For Sale Well It's Offical....

[Cartoonz]

AD.net was caught by snap.
tier 1 enuff for ya?
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FYI, Ultsearch gets the majority of the names that they get from drops through SnapNames, so even though they get a discount for buying thousands of SnapBacks at a time, they are STILL paying good money. So all this whiney nonsense about how they are somehow priveledged to something that you are not is utter hogwash.

It has been said before, and is obviously worth repeating:
If you have good results getting drops now, you will still excell at WLS. If you are a whiney slacker who can't catch a cold now... you will suck even worse if WLS goes live.

With the current system, you can improve your odds.
With WLS, you just lose.

This is reality. Whining will not change that. Learning about it might.

 

[StockDoctor]

Originally posted by Duke of Earl


Today's system is less than ideal, no doubt, but I'm afraid WLS will be far worse - that you won't be able to get any slots at all on a decent name. I can't testify to tier 1 names as I haven't caught any, but some of the lower level ones can be profitable pickups. Recently NW got one for me for $8.75, I was contacted by a buyer just two weeks later and sold it for mid 3-figure range. We would all love to nab the top names, but I doubt we will get any of them via WLS. Probably won't through the current system either, bu to me it's like the odds are 10,000 to 1 against you now, but probably rise to 100,000 to 1 with WLS.

Philosophically I also don't like the idea of all of these independent businesses being put out of business through the establishment of a monopoly benefitting only one player (a player that has already be proven to be completely unworthy).

Congrats on that deal Duke, but I think it's rare. I don't see how wls can be worse, but I do see where it could be better. I also see that BuyDomains is crying foul over this. It's because they won't be able to compete as effectively without spending 10 times the money. I like that. I'm betting they will cut down on the number of slots and that will leave more open to others.

That said, I can't stand monopolies either.

 

[DropWizard.com]

Uncle my apologies. I realized you were being sarcastic regarding the price. Didn't mean to put it back at you.

The post was actually referring to SD's post about pricing.

As far as pricing the WLS what most of you haven't factored in is the sheer quantity of slots you'll have to buy chances on to get a name that will actually drop. Today if you see a name dropping you can buy a snap (did I actually say that) or take it to our site etc etc. You get a chance at a name actually dropping. And in our case don't pay a penny except on success. It costs you nothing.

With WLS you'll have to buy multiple slots on the offhand chance that name actually deletes.

As a hypothetical example:

If there are 20,000,000 domains in the database

The top 10% = 2,000,000 domains

If 10% of those actually expire = 200,000 domains actually delete and get paid for.

But you'll all have to chase and register the entire 2,000,000 domains to have your chance at the 200,000.

By my calculation 10 slots paid for for every domains that actually falls.

Based on a wholesale cost of $24 the registrars will mark it up to $50 or $75 which means a payment of $500 to $750 for every domain you get.

God I'm positively cheap by comparison

'cuse me I got to go raise my prices

 

[bidawinner]

Originally posted by Cartoonz
AD.net was caught by snap.
tier 1 enuff for ya?
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Uh.. No thats not enough..

 

[Shiftlock]

Originally posted by stocdoctor

Nice to see someone is doing well. I'd like to see some proof though. I offered 300DNF$ on another thread for someone who could show me a tier 1 name they got through a snap recently. I'm not offering enough I guess.

Tier 1 name - bleh. What makes a name "tier 1"? You would probably consider 95% of the names Ultsearch grabs to be junk. That's because they're not catching names to resell. This week snapnames grabbed glamtastic.net for me. Junk to you, right? $$$ in my pocket, and I *KNOW* Ultsearch and others were going for it.

 

[Kid Kool]

Originally posted by bidawinner


Uh.. No thats not enough..

really? well how about
freemarket.com

 

[DomainGoon]

Originally posted by kidkool



really? well how about
freemarket.com

There are many of them, even just in the last few months.

Some people won't be happy unless they get the names for themselves, and that's just not going to happen, regardless of WLS.

 

[strongvis]

Originally posted by DomainGoon

Some people won't be happy unless they get the names for themselves, and that's just not going to happen, regardless of WLS.

AMEN
AMEN AND HALLELUJAH
this should be the dnf slogan.

 

[StockDoctor]

Originally posted by Shiftlock


Tier 1 name - bleh. What makes a name "tier 1"? You would probably consider 95% of the names Ultsearch grabs to be junk. That's because they're not catching names to resell. This week snapnames grabbed glamtastic.net for me. Junk to you, right? $$$ in my pocket, and I *KNOW* Ultsearch and others were going for it.

Yep, even though ultsearch may capture most thru snaps, (I don't know this for sure) I would consider 95% of them junk. But they do grab some good ones too, in amongst going after almost everything that's dropped.

I don't mean to give anyone a hard time here, but to answer your question about glamtastic.net, it wouldn't show up in my scopes, and of course ultsearch was going for it. If BuyDomains was, you wouldn't have had a chance in hell of getting it.

 

[strongvis]

hey stockdoc, what's this mean??? . . .. "If BuyDomains was, you wouldn't have had a chance in hell of getting it."

I can sit here all day and rattle off names BD didnt get . Ask Gordon or cartoonz. Sure they have many more. Everyday they miss names. Good ones. Like I said its' all relative on what good names mean to anybody, but I've gotten names I see they have the .net or hyphen of so I'm sure they'd go for it. Gordon and Cartoonz also get names with over 1k bids in NW so does that qualify as good. If they get that high of a bid on NW I'm sure BD is after it too.

ThankYou - - Come Again?

 

[StockDoctor]

Originally posted by gmartfin
As far as pricing the WLS what most of you haven't factored in is the sheer quantity of slots you'll have to buy chances on to get a name that will actually drop. Today if you see a name dropping you can buy a snap (did I actually say that) or take it to our site etc etc. You get a chance at a name actually dropping. And in our case don't pay a penny except on success. It costs you nothing.

With WLS you'll have to buy multiple slots on the offhand chance that name actually deletes.

As a hypothetical example:

If there are 20,000,000 domains in the database

The top 10% = 2,000,000 domains

If 10% of those actually expire = 200,000 domains actually delete and get paid for.

But you'll all have to chase and register the entire 2,000,000 domains to have your chance at the 200,000.

By my calculation 10 slots paid for for every domains that actually falls.

Based on a wholesale cost of $24 the registrars will mark it up to $50 or $75 which means a payment of $500 to $750 for every domain you get.

God I'm positively cheap by comparison

'cuse me I got to go raise my prices

With todays market you would have to pay $69 for a snap and funds at several other houses using your same math above.

I'm not going after 200, 000 names. I want 6 or 7 at a time. If I target those 7 and am able to get the slot my cost is $300 to $525 using your calculations. I don't have to buy slots on 70 to get the 7. I already have my targets picked out years in advance and will rotate them based on what comes available for a slot.

BuyDomains and ultsearch etc are the ones who will have to buy the 200,000 slots and I'm betting they won't. All of us (5000)together buying slots on our names will provide some hefty competition to the likes of BuyDomains. Strength in numbers.

I still haven't got an answer to why BuyDomains is so vehemently opposed to wls, if this is not the case.

 

[StockDoctor]

Originally posted by strongvis
hey stockdoc, what's this mean??? . . .. "If BuyDomains was, you wouldn't have had a chance in hell of getting it."

I can sit here all day and rattle off names BD didnt get . Ask Gordon or cartoonz. Sure they have many more. Everyday they miss names. Good ones. Like I said its' all relative on what good names mean to anybody, but I've gotten names I see they have the .net or hyphen of so I'm sure they'd go for it. Gordon and Cartoonz also get names with over 1k bids in NW so does that qualify as good. If they get that high of a bid on NW I'm sure BD is after it too.

ThankYou - - Come Again?

I guess it's just a difference of opinion in what "good ones" means. NW gets high bids on total crap all the time. I just wish I could offer my names up thru their service and tell people they were drops. I'm sure I'd get 10 times the price paid on the secondary market. It's the frenzy of the lottery system working for them.

No disrespect to Gordon or cartoonz as they have what I believe to be the best shot against BuyDomains now. But, they only offer 1 slot per name as well, and you have to beat the other guys to their services. At least with the wls, if I beat everyone (including BuyDomains) to the slot, I know if it drops, I'll get the name.

 

[StockDoctor]

Originally posted by Cartoonz
AD.net was caught by snap.
tier 1 enuff for ya?
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FYI, Ultsearch gets the majority of the names that they get from drops through SnapNames, so even though they get a discount for buying thousands of SnapBacks at a time, they are STILL paying good money. So all this whiney nonsense about how they are somehow priveledged to something that you are not is utter hogwash.

It has been said before, and is obviously worth repeating:
If you have good results getting drops now, you will still excell at WLS. If you are a whiney slacker who can't catch a cold now... you will suck even worse if WLS goes live.

With the current system, you can improve your odds.
With WLS, you just lose.

This is reality. Whining will not change that. Learning about it might.

Yep, I got to give you that one (ad.net) and am sending you 300 DNF$. Seems I remembered you saying in another post something to the effect that the name had somehow been under your radar. Guess it must have been under BuyDomains as well.

1 name or maybe even 2 or 3, wow!

I already commented about Ultsearch and their picking up most of their names thru snaps. But the ones snap gets are mostly crap as well and Ultsearch buys a ton of crap.

What really bugs me is the whining comments you dropcatchers make about anyone who questions your logic. I never made a statement that "they are somehow priviledged to something that I am not". Don't start trying to speak for me. Seems to me that your interests are obvious, and if anyone has the guts to question the value of your services against the likes of BuyDomains etc, you start trying to bash the hell out of them thru insults and calling them whiners. I just see the odds today and think they will improve for me and others like me through the wls.

Actually, I think you dropcatcher services sound more like the ones whinning now.

 

[strongvis]

Stocdoc. . . .since you asked what tier1 names snap has gotten over everyone and you are so convinced that buydomains is the big bad boogey man of drops, PLEASE tell me what names they have gotten from your list of 6 or 7 names that has made you feel this way. It's lunacy to me so I'd like to see what the heck you're talking about.]

ALSO it's worth mentioning that cartoonz offers you the same type of deal that NW does. Bid for the name and if he gets it and you are high bidder congrats. It's not the same as a snap or a dropwizard slot.

 

[Shiftlock]

Originally posted by stocdoctor
Ultsearch buys a ton of crap.

I disagree. Ultsearch is making a fortune, even on the names you think are crap. The name could be asdkfj83u48j.com and it could be very valuable, it's all in what you value in a domain.

 

[DropWizard.com]

What really bugs me is the whining comments you dropcatchers make about anyone who questions your logic

Hey stockdoc how about we send someone in to confiscate your business and see how you like it.

You might think through what this actually means. there are a 100's of companies providing services to the expiring domain market. This chatroom is one. Everyone of them employs people, puts food on the table, buy consumer goods even pay for flights on planes.

This is a very real threat to us and our families.

I don't take that lightly.

 

[StockDoctor]

Originally posted by gmartfin


Hey stockdoc how about we send someone in to confiscate your business and see how you like it.

You might think through what this actually means. there are a 100's of companies providing services to the expiring domain market. This chatroom is one. Everyone of them employs people, puts food on the table, buy consumer goods even pay for flights on planes.

This is a very real threat to us and our families.

I don't take that lightly.

My domain business is being confiscated every day through all these sweetheart deals that the big players have sown up with registrars. That's just the way it is. I just think that the wls will handicap these actions somewhat.

I fully understand and I agree that Verislime is as bad as they get. I don't like the way the whole thing was handled. Very similar to Microsoft in my book. That said, I didn't start these whining comments. This is suppose to be a "forum" for discussion and debate. When I start getting called names or referred to as whining, I get pissed and after a while, I'm going to throw it back in the face of those slinging it in the first place.

If I'm wrong in my analysis, then I would be happy to stand corrected and admit it. But I'm not going to take crap, and I'm not going to accept half answers or misleading statements if I see them as such. These people "the expiring domain market" also spend the money that would put food on their tables, and sometimes don't realize the odds against them in this often rigged lottery. They are bombarded by overstated claims that "you too can make tons of fricking money in the expired domain market, just buy our software, or a subscription or a service" by a bunch of these "100s of companies". I'd like to see some statistics to back up these claims.

These chatrooms are not here because of the services of the expired name drop catchers. They will still be here when the wls goes through because although the market will change, it will still be there, and we'll be here to discuss it.

I know I can beat BuyDomains or Ultsearch etc to snaps on my chosen names, but when it comes down to drop day (or several days before if they use one of their sweetheart deals), they regularly beat me and I would imagine most. If I can beat them to snaps etc, I figure I can beat them to slots in the wls. If I beat them to snaps etc, I lose, if I beat them to wls slots, they lose. Simple as that.

Why is it that Buydomains is protesting the wls? I never seem to get an answer to that one. Of course you dropcatchers can just keep telling me to shut up and quit whining.

 

[StockDoctor]

Originally posted by strongvis
Stocdoc. . . .since you asked what tier1 names snap has gotten over everyone and you are so convinced that buydomains is the big bad boogey man of drops, PLEASE tell me what names they have gotten from your list of 6 or 7 names that has made you feel this way. It's lunacy to me so I'd like to see what the heck you're talking about.]

ALSO it's worth mentioning that cartoonz offers you the same type of deal that NW does. Bid for the name and if he gets it and you are high bidder congrats. It's not the same as a snap or a dropwizard slot.

I'm not gonna go back thru my files of names that I didn't get, but will if pushed. If I'm gonna spend the time on that, I'd request that you do the same with all the "good" names you have beaten them on. I'd like a bet on this one, but don't know who we'd select as a judge of what a "good" name is, but I wouldn't want the dropcatchers making the decision.

By the way, I stand corrected in my referring to DropKing as having the same pricing system as DropWizard. That wasn't my intention.

 

[strongvis]

stock can you please answer my question about the names buydomains has gotten that were ones you wanted.

 

[Shiftlock]

Originally posted by stocdoctor
Why is it that Buydomains is protesting the wls? I never seem to get an answer to that one.

Probably the same reason many of us are - it will drastically reduce the number of domains that drop, and completely eliminate the good dropping names. Almost all good names that drop are dropped by accident by the previous owner. I bet a good number of domain holders will also have the WLS on their domains. No doubt it will be marketed to domain holders as a sort of "protection" for their domains.