To all anti-war protestors

[izopod]

Originally posted by nameslave

Not intended to flame, but the truth is:

Protesters don't kill, troops do.

If you have seen Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket, you'll know that the military is trained to KILL, nothing else.

This by far is the "dumbest" post ever to have graced the internet.

Here's is a clue for you NS. Soldiers are trained to protect innocent lives, secure areas and yes kill, but usually it's ENEMY soldiers.

If' you'll notice the US/UK efforts in Iraq are to dispose a menace to the free world.

One last thing. Protestors who actually are committed to a particular cause are very few in numbers. Most protestors probably couldn't even show you where Iraq is on a map!!!

 

[hellstrom]

As I told BA before, my sincere thanks go to America and Britain.

 

[Anthony Ng]

Originally posted by britishangel
You don't have to agree with the war to respect people who are fighting for the freedoms ...

I personally respect MOST human beings whether they are Americans, Canadians, Iraqis or Iranians. But frankly, I repect silly people just a little bit less when they act foolishly thinking that they are doing the right thing; and I despise those hypocrites who KNOW that they are doing something wrong but lie about it to others (like that old guy who just had an interview with Wolf on CNN about an hour ago).

Fighting for freedom? We have already LOST way too much AFTER 911, like that so-called "enemy combatants" thing, remember? Talking about FREEDOM ...

 

[britishangel]

We already lost too much after 9/11?

You're damn right we did, i lost family but i'm still not against the war. I would much rather go after the assholes who did it and take care of them so that we don't experience another 9/11 BUT that's just me, war loving, peace hating, kill everybody who's different, don't know a damn thing i'm talking about Briton/American that I am...

 

[beatz]

One thing is for sure:

This saturday,

40.000 - 100.000 protesters against the war alone in NYC.
500.000 in London
150.000 in germany
20.000 in Helsinki
Greece,Denmark,Switzerland,Spain...and so on

But hey, i guess they all simply must be wrong,right?

 

[britishangel]

Never made any statement that protestors were wrong just wanted to respect troops

 

[izoot]

NS:Fighting for freedom? We have already LOST way too much AFTER 911, like that so-called "enemy combatants" thing, remember? Talking about FREEDOM

I'm not sure what this means and why LOST is in caps.

Should the US not have responded to this 9-11 attack?

Or are you showing sympathy for the "So-called enemy combatants" ? Were they not enemies of the US and democracy...or do you imply we deserved their murderous actions?

I'm hoping I'm misunderstanding your post, it would be most unfortunate to know we have a terrorist sympathizer amongst us.

Maybe you would have preferred that no one responded to the terrorist attacks and terrorist threats...as your concerned that we are just pissing off the terrorists and provoking more attacks by them....that would be sad as that would mean that they have succeeded in terrorizing you.

The terrorists and their supporters will continue to hate us and ANYONE that thinks differently than them, whether we respond or not. They won't just go away, they have an agenda ( to expand their way of thinking or kill off anyone who won't sucumb to it ) that they will die trying to fullfill it.

Where do you stand? with the terrorists or with the freeworld?

How many innocent men women and children need to die because they refuse to be sucked into a mentality from a thousand years ago?

 

[Anthony Ng]

Originally posted by britishangel
... i lost family ...

I'm sorry hearing about that. The Bin Ladin gang is reckless when they think a higher cause could justify this so-called "collatoral damage". Many anti-war protesters are against the killing of innocent civilians, including those that died in 911. But if you remember, it's WAR. I do not see the difference between those killed in the two towers or on the planes than those being killed in Iraq RIGHT NOW!

 

[beatz]

A few pics:

http://n-tv.de/images/200303/3148437_Irak_Soldaten.jpg
http://n-tv.de/images/200303/3148435_Irak_Soldat.jpg
taken from
http://n-tv.de/3148433.html

That's Iraqi soldiers that were willing to surrender shot by US troops ( note the white flag).

Dunno what's so respectable about that, sorry.

 

[Anthony Ng]

Originally posted by britishangel
Never made any statement that protestors were wrong just wanted to respect troops

Got it.

 

[britishangel]

Have you even seen the brief view of the US POW'S who were captured and killed by Sadam's forces? We have not killed any POWS nor have we shown any footage on current POWS through the media what part of ruthless don't YOU understand? You're completely rejecting our nation and it's efforts as well as those of the 30+ nations who stand behind us to support Iraq? What makes the actions of Sadam and Iraqi troops any different? They're at war too and they're blowing the hell out of us just as we are doing to them! Just because you have anti-American sentiments does that really mean that Iraqi troops deserve sympathy?

 

[beatz]

Uh i didn't talk about sympathy if i recall right;
the only reason the Iraqi troops are at war is because the US started this war and is invading the country - not the other way around.
And again, with millions other people too - no matter how often you or others call me anti-american; i'm not.
I'm against the US govt policy and against this invasion.
That's a difference and if you still decide to ignore that, then i'll guess as said all the million protesters around the globe are also just "anti-american",right?

Btw - the US *DID* show footage of PoW's already..those guys sitting on the ground in the desert; even CNN showed it.

 

[izoot]

Originally posted by beatz
A few pics:

http://n-tv.de/images/200303/3148437_Irak_Soldaten.jpg
http://n-tv.de/images/200303/3148435_Irak_Soldat.jpg
taken from
http://n-tv.de/3148433.html

That's Iraqi soldiers that were willing to surrender shot by US troops ( note the white flag).

Dunno what's so respectable about that, sorry.

Nice links Beatz...Please show me a link that proves that these soldiers in the trench with the flag were shot by the US/UK and it isn't a nicely laid out Propaganda image.

I see no proof here that tells us that the US/UK killed these soldiers...we've all seen stories and pictures from the ME conflicts that have been later proven to be nothing more than fakes.

Sorry to appear skeptical...but this is a war time situation and people will do anything to twist words and pictures to their advantage.

 

[Anthony Ng]

Originally posted by izoot
Where do you stand? with the terrorists or with the freeworld?

You remind me of the threat from George W.M. Bush that you are either with the U.S. or with the terrorists.

And before any of these so-called "enemy combatants" are found guilty, they are innocent and should be treated according to the Geneva convention.

 

[beatz]

Originally posted by izoot



Sorry to appear skeptical...but this is a war time situation and people will do anything to twist words and pictures to their advantage.

I agree; i've always agreed on that - my point is just that most seem to take everything CNN is airing for real (although their reporters belong to the "embedded" fraction that is under censorship by US military) but as soon someone or a website or a TV channels is airing stuff that doesn't fit their point of view then it of course *has* to be propaganda.

Btw - the site the pics are taken from is the site of one of germany's biggest news channels; *although* they have partnered with CNN they show different stuff than the american CNN site/channel - they have no reason whatsoever to fake anything - actually they're even risking their partnership with CNN by showing these pics.

 

[beatz]

Originally posted by nameslave


And before any of these so-called "enemy combatants" are found guilty, they are innocent and should be treated according to the Geneva convention.

I agree.

Same should apply for those inmates on Guantanamo Bay btw.

Here is the link to the uncensored PoW footage btw:

rtsp://62.153.249.11/ondemand/ntv/200303/3148512_1800_Mrz23_US_Kriegsgefangene.rm

You have to c&p as it's no http

If it's not working go to http://n-tv.de , click on "videos" in the left bottom menu, then in the popup click on the pic with the soldier with glasses on.

 

[sornman]

Originally posted by Tippy
...We don't have to worry about being attacked, we keep our noses out of other peoples/Countries biz.

Ok, after reading through this all, I only wanted to lay out a comment on this little passage and leave it at that. The US tried the above during WWII, but it did't work as it was attacked. Despite requests from our allies, the US tried to stay out. However, as a superpower, I believe we should have stepped in previous to Pearl Harbor, because they were our allies. The 'hands-off' approach does not work when you are a superpower and people rely on that strength.

 

[Larry]

beatz -the numbers you are showing for protestors are a drop in the hat in relation to world population. people protest for various reasons - they think it's cool, their friends are doing it, they have always protested, etc.


dont kid yourself to think that the few people marching are actually against anything...some are... some arent.

and the protests in this country are in the typical liberal strongholds - NY, California, etc... The rest of the country understands the bias. Not being from here you would not.



For the rest of your posts - your emotional disinformation continues. Like most , you spout the anti-war propaganda and very seldom are you actually able to point to any real facts.

Just a little humor - it's funny that the russians and french are suddenly concerned with fulfillment of current oil contracts. no agenda?.....get a clue.

 

[britishangel]

Iraq has already gone against the Geneva convention by showing dead American POWS through the media. As far as the US showing POWS on the TV they are not considered POW'S until they are taken into custody. Iraqi's who surrender are taken as POWS but as far as the surredering process they are not immediately considered POWS and it is not against the Geneva convention to show them in the surrender process, it is only against the convention for them to be shown after they have been taken into custody. The troops shown on "CNN" had not yet been taken into custody they had simply surrendered.

ANYWAY I may as well close this damn thread because half of you are forcing it and me off topic and obviously don't have too much respect for the men and women of the armed forces. But i would love to see your faces when it is your loved ones who are being forced into a regime like the Iraqis and have no one come to your aid, i'd love to know what your reaction would be if Sadam wages biological and chemical warfare on the world and your family suffers. Terrorism isn't directed at one country it's directed mostly at one group of people much like Hitler's Nazi regime. Just because you live in Canada or in European countries who have not joined the war does not mean that you are safe from terrorist attacks linked to Sadam. What will you do if it hits close to your home? If your family were killed you're telling me you wouldn't want justice?

I've said my peace and have nothing more to add to this thread because apparently most of you believe it's one big issue when in effect it's two, supporting troops who are putting their lives on the line does not mean that you have to agree with the idea of war. It is possible to do both.

 

[beatz]

Larry - accusing me of emotional disinformation is ridiculous; i'm trying to show some facts while you didn't even know that the US is a member of the UN rather than standing outside and has written agreements with the UN which they breach now.
C'mon..

And to claim all those protesters would protest because " they think it's cool, their friends are doing it, they have always protested, etc." must be the most saddest try to downplay what's really going on.

Geez....