Presidential News Conference

[zouzas]

Originally posted by RMF
Incase any of you care, Bush is to talk any minute now. Watch CNN.

RMF

Debate it at Debate.us Where Freedom of Speech Rules!!!

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by vivnet

Agreed - Since I read the NY Times on a daily basis I am aware of this bias and while 99% of the time I don't share the same view and very often oppose it vehemently, I have to say that this time they are 100% on the mark.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have an opinion. I agree sometimes with Rush Limbaugh, however only in mutual opinion. For actual facts I gather them myself. There is nothing factual in that article, rather most of it's opinion, hence the reason it's called an "editorial" otherwise known as an op-ed.

 

[namegame]

Originally posted by izopod
Here is an example of a biased story regarding Bush's Fed court nominee, Miguel Estrada:

http://www.aflcio.org/issuespolitics/civilrights/ns02132003.cfm
Izopodian Philosophy: To quote liberal or conservative news sources is about as intelligent as relying on Saddam Hussein to quietly dismantle his cache of weapons.

I don't mean to be rude Izopod - I think you bring up some very valid points - but the topic of this thread has somewhat been diluted. Nothing against you, as I think we are all doing the same thing - desperately trying to avoid the reality that WWWIII is emminent.

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by bidawinner
I see more businesses are layoff offpeople in my City.. another 400 jobs gone... I see the latest Jobs rports says we just lost another 350,000 jobs nationwide...


Oh yeah Bush's popular alright..

Bid, you live in a "tax and spend" mecca---Minnesota never saved any money back when things were good. They spent like crazy. Trust me, I know Minnesota as I grew up there. The democrat controlled state house/senate can't help themselves from the "cookie jar". It' funny but this cycle has been going on for years and every time there is a Republican in the Whitehouse they blame Washington. If there is a Democrat in the Whitehouse, but a Republican govenor they will blame the govenor for the downturn.

Layoff's at union plants in Minnesota is nothing new in a down economy. The wages are too high to sustain normal business operations. Since business cycles ebb and flow (a natural occurrence) you'll always have layoffs in heavy democratic areas when the economy is soft.

Oh, and yes Bush is popular depending on which newspaper you believe. It's the governor's that have to worry. The government wasn't created soley to create jobs. It's "job" of the government to let entrepreneurs do what they do best: Create jobs.

Btw: The governor from California, "Gray-out" Davis tried to pin his problems on the Bush administration. That got him some headlines for a couple of weeks. Now even his own party is trying to recall his election to oust him.

 

[namegame]

Originally posted by izopod


Bid, you live in a "tax and spend" mecca---Minnesota never saved any money back when things were good. They spent like crazy. Trust me, I know Minnesota as I grew up there. The democrat controlled state house/senate can't help themselves from the "cookie jar". It' funny but this cycle has been going on for years and every time there is a Republican in the Whitehouse they blame Washington. If there is a Democrat in the Whitehouse, but a Republican govenor they will blame the govenor for the downturn.

Layoff's at union plants in Minnesota is nothing new in a down economy. The wages are too high to sustain normal business operations. Since business cycles ebb and flow (a natural occurrence) you'll always have layoffs in heavy democratic areas when the economy is soft.

Oh, and yes Bush is popular depending on which newspaper you believe. It's the governor's that have to worry. The government wasn't created soley to create jobs. It is "job" of the government to let entrepreneurs do what they do best: Create jobs.

Btw: The governor from California, "Gray-out" Davis tried to pin his problems on the Bush administration. That got him some headlines for a couple of weeks. Now even his own party is trying to recall his election to oust him.

Glad to see we are back to the topic of this thread!!

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by vivnet

I don't mean to be rude Izopod - I think you bring up some very valid points - but the topic of this thread has somewhat been diluted. Nothing against you, as I think we are all doing the same thing - desperately trying to avoid the reality that WWWIII is emminent.

I think I brought up the Miguel Estrada issue to highlight the problems from getting news from media outlets that are heavily biased (either right or left). It would seem you've been watching/listening to news outlets that have gone into all the "doomsday" scenario's "if we are not successful". (Not to be rude back, but take a step back).

One thing for sure, I served in both the Air Force and Army National Guard. The United States will prevail. The cost of not doing anything is far greater then letting Saddam Hussein carry on "business as usual". Even Sen. Daschle said on the Senate floor in 1998 that "something has to be done".

 

[namegame]

Originally posted by izopod


I think I brought up the Miguel Estrada issue to highlight the problems from getting news from media outlets that are heavily biased (either right or left). It would seem you've been watching/listening to news outlets that have gone into all the "doomsday" scenario's "if we are not successful". (Not to be rude back, but take a step back).

One thing for sure, I served in both the Air Force and Army National Guard. The United States will prevail. The cost of not doing anything is far greater then letting Saddam Hussein carry on "business as usual". Even Sen. Daschle said on the Senate floor in 1998 that "something has to be done".

Folks is this overkill or what?

 

[izopod]

One last jibe (I'm allowed one every know and then):

If the democrats think of themselves as open minded people, why do they usually get their news from "like minded" people.

think hard on that, then come back and tell me WWIII is about to kick off.

The alternative would be to do nothing which has proven to be disastorous. If you are at all familiar with history it was because the United States failed to engage a threat that we ended up in the middle of WWII...

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by vivnet

Folks is this overkill or what?

Nope, just the facts...

 

[namegame]

Originally posted by izopod
One last jibe (I'm allowed one every know and then):

If the democrats think of themselves as open minded people, why do they usually get their news from "like minded" people.

think hard on that, then come back and tell me WWIII is about to kick off.

The alternative would be to do nothing which has proven to be disastorous. If you are at all familiar with history it was because the United States failed to engage a threat that we ended up in the middle of WWII...

Izopod - again, I don't mean sound disparaging but you have totally missed the point - I AM a Republican - A Republican that is open-minded enough to weigh all options and points of view - We can agree to disagree politely without assuming that we all get our news from "like minded people". Geez Louise! Get a Life!

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by vivnet

Izopod - again, I don't mean sound disparaging but you have totally missed the point - I AM a Republican

I am not debating you so don't flatter yourself, on the contrary, I am debating 1) News Bias 2) Democratic faulty thinking and 3) Reasons why Bush is doing the "right thing". I couldn't care a less if you are Republican or not.

 

[namegame]

Originally posted by izopod


I am not debating you so don't flatter yourself, on the contrary, I am debating 1) News Bias 2) Democratic faulty thinking and 3) Reasons why Bush is doing the "right thing". I couldn't care a less if you are Republican or not.

Yeah right!!!! YOU began this debate by quoting ME so please don't twist, distort and reinvent the facts to suit your fancy. My final response to you is this: Please feel free free to respond to this post and please by all means quote me out of context since not only do you love and are hell bent on distorting the picture to suit your needs you also LOVE having the LAST WORD!

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by izopod


I am not debating you so don't flatter yourself, on the contrary, I am debating 1) News Bias 2) Democratic faulty thinking and 3) Reasons why Bush is doing the "right thing". I couldn't care a less if you are Republican or not.

--- If you got lost in this "debate" the reason I quoted you was because of #1. You said you agreed with a liberal News org. So in effect I wasn't debating YOU, I was introducing doubt as to the validity of the story you "liked".

 

[namegame]

Originally posted by izopod


--- If you got lost in this "debate" the reason I quoted you was because of #1. You said you agreed with a liberal News org. So in effect I wasn't debating YOU, I was introducing doubt as to the validity of the story you "liked".

Call this a debate? Whatever floats your boat!!! Let's leave it at that.

 

[izopod]

Originally posted by vivnet

Call this a debate? Whatever floats your boat!!! Let's leave it at that.

Hmmm, maybe you did catch my use of quotations around the word "debate" in my post above.

 

[fizz]

Originally posted by izopod
One thing for sure, I served in both the Air Force and Army National Guard. The United States will prevail

There is absolutely no question of the ability of the US and the UK to win a war in Iraq, based on very simple calculations of huge manpower and superior military technology. It’s almost a foregone conclusion.

The concern for many in the world is the effect this war will have on the rest of us in the months and years to come.

 

[namegame]

Originally posted by izopod


Hmmm, maybe you did catch my use of quotations around the word "debate" in my post above.

Hmmm, if you consider this a "debate" - All is well.....

 

[namegame]

Originally posted by fizz

There is absolutely no question of the ability of the US and the UK to win a war in Iraq, based on very simple calculations of huge manpower and superior military technology. It’s almost a foregone conclusion.

The concern for many in the world is the effect this war will have on the rest of us in the months and years to come.

Very well said and my thoughts exactly!

 

[Cash Is King]

For the people of the United States and Great Britian, It is about time you support the leaders of your country and the soldgiers that will eventually be in some real action.

Second guessers and peace movers need to take a back seat, because if you were that damn good, you would be sitting in Mr. Bush's Chair.

If you remember Mr. Bush's 1st speech after 911, He said " If your against the United States then you are a terrorist". It is my belief he needs to hold the people of the united states to this same standard. Mr. Bush would then get the respect he deserves.

It is the leaders and military of this country (USA) that makes us the best in the world. At this point 110% support is needed for the troops of this military action.

I support Bush. I support War.

 

[RMF]

I'm not exactly a big fan of bush, but Suddam is a threat to this world, and he needs to be dealt with. The problem is, he won't leave his country like Bin Laden left his. Suddam will fight to the end, and he will take out everybody he can, including his own people, with him.

A side note about chemical weapons. Ever look up at the sky?. See those ChemTrails(Not Contrails)?. Well, I'm more afraid about what our military is doing to us by spraying those chemtrails, then what Suddam COULD do to us.

RMF