Report TM Infringers Who Post on DNForum

[MAllie]

Don't talk to me about the meaning of the word snitching...come in Italy where I live, talk bad about someone and snitch...you return at home inside a cellophane.

Or you are another guy that love the idea to report all TM domains for sale here?

Carter, are you saying that such behaviour is commendable? I think we all know the problems Italy has had (and still has) with so-called family.

Don't you think that if someone really wanted to 'snitch' on TM-holding domainers, he would already have done so rather than using a forum of which he is a respected member to try to highlight the problems this brings for himself and domainers in general? Some people might think this a very responsible attitude to take. I would be one of them.

 

[Sonny Banks]

Carter, are you saying that such behaviour is commendable? I think we all know the problems Italy has had (and still has) with so-called family.

Don't you think that if someone really wanted to 'snitch' on TM-holding domainers, he would already have done so rather than using a forum of which he is a respected member to try to highlight the problems this brings for himself and domainers in general? Some people might think this a very responsible attitude to take. I would be one of them.

I only said it's not a correct attitude report TM domains for sale.
This a paid forum, we went here to make business.
There is a section intitled "Traffic domains for sale" and there are some TM domains for sale.
What this thread meaning?
If you don't like TM names, don't buy them.
But let every person here make it's own work at best.
Tm domains and typos are a part of this game.
Like it or not.

 

[Focus]

Stop with the family nonsense. You and I aren't family. This is a BUSINESS forum plain and simple and you should remember that there are rules to follow here.

I like to say one thing about snitching. In Baltimore City which is not to far from where I live people believe so much in not snitching that drug dealers, thugs, gang bangers etc. get away with the shit they do. In some neighborhoods the citizens are so fearful of being labeled a snitch that many will not testify against anyone. As long as this type of thinking remains parts of Baltimore City(West Baltimore) will remain a shit hole.

That's great dude except drug dealing & gang activity in the inner city and selling or owning tm domains are'nt even in the same ballpark, lol.

TM names and typos are not actually even "illegal" (it is a civil matter with the TM holder) you don't make a vaild comparison here at all. :uhoh:

 

[PRED]

i read all 4 pages b i t c h e s.
keep going .....................:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Focus]

Want some ball butter for that Preddy? :laugh:

 

[Deleted member 5660]

Word Mark MANHATTAN
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Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 78974428
Filing Date September 14, 2006
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition October 23, 2007
Registration Number 3365965
Registration Date January 8, 2008
Owner (REGISTRANT) Steelcase Development Corporation CORPORATION MICHIGAN 6100 East Paris Avenue S.E. Caledonia MICHIGAN 49316
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record Brian E. Ainsworth
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL-2(F)
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

 

[tonyfloyd]

I said SOME OF US.
Not you.
You're right.
Me and you are not a family.
This is the reason I never spent a dime on your names and never will.

Don't talk to me about the meaning of the word snitching...come in Italy where I live, talk bad about someone and snitch...you return at home inside a cellophane.

Or you are another guy that love the idea to report all TM domains for sale here?

Tell 'em Jacopo!!!

La Cosa Nostra...

where did Tony Soprano go??..

 

[Sonny Banks]

Tell 'em Jacopo!!!

La Cosa Nostra...

where did Tony Soprano go??..

He f... some chicks in the office of Bada Bing LOL

 

[tonyfloyd]

He f... some chicks in the office of Bada Bing LOL

lol.....Tony loves those Bada Bing chicas!...

 

[Biggie]

interesting thread ...but very predictable

predictable in that... "any group can and still will be broken down, when they are divided"

domainers are a group, a group of individual entreprenuers who have established control over and direct what millions of internet users see everyday.
by owning millions of domain names, this group has established a business model which have produced "rates of return" that are higher than any other industry, when compared to the initial cost of investment.

that being said.

what you/we have is something "they" want.

they are ....the gov, and all companies who have or will get a trademark, including and most specifically, (googol).


now the tm question


my reply is....


when those domainers who only have "generic" non-infringing domain names "stop" selling their domains names to those "cybersquatters" who made money from parking.

then and only then will they be totally "squatter" free.
then i will feel they are serious.

because then they won't be part of the profit cycle resulting from the buying,selling and parking of tm-related domain names.

if you want to divest, then you must divest totally

imo....

you can't call other domainers squatters, if you're taking their ppc money during a sales transaction, as they ( the tm infringers ) are trying to "cleanse" their own portfolios.

so in defense, you may say "well how do i know where the money is coming from?"

but did you ask the buyer if his income or cash came from the result of selling or parking "tm related" domains?

are the "generic" domainers going to now refuse to sell their names to anyone who has tm names?

if you're selling your generics thru sedo or other auctions, how do you know?

does it matter where the money comes from, as long as they pay?

like some people won't take drug money from a friend or family, when they know they are starving.

but in this case, the generic domain holders are not starving.

there are other issues as well.

but if the "group" wants to end squatting, then the group should work together, rather than against each other or divide itself into factions.


"keep the profit cycle going until you work on a solution for all, not some."

 

[acronym007]

interesting thread ...but very predictable

predictable in that... "any group can and still will be broken down, when they are divided"

domainers are a group, a group of individual entreprenuers who have established control over and direct what millions of internet users see everyday.
by owning millions of domain names, this group has established a business model which have produced "rates of return" that are higher than any other industry, when compared to the initial cost of investment.

that being said.

what you/we have is something "they" want.

they are ....the gov, and all companies who have or will get a trademark, including and most specifically, (googol).


now the tm question


my reply is....


when those domainers who only have "generic" non-infringing domain names "stop" selling their domains names to those "cybersquatters" who made money from parking.

then and only then will they be totally "squatter" free.
then i will feel they are serious.

because then they won't be part of the profit cycle resulting from the buying,selling and parking of tm-related domain names.

if you want to divest, then you must divest totally

imo....

you can't call other domainers squatters, if you're taking their ppc money during a sales transaction, as they ( the tm infringers ) are trying to "cleanse" their own portfolios.

so in defense, you may say "well how do i know where the money is coming from?"

but did you ask the buyer if his income or cash came from the result of selling or parking "tm related" domains?

are the "generic" domainers going to now refuse to sell their names to anyone who has tm names?

if you're selling your generics thru sedo or other auctions, how do you know?

does it matter where the money comes from, as long as they pay?

like some people won't take drug money from a friend or family, when they know they are starving.

but in this case, the generic domain holders are not starving.

there are other issues as well.

but if the "group" wants to end squatting, then the group should work together, rather than against each other or divide itself into factions.


"keep the profit cycle going until you work on a solution for all, not some."

Interesting post, different viewpoint, well said!

 

[Donald Aquilano]

I said SOME OF US.
Not you.
You're right.
Me and you are not a family.
This is the reason I never spent a dime on your names and never will.

Its unfortunate you feel the way you do. I never let personal feelings get in the way of business. If you had a domain I wanted I buy it. Its that simple.

Or you are another guy that love the idea to report all TM domains for sale here?

No I'm not interested in reporting TM domains. What I am interested in is having the mods enforce the rules here. If they see a blatant violation of a TM domain they should close the thread and give a warning to the individual not to do it again.

 

[acronym007]

The mods do enforce the rules, I think the trick here is blatant. TM ownership is not as black and white as everyone paints it. Is microsoftsucks.lol a blatant violation? Nope, but opinions may differ. Mods can't or won't go around beating people up, then they might hit one guy and miss another. We should police ourselves, people shouldn't buy TM domains, if there is no market for TM domains this is a dead issue. It's like drugs, it's not stopping the flow, it's stopping the need and want. If no one buys, no one sells, simple supply and demand.

 

[TheLegendaryJP]

TM Infringing, what does this mean ?

 

[Focus]

I wish I had some good typos....anyone selling any?

 

[carlton]

Word Mark MANHATTAN
Goods and Services IC 020. US 002 013 022 025 032 050. G & S: Office furniture. FIRST USE: 19870600. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19870600
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 78974428
Filing Date September 14, 2006
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition October 23, 2007
Registration Number 3365965
Registration Date January 8, 2008
Owner (REGISTRANT) Steelcase Development Corporation CORPORATION MICHIGAN 6100 East Paris Avenue S.E. Caledonia MICHIGAN 49316
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record Brian E. Ainsworth
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL-2(F)
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

from USPTO ...

1210 Refusal on Basis of Geographic Significance

Section 2(e)(2) of the Trademark Act, 15 U.S.C. §1052(e)(2), prohibits registration on the Principal Register of a mark that is primarily geographically descriptive of the goods or services named in the application.

TM Infringing, what does this mean ?

JP, to answer your question - Cybersquatting for the purpose of the thread discussion: "registering, trafficking in, or using a domain name with bad faith intent to profit from the goodwill of a trademark belonging to someone else."

Focus, I think Carlton's point may have been that this is what's happening when domainers on a respected forum appear to be flouting TM laws.

For me, there's a very fine line between minding your own business and not acting as judge and jury, and condoning particular behaviour through your silence.

This may only be a domain forum, and not particularly important in terms of greater world events, but we all know what has happened in history when those who perceive something to be wrong decide not to speak out about it.

One of the ideals I think most attractive about the American dream is the right to speak your mind freely, whether on a domain forum or anywhere else, unless what you say in some way breaks the law (through racism, etc.)

I congratulate Carlton on his attempt to provoke a meaningful discussion on trademarks in domaining even though, as so often happens on forums, it is his intention rather than what he is saying that gets attacked as a result.

However, to be fair, I have seen some comments in the Appraisals' section that particular names may have TM problems. Once this has been pointed out, it is then up to the individual to do something about it.

Thank you for contributing to the discussion. I appreciate your willingness to look at the issue objectively.

 

[IBN]

Question for Carlton & Whoever...

In what ways does dealing in TM names & typos directly or indirectly affect the Domain Industry? From the BIG domainers & companies that taste thousands of TM names & typos and keep the ones that make money all the way down to the little guys that have a few and buy and sell them here and there, How does or how will it affect those that do not deal in TM names. I.e,. is calling people a snitch in this regard being penny wise and pound foolish?

If the TM problems help to contribute to PPC loss, snowe bills, ect.. ect.. then the problem would be with those who do not snitch as all of us would loose whether we deal in Tm's or not, No?

I'm looking for a clear picture of how the TM problems would affect or currently affects the non-TM domaining aspect of the industry. I would guess it has some type of affect as the forums have rules against the selling and buying of blatant TM names, Why?

 

[allroundguy]

Many people seem to not know what TM's are about.

I am running CokeBay.com and Q8.ms since several years without any problem.
For as long as I don't promote some soft drinks, auctions or oil products, I am safe.
Similarity? Yes, some, but that degree of similarity is not enough.
Are the domains offered for sale? Yes, of course.
But not directly to any holder of some similar name or domain.
I am doing nothing that infringes anybodies rights and there is no bad faith.

It is the product line that makes the difference.
No competition = No TM infringement.
TM's are about Entrepreneur Identity, not about Product Identity.

Here is what the USPTO says:
Start quote:
"""What is a trademark or service mark?

* A trademark is a word, phrase, symbol or design, or a combination of words, phrases, symbols or designs, that identifies and distinguishes the source of the goods of one party from those of others.
* A service mark is the same as a trademark, except that it identifies and distinguishes the source of a service rather than a product. Throughout this booklet, the terms "trademark" and "mark" refer to both trademarks and service marks.
"""
End of quote.

***People should read what is written.***
Unfortunately, some officials spoke a few contradicting sentences.
Butt that does not take down the basics of TM.

---> Nobody here accepts or promotes TM infringement.
---> We just use the tools available within legal ranges.

TM infringement is about
***Similar Name + Similar Product***

TM infringement originates when a domain (SLD+TLD) is used to promote an existing similar product with an existing similar name.
Indeed, there is discussion about the importance of the TLD vs. the SLD.
But that may become stable when panelists will understand and accept:
---> "domain" = "SLD+TLD" together.

There's nobody infringing around here.
Let's do business as usual.
Yee-Ha ...