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Come on, we all know only a very tiny fraction of these handsets are actually used for mobile Internet, or will be in the near future.


this just makes me laugh.. i really cant believe people are still saying stuff like this.


but maybe you're right, the internet in your pocket isnt that useful...

it'll probably just be a bunch of tech geeks that access the internet on mobile devices in the future... i doubt it will ever go mainstream. :rolleyes:
 
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this just makes me laugh.. i really cant believe people are still saying stuff like this.


but maybe you're right, the internet in your pocket isnt that useful...

it'll probably just be a bunch of tech geeks that access the internet on mobile devices in the future... i doubt it will ever go mainstream. :rolleyes:
Then I guess the Google CEO has it all wrong when he told the other kazillionaire moguls that this is where google's focus and future is. What was that, last week at the DAVOS meeting in Spain?

And that Android thing?

Just another marketing slogan with out substance.
 

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everyone like my new signature?


check 1 2.... testing 123... this thing on?
 

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Then I guess the Google CEO has it all wrong when he told the other kazillionaire moguls that this is where google's focus and future is. What was that, last week at the DAVOS meeting in Spain?

Speaking for myself, I never said internet mobile devices have no future... just .mobi.
 

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Fortunately we have bookmarks ;)

I am not convinced we need a 'set standard to access a mobile site' given that there is no such thing as a mobile standard.
Also if I follow your logic .jobs looks like a great concept too - it basically acts as a shortcut/redirector.
While we are so doing we could also introduce a .accessible TLD for disabled persons. I am sure there is a possible market for that however tiny. Wether it is a good approach is debatable.
Notice the parallel between 'disabled' and 'mobile'. It all boils down to a somewhat crippled-down website.

That just shows you have no grasp on it at all.

People looking for jobs, and disabled people etc, will still be using either a PC or a mobile device - unless there is another way that I am unaware of....
 

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Speaking for myself, I never said internet mobile devices have no future... just .mobi.


good because i am out of space in my signature for any other ridiculous comments.

seriously Kate's takes the cake.. you couldnt top this one if you tried.
 

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All of this has been beaten to death previously in any number of threads, hundreds of posts.

It is getting to the point that it is exhausting. I'm going to bed. I will be working 7 in a row and tonight will be day 6.

How about people take the time to do their own research?

I was skeptical and did not even buy a .mobi until Jan 07. I spent months monitoring markets and news from around the globe not to invest in .mobi but to invest in stocks. That is when .mobi came to light. I didn't care a flip about it.

But all my research and market analysis came to a screeching halt and shifted gears when I saw mention after mention of the mobile internet and .mobi on home sites of some of these companies.

Look at my join date. I have been a domainer for years. Avoided the forums like the plague due to all the piss poor advice, bone head appraisals, opinions. And that was 4 or 5 years ago. I wish I still had stayed away. I would be laughing my *** off at these threads and you wouldn't know it. The difference now is I am laughing my *** off at these threads but you do know it.

Is it any surprise I posted a thread about .mobi from this forum in 2004?

Same shit, different day.

I'm going to bed.
 

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Kate's comment about mobile users representing a 'tiny' segment are well placed for much of the 'traditional' internet market; there are certain segments that still haven't caught up with mobile technology, which represent very large numbers in terms of total revenue/ad spending.

And you can't deny this. The mobile internet has been doing well, but really, it hasn't crossed over to become massive in ALL industry segments, especially not in the US. Not currently. Just to think that Google, always a pioneer, hasn't figured out a way to introduce its primary revenue source, Adsense, for mobiles shows you this.

About the 4:1 mobile to PC sales ratio, I'll just say one thing: DON'T look at the absolute numbers. It represents sales, not subscribers; they're two completely different fields. More than half of the world's population cannot afford mobile phones.

Also, many own multiple mobiles, whereas most families have just one computer for the entire household.


Certain segments just will do good on a mobile: porn, stocks, games, music, jokes
And certain just wouldn't be good: extensive research, analysis, browsing/reading lengthy articles, info and data harvesting.

Even the staunchest of mobile supporters use their PCs primarily to access this forum. So don't tell me that mobile internet has ALREADY become bigger than PCs. Not now. Maybe later, but definitely not now.


And I'll stick my neck out even further and say that all this "connectivity" phenomenon will one day face a severe backlash. Its just too ****ing hectic, too damn intrusive.
We run our lives by the clock and we need our information at the push of a button. I don't know about you, but I hate(d) it, having to run my life from second to second. The best vacation I ever had were in Ecuador and Brazil where my cell phone wouldn't work and I had no internet.
I don't think I'm pushing it when I say that we all fantasize of a day when we don't have to attend to phone calls, or surf the internet for the latest news, or have to even check out email.

Who knows, that day might come and we see a reversal in technology.

Ah well....
 

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my bad

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but from what I know, it didn't launch too far back. Somewhere around late 2007?
 

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Kate's comment about mobile users representing a 'tiny' segment are well placed for much of the 'traditional' internet market; there are certain segments that still haven't caught up with mobile technology, which represent very large numbers in terms of total revenue/ad spending.

And you can't deny this. The mobile internet has been doing well, but really, it hasn't crossed over to become massive in ALL industry segments, especially not in the US. Not currently. Just to think that Google, always a pioneer, hasn't figured out a way to introduce its primary revenue source, Adsense, for mobiles shows you this.

About the 4:1 mobile to PC sales ratio, I'll just say one thing: DON'T look at the absolute numbers. It represents sales, not subscribers; they're two completely different fields. More than half of the world's population cannot afford mobile phones.

Also, many own multiple mobiles, whereas most families have just one computer for the entire household.


Certain segments just will do good on a mobile: porn, stocks, games, music, jokes
And certain just wouldn't be good: extensive research, analysis, browsing/reading lengthy articles, info and data harvesting.

Even the staunchest of mobile supporters use their PCs primarily to access this forum. So don't tell me that mobile internet has ALREADY become bigger than PCs. Not now. Maybe later, but definitely not now.


And I'll stick my neck out even further and say that all this "connectivity" phenomenon will one day face a severe backlash. Its just too ****ing hectic, too damn intrusive.
We run our lives by the clock and we need our information at the push of a button. I don't know about you, but I hate(d) it, having to run my life from second to second. The best vacation I ever had were in Ecuador and Brazil where my cell phone wouldn't work and I had no internet.
I don't think I'm pushing it when I say that we all fantasize of a day when we don't have to attend to phone calls, or surf the internet for the latest news, or have to even check out email.

Who knows, that day might come and we see a reversal in technology.

Ah well....

How come the vast majority of your statements are speaking of the present (even when grossly incorrect)?
Isn't the whole point here predicting the future, to make great investments before anyone else?

Also, 4:1 cellphone:computer sales also shows how important having the latest and greatest cellphones are to people. I remember seeing some great statistic, how the average cellphone lifespan is like 18 months? That's pretty short, people want the latest technology.

Seriously sashas, you are completely inexperienced and uninformed... Doc Com is very harsh on you, but the more you post the more I see why he is losing his cool/patience.

sashas said:
Certain segments just will do good on a mobile: porn, stocks, games, music, jokes
And certain just wouldn't be good: extensive research, analysis, browsing/reading lengthy articles, info and data harvesting.

Quite a comparison there.... if someone is doing extensive research/analysis/browsing reading lengthy articles/data harvesting!!?! lol... This is twice now you have made references to your minimal adsense revenue generation way of thinking. You sound like one big MFA developer (google: mfa sites).

If someone is doing the latter of your example above, obviously this requires a stationary desk/study/etc. I mean come on dude, you have got to be ****ing kidding me with your examples!

People won't use cellphones to do in depth research or reading, that is a horrible comparison.
 

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my bad

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but from what I know, it didn't launch too far back. Somewhere around late 2007?

It's only available to US publishers. Last time I inquired they replied they have no immediate plans to expand it to other country's publishers. If it was doing well, they would certainly expand upon it. Not doing so suggests...
 

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It's only available to US publishers. Last time I inquired they replied they have no immediate plans to expand it to other country's publishers. If it was doing well, they would certainly expand upon it. Not doing so suggests...

well i'm in the UK and have been using a while :rolleyes:
 

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It is obviously working its way round.

Going mobi all around the Globi, lol

Maybe Canada will come just after Pakistan? :smilewinkgrin:
 

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Some one just posted this on another forum. For those that remain skeptical, perhaps read this.

This echoes the what I have been saying about too many choices, the need to simplify, and that Madison Avenue just does not get it. They are trying to create the mobile web just like the PC web which just is not going to happen.

A need to standardize the presentation?

A need to standardize content?

A need to standardize how mobile sites are accessed?

CBS Mobile Chief: Wireless Industry Is Overwhelming Consumers
http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticleHomePage&art_aid=75462

TO MAKE MOBILE A VIABLE ad platform, carriers, device makers and content providers need to simplify mobile media-buying and not try to pitch cell phones as mini-TVs or Web sites.

That was the upshot of a panel, "Unleashing Mobile Advertising," at the AlwaysOn OnMedia NYC conference Wednesday highlighted by a diatribe unleashed by CBS Mobile chief Cyriac Roeding against the endemic confusion surrounding the medium.

Responding to a question about the iPhone's breakthrough as user-friendly phone, Roeding assailed the rest of the wireless industry for overwhelming consumers with a dizzying array of service options and added costs that end up scaring off advertisers off as well.

"How do we expect anyone to take this seriously as an advertising device if we keep telling them about the unbelievable complexity that arises out of the fact that we have 20 carriers in the U.S., then we have fundamental technologies, GSM and CDMA..."
said Roeding, continuing with a litany of technical and service hurdles familiar to many cell phone subscribers.

"So let's make it simpler--let's talk about usability, let's not talk about the next 15 menu items, and let's not try to copy another medium," he added.

Roeding's spirited rebuke of the industry was met with spontaneous applause while fellow panel members from Nokia and Virgin Mobile, among others, smiled stiffly.

The CBS executive had led off the discussion by saying that advertisers have to understand why they need to be on mobile phones. "If you can't answer that question in 10 seconds, you're out of the game," he said. The answer should be, he went on, that mobile is the only medium that people carry with them 18 hours a day.

Mobile is also starting to provide reach to advertisers as sites gain larger audiences. Roeding noted that during the last quarter, CBS Mobile's sports section drew 75 million mobile page views and 5 million unique visitors during the fourth quarter.

But he warned against trying to promote mobile as a smaller version of the computer or TV screen. "If you are trying to make this the next online page, you will fail...because this is a new medium in its own right. " To that extent, he identified location-based services as a natural fit for mobile phones.

Roeding also said mobile content providers need to provide clear measurement benchmarks to encourage marketers to spend more on mobile.

Other panel members stressed that mobile advertising must be especially tailored to users because consumers view cell phones as more personal devices than other platforms.

Scott Kelliher, director of mobile advertising at Virgin Mobile USA, explained that the prepaid service offers its youthful customers free airtime in return for watching advertising through a program called sugarmama. "You have to offer stuff to users in the way they want, and we've been very successful doing that," Kelliher said.

He also noted that branded content on Virgin Mobile targeted to its core audience of teens and twenty-somethings generates click-through rates of 6%--much higher than rates for typical Web banner ads.

In the same vein, executives from mobile entertainment content site Thumbplay and mobile marketer JumpTap stressed mobile's strength as a direct-response medium.

"A lot of the owners of inventory in the U.S. make the mistake of only wanting to sell to Ford and the big brands," said Are Traasdahl, president and CEO of Thumbplay. As with the early days of the Internet, mobile is likely to feature more direct-response advertising before major brands populate the landscape.

JumpTap CEO Dan Olschwang said that services like Thumbplay are important because they're proving that that mobile advertising can work. "Then the big brands will come because they need to see the proof that this thing works," Olschwang said.
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Off to work. Perhaps later I can take some more target practice.
 

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teens and twenty-somethings generates click-through rates of 6%

6% is actually pretty pathetic. I'll kill a site(park it) if it doesn't get 10% plus, unless the traffic is huge or the EPC makes up for the low ctr.
 
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