongs in the adult section.

"Hot girls" seems to have substantial non-adult uses.

 

[Anthony Ng]

Maybe not in each case, but definately to an established paying member.

NOT a good idea, I must say. If it is a policy to accompany every forum action with an e-mail or PM, we should treat every member the same, and not just some so-called "established" domainers.

 

[Anthony Ng]

hmmm... I do believe there were bad intentions ...

This is a VERY SERIOUS allegation, and you may want to back it up with some evidence, please.

 

[Sharpy]

izoot, I think we agree. My thoughts were trying to go beyond the particular issue here, trying to suggest possible guidelines for what is adult and what is not.

1. Does the domain name have offensive words?

2. Does the site connected with that domain name have offensive images?

If one or both are true then it would be best sold/promoted in the adult forum.

Problem is what are offensive words and what are offensive images.

If I have a site that sells hair dryers at blowjob.com is that an adult site?

If I am selling the name johnson.com which resolves to a photo rating site for male apendages is that adult?

 

[navpros]

I don't get what is wrong with people.

They hear something on the radio and instead of turning it off they lobby to get it taken off the air.

They see something on the TV and instead of turning it off they lobby to get it taken off the air.

And that same thing applies here...why not just don't look at the name...a name in and of itself is not gonna burn anyones eyes out...and if someone is offened by adult material...then why do they need to go look at the site? How about just go to the next thread ad forget that one...maybe the next guy has something else in mind not porn related.

I have eatmeraw.com, if I post that here will it get removed? It could imply adult theme...but I use it for selling sushimaking kets and will eventually build a Sushi site. There needs to be SET guide lines.

If people don't like seeing something pass over it...don't censor it.

I don't know if eatmeraw.com is a good example in this case, but can't have a professional community without censorship. Bottomline is that we all have different opinions of what should and should not be censored. I am certain that the mods do the best under the circumstances. An old saying comes to mind; "You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time." Or is it the other way around? Hope I got that right. :huh:

I think I have a solution to all of this: *drum role*

Add a voting forum where members with questions concerning edited/moved threads can be voiced. The majority rules. If member receives majority of votes in his/her favor, the thread is considered to be within guidelines of dnf policy and therefore should be moved back to original starting point. Members with voting power should be chosen by the dnf community and dnf staff in an open discussion. Of course, the forum itself is closed to the public and only viewable by thread starter, dnf staff, and the elected council. By doing this, the rest of the community will never have to know that there is an ongoing debate. With this system in place, the thread starter will always have the right to voice his/her opinion of the mods decision and it is called to a vote. Vote is final.

 

[Mr Webname]

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