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[OnSpec]

1) Just because you go and reg a bunch of number .com's doesnt mean that everyone will now go and access the internet all the time from there cellphone automatically converting numbers to generics, and blah blah blah. There are way too many damn websites people want to go to for a number system to ever work. Also, no one is going to give up a nice computer monitor for a small ass cellphone screen.

Well my fellow Canuck, I have to jump in here and disagree with you for a number of reasons:

"Just because you go and reg a bunch of number .com's doesnt mean that everyone will now go and access the internet all the time from there cellphone automatically converting numbers to generics, and blah blah blah."


I fail to see the logic or factual support in your comment.

There are billions of cellphones in use worldwide. There are over 330 million cell phone subscribers in China alone right now and it's expected that that number will grow to over 1 billion by 2009. I suspect that tens of millions of those subscribers will never access the Internet via a computer. The fact is that cellphone penetration globally dwarfs traditional computer access and traffic will increasingly come via wap enabled devices.

Numeric domains are versatile enough so that they can be developed and marketed to represent whatever alphanumeric equvalent they want, and more importantly, in any language the owners choose. Even the domains with numbers 1 and 0 that have no alpha equivalents are in the top .01% of most visited sites according toAlexa (just a guage, not an Alexa do-all-end-all endorsement). www.163.com is the 6th rated english site on the Internet, and number 10 globally. www.3271.com is ranked number 14. www.126.com is ranked 67 etc.

"There are way too many damn websites people want to go to for a number system to ever work."

That comment flies in the face of businesses such as www.WordDial.com. Try this simple test. Take your cellphone or other wap enabled device and type in [B][COLOR=Blue]www.42637.com[/COLOR][/B] (games). Were you prevented from accessing the site because you were in Canada? No. Numeric domains are location agnostic. The Chinese can access the site just as easily as you can. Were you prevented from accessing the site because you had a particular cellphone or handset? No. Numeric domains are device agnostic. Were you prevented form accessing the site because you happen to be a Sprint subscriber? A Telus subscriber? A Verizon, T-Mobile, Orange, Vodafone or Virgin subscriber? No. Numeric domains are carrier agnostic.

"Also, no one is going to give up a nice computer monitor for a small ass cellphone screen."

Millions would seem to disagree with you.

I claim to have zero knowledge regarding IDN domains. They may or may not prove to be what others in this thread claim, or hope they will become. I can say with some degree of confidence that numeric domains are proven. They are versatile, cross many language and other barriers and represent one of the true opportunities on the Internet today.

And speaking of Rick Schwartz, a guy who has been called "lucky" in parts of this thread, guess who owns 78779.com? (you do the potential conversion). I'm not commenting on anyone's choice of development projects, but let's just say that the cat is out of the bag! arty:

More info on numeric domains can be found here: http://www.dnforum.com/thread103561-.html

 

[financialtraffic]

OK, there are a lot of different ways of guestimating all this and currency exchange rates have a big influence but this is one set of figures :

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-gross-domestic-countries-map.html

World Top 10 - Gross Domestic Product Countries
Country In Billion Dollars
United States 10.082
China 6,000
Japan 3,550
India 2,660
Germany 2,184
France 1,540
United Kingdom 1,520
Italy 1,438
Brazil 1,340
Russia 1,270

Don't see Canada featured in this list.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

Dave,
I'm afraid you don't understand your figures. Those appear to be PPP figures.
You're running the stats in parity. Which means "what is the value of that dollar in each respective location." Basically, how valuable are those dollars in their own markets.

If you want to compare countries to countries though, you have to go by total GDP.

If you go by the GDP projections for 2005, you'll see just how far behind in earning power China is.

I'm using stats from the World Bank as denoted on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

 

[JEsports]

I suspect that tens of millions of those subscribers will never access the Internet via a computer.

Reread this again and tell me if it is not the most ridiculous statement you have made in your life. Sorry, Im not buying it ... but good luck with your advertisements

 

[OnSpec]

Certainly not the most ridiculous (I said "I do"... twice!). But thanks for your insightful observations.

 

[Rubber Duck]

Dave,
I'm afraid you don't understand your figures. Those appear to be PPP figures.
You're running the stats in parity. Which means "what is the value of that dollar in each respective location." Basically, how valuable are those dollars in their own markets.

If you want to compare countries to countries though, you have to go by total GDP.

If you go by the GDP projections for 2005, you'll see just how far behind in earning power China is.

I'm using stats from the World Bank as denoted on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

Yes, they are PPP figures, but China is growing by 10% per annum in its own currency. Over the next 10 years or so there is going to be a massive appreciation of the Yuan in relationship to the dollar, which will substantially narrow the gap between the various sets of figures. PPP actually is a much truer reflection of the scale of economic activity within a given country.

America rattles on about the exchange rate with the Yuan, but the truth of the matter is that for American labour to compete, even on a productivity basis, with the Chinese there is going to have to an appreciation ni the %xxx range.

Such a revaluation would effectively mean that China economy would dwarf the US, which is not ultimately surprising because it has 5x the population.

The frightening think is that India is not far behind. India is more focused on knowledge base industries than manufactured goods, so ultimately the impact there could be even more dramatic.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[JEsports]

(I said "I do"... twice!)

hehehe, i hear ya

 

[Rubber Duck]

Dave,
I'm afraid you don't understand your figures. Those appear to be PPP figures.
You're running the stats in parity. Which means "what is the value of that dollar in each respective location." Basically, how valuable are those dollars in their own markets.

If you want to compare countries to countries though, you have to go by total GDP.

If you go by the GDP projections for 2005, you'll see just how far behind in earning power China is.

I'm using stats from the World Bank as denoted on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

To prove the point you would have to reroute all your orders from China to Canada. Obviously, it would be a lot more expensive, but not by the time Canada came up with the goods, in say 2050.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

hehehe, i hear ya

Yes, I think that is one we can all agree on! Certainly one of my most disasterous speculations.

Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[financialtraffic]

To prove the point you would have to reroute all your orders from China to Canada. Obviously, it would be a lot more expensive, but not by the time Canada came up with the goods, in say 2050.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon



Yes, I think that is one we can all agree on! Certainly one of my most disasterous speculations.

Regards
Dave Wrixon

You're also not taking into consideration that the numbers generated by China are mostly because of the much larger aggregate.

1,000 people who earn .10 cents an hour doesn't equal one highly paid professional in another market. Why? Because someone making .10 cents an hour isn't going to spring for a new Dell Laptop computer.

As long as cheap labor is still in China, their consumer market will lag in TRUE spending power.

 

[Rubber Duck]

You're also not taking into consideration that the numbers generated by China are mostly because of the much larger aggregate.

1,000 people who earn .10 cents an hour doesn't equal one highly paid professional in another market. Why? Because someone making .10 cents an hour isn't going to spring for a new Dell Laptop computer.

As long as cheap labor is still in China, their consumer market will lag in TRUE spending power.

Yes, I would have to agree with you there.

However, does the economic contribution of two lawyers fighting it out in New York really add up to much more in terms of economic activity than that of their Beijing counter parts. In the longer-term, I have my doubts.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[financialtraffic]

Time will tell. I don't think things will happen as fast as you expect.
But I hope everything works out.

I'd rather see someone with a forward-looking mindset profit than someone who just gets lucky.

And obviously many of the IDN supporters have their (passionate) thoughts about the future.

Yes, I would have to agree with you there.

However, does the economic contribution of two lawyers fighting it out in New York really add up to much more in terms of economic activity than that of their Beijing counter parts. In the longer-term, I have my doubts.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[Rubber Duck]

Time will tell. I don't think things will happen as fast as you expect.
But I hope everything works out.

I'd rather see someone with a forward-looking mindset profit than someone who just gets lucky.

And obviously many of the IDN supporters have their (passionate) thoughts about the future.

Frankly, I never expect to see the day when Chinese IDN are worth more than their English dot com counterparts.

The issue as to whether IDN will come to dominate Asia markets as opposed to English dot coms generics will be resolved one way or the other over the next two years at most. It will either go one way or the other.

In terms of starting to see significant revenues traffic revenues from China, this will also be resolved over the next couple of years. Whether the IDN or English dot coms will be the main beneficiaries has yet to be seen, but whilst getting close to catching up with the original dot coms may take a decades, a healthy living should be possible on a sizeable portfolio, within the foreseeable future.

Thanks for the good wishes.

Dave Wrixon

 

[ClaireB]

I own a domain since many years (cannot put its name here as it may be considered as advertising it) - actually, I had "coined" the expression, which appealed to many others so there is also a German firm which took the same name with .de in the end. I hope they will pay good cash for my .com one

There is also a big sports magazines publisher who used the name for one of their magazines. I think that only a broker could interest them. I think I wrote to them a year ago and got no response.

But the Germans seem serious about domain names. How can one find out if that company makes big business? It has to do with sports and athletics.

Claire

 

[DaddyHalbucks]

Frankly, I never expect to see the day when Chinese IDN are worth more than their English dot com counterparts.

The issue as to whether IDN will come to dominate Asia markets as opposed to English dot coms generics will be resolved one way or the other over the next two years at most. It will either go one way or the other.

In terms of starting to see significant revenues traffic revenues from China, this will also be resolved over the next couple of years. Whether the IDN or English dot coms will be the main beneficiaries has yet to be seen, but whilst getting close to catching up with the original dot coms may take a decades, a healthy living should be possible on a sizeable portfolio, within the foreseeable future.

Thanks for the good wishes.

Dave Wrixon

Nope. The real issue is if there will one internet, or many internets. Because IDNs are not currently compatible with the existing net; they are not practically compatible in the keyboard sense, and they are not compatible in the security sense.

The guys with the pocket protectors will tell you IDNs are technically compatible, but.. so what?

Maybe these issues will be resolved, maybe they won't.

Until that day, IDNs are a long shot, IMO.

 

[mole]

Microsoft has enlisted some outside help for one of the most anticipated new features of its updated Web browser: the ability to alert people that they may be about to enter a fraudulent Web site.

The company has tapped WholeSecurity, a maker of computer security programs in Austin, Texas, to help Internet Explorer 7, the next version of its browser, identify Web sites designed to trick people into disclosing personal data to identity thieves, the companies said. These "phishing" sites mimic legitimate sites, such as eBay and Citibank, and have contributed to a national identity-theft epidemic.

Microsoft released a beta version of the new browser, also known as IE7, this week to a select group of testers. The company plans to release a second beta version for the general public to test before shipping the final version.

WholeSecurity, which is privately held, is helping Microsoft assemble and maintain a list of verified phishing sites, also known as a blacklist. When people try to visit a Web site on the list, IE7 automatically warns them via a dialog box that the site is fraudulent and suggests they "not continue to this Web site." At that point, people can close the Web page, or continue on if they choose.

WholeSecurity, via a project called the Phish Report Network, has thousands of Web sites in its blacklist and adds more all the time from the hundreds of new sites that contributors flag daily, said John Ball, senior product manager at WholeSecurity. Microsoft helped the company launch the Phish Report Network in February, along with Visa, eBay and eBay's PayPal unit, which all help to build and maintain the list.

Microsoft isn't the first company to build antiphishing features into a Web browser, nor is it the first to tap an outside security company for help with the task. America Online's Netscape unit introduced a new version of the Netscape browser in May with a similar feature. The company has compiled its own blacklist with the input of parent AOL, nonprofit privacy group Truste, VeriSign and security software company Paretologic.

A U.K.-based browser company called Deepnet Technologies claims to have been the first to incorporate antiphishing mechanisms into a browser when it released Deepnet Explorer in December.

But with close to 90 percent market share in the United States, Microsoft is certainly the biggest browser company to attack phishing. Yet, the company doesn't expect its latest efforts to bring an end to these scams.

"Does having a police force wipe out crime?" said Gary Schare, Microsoft's director of IE product management. "The purpose is to contain it. It's a tall order to say this will wipe out phishing."

Other browser companies applauded Microsoft's antiphishing moves and agreed that it's a hard problem to tackle. The Mozilla Foundation has decided not to incorporate antiphishing technology into its increasingly popular Firefox browser, opting instead to focus on the e-mail side of the problem. An upcoming version of Mozilla's Thunderbird e-mail program is designed to alert users to messages containing links to phishing sites, said Chris Hofmann, director of engineering at the Mozilla Foundation. E-mail is the way most phishers lure people to their sites.

Microsoft is doing something similar with its Hotmail service. If a suspicious e-mail arrives, the test version of Hotmail does not display the e-mail but rather warns users that the e-mail appears to be potentially fraudulent and asks if they want to block or allow e-mails from the sender of the message.

The Thunderbird program will rely on a tool that automatically analyzes the attributes of links, rather than on a blacklist, Hofmann added. "The large volume of content, and the dynamic nature of the Web, make managing a list of potential phishing sites an incredibly hard job," he said.

That challenge is one reason Microsoft has signed up with WholeSecurity to manage the blacklist for IE7, Schare said. It will also encourage browser customers to report suspicious sites directly to Microsoft via a button in the new browser. The company has the ability to update the list every 20 minutes, he added. That's critical, because phishing attacks often come and go within a matter of hours.





Previous Next Microsoft is assembling a "whitelist" of legitimate sites, too, that the browser won't bother sniffing out on a regular basis, which should save on network cycles.

But phishers are already learning how to work around some of the simpler methods being used to thwart them, said Deepnet Chief Executive Yurong Lin. For instance, more phishers are registering domain names for their sites rather than using numeric Web addresses, he said. Lin believes it's a response to the fact that Deepnet's browser has been warning people that sites lacking domain names are suspicious.

"The phishers will find some other way," Lin said. "It's like antispam. There are antispam programs, and spam still exists. We have anti-spyware, and spyware still exists."

 

[Rubber Duck]

Microsoft has enlisted some outside help for one of the most anticipated new features of its updated Web browser: the ability to alert people that they may be about to enter a fraudulent Web site....."

Thanks for that very useful article. Most informative. Unfortunately, you overlook the fact whole problem is down to IDN and if they are somehow banned the whole problem will just quietly go away and then DaddyHalbucks will be able to sleep at night!:cheeky:

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[Domagon]

Once the spammers/scammers/etc embrace IDNs, expect them to be blacklisted in bulk ...

Some proposals call for displaying IDN domains in a different color, etc in browsers - that alone will likely greatly hurt adoption of IDNs as many folks will associated them with scammers, etc; many companies, etc may still choose to use IDNs for redirects, but likely rely on traditional domains for their primary sites to better ensure security and compatibility.

In a nutshell, while some folks here seem to be betting the ranch on IDNs, traditional domains will remain dominent well into the foreseeable future; as other posters have already stated, things tend not to happen as quick as one would expect - especially in an arena that's quite matured ... internet, as most folks know it, has little changed in the past 10 years - yes, it's a bit faster, more color, more sound, etc, but overall not that much different than in 1995.

Ron

 

[mole]

but overall not that much different than in 1995.

I have been working on a project for i-mode mobile internet, and I am surprised at the DEGREE in which the web HAS changed since 1995.

The so-called 'silly" extension .MOBI is starting to make perfect sense.

And to the disbelieving .COM obsessed crowd don't say you didn't read it here on this forum and prepared yourself - .XXX is going make the value of porno .COM plummet like a beached whale in summer as governments and ISPs around the world take this opportunity to prevent their children from seeing naked people and lewd acts.

IDNs must happen as the Internet reaches serious global penetration proportions, less than 3% of the population in Japan and China can't even understand smattering English. They live and breath characters you can't even begin to decipher.

As for .BIZ, I keep bouncing into them more and more frequently as SMEs chose to build websites on the extension for B2B transactions in replacement for .COM.

I think the smartest person in this game was Yun Ye, who caught thousands of names for only $40 at Snapnames in the good ol days, and through catches with direct registrar connections for free (after having paid for the use of them of course).

The biggest losers are those who chose to come in the past one year and forced to pay 900 months revenue for names in drop auctions.

Yes, .COMmers have no other alternative today but to beat the colonial drum to spin up the value of their holdings and to encourage buyers to pay the ransom. I'm not saying that's bad, since each and everyone of us needs to make a living somehow.

Just think twice before undermining the growing adoption and influence of new namespace, including IDNs, like the proverbial ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

The sky is falling. Change will never happen! d

 

[Rubber Duck]

Reply to Domagon

Once the spammers/scammers/etc embrace IDNs, expect them to be blacklisted in bulk ...

SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT YOU ARE TELLING US IS THAT CURRENTLY IDN ARE NOT PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WOES OF THE WORLD AND ALL THIS IDN PHISHING HYPE IS LARGELY CONJECTURE!

Some proposals call for displaying IDN domains in a different color, etc in browsers - that alone will likely greatly hurt adoption of IDNs as many folks will associated them with scammers, etc; many companies, etc may still choose to use IDNs for redirects, but likely rely on traditional domains for their primary sites to better ensure security and compatibility.

MORE CONJECTURE! IE 7.0 IS THE BROWSER THAT MATTERS IN TERMS OF ADOPTION. SEE ABOVE FOR DETAILED EXPLANATION OF MS STRATEGY TO THE DEGREE IT HAS BEEN LEAKED.

In a nutshell, while some folks here seem to be betting the ranch on IDNs, traditional domains will remain dominent well into the foreseeable future; as other posters have already stated, things tend not to happen as quick as one would expect - especially in an arena that's quite matured ... internet, as most folks know it, has little changed in the past 10 years - yes, it's a bit faster, more color, more sound, etc, but overall not that much different than in 1995.

I FEAR YOU PARANOIA OVER IDN INVADING YOUR LITTLE MIDDLE AMERICA IS TOTALLY MISPLACED. THAT IS TO TOTALLY MISS THE POINT. IT IS A QUESTION OF WHAT IS GOING TO DOMINATE THE ESTABLISHED AND EMERGING ECONOMIC SUPER-POWERS OF ASIA.

AS FOR THE INTERNET NOT HAVING CHANGED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. I BEG TO DIFFER. 10 YEARS AGO THERE WAS VIRTUALLY NO CONTENT AND ONLY A HANDFUL OF REGISTERED DOMAINS. THIS IS THE STATE OF PLAY CURRENTLY WITH ARABIC AND HINDI MARKETS. JAPAN, RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE A BIT FURTHER AHEAD. WHAT HAS CHANGED MOST IN THESER MARKETS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS IS THAT LOCAL TEXT IS NOW LARGELY IN UNICODE WHERAS A FEW YEARS AGO MOST LOCAL CHARACTERS COULD ONLY BE DISPLAYED AS BITMAPS WHICH COULD NOT BE INDEXED BY SEARCH ENGINES. INDEED 10 YEARS AGO SEARCH WAS VIRTUALLY NON EXISTENT EVEN FOR ENGLISH SITES. FURTHERMORE, PPC,THE BREAD AND BUTTER OF DOMAINERS, HADN'T GOT OF THE GROUND.

NOT CHANGED IN 10 YEARS. YOUR INSIGHTS ASTOUND ME!

DAVE WRIXON

 

[Mr. Deleted]

3% of the population in Japan and China can't even understand smattering English

is that can or can't?

Also your sig image it linking to http://www./

 

[DaddyHalbucks]

The other problem with IDNs is the inherent nature of the traffic. Even if you assume that the person has the appropriate keyboard, and the IDNs will work (not be blocked) --how to make money from that person? Just because alot of Chinese folk are on your website, even if they WANT to buy, doesn't mean they will convert to paying customers. Billing is the other weak link for foreign traffic.

The free market will be under pressure to solve this problem though.