A few .mobi questions

[mjnels]

What does all this gobbledygook have to do with crappy mobees?

crappy ones... nothing.
good keyword mobees... it means buy mine.

can i laugh at you in 2015 if the mobee aftermarket is still alive and well.... or is that past the timeframe where ive admitted to everyone that mobi's were useless cause they have no natural type-in traffic?

 

[sashas]

MJ, at the end of the day, if you regged good .mobis during landrush for reg fee, you'll be laughing to the bank anyways.
Hell, you would be laughing to the bank even if you regged good keyword .eu names for reg fee.

And I can pretty much say that you would also be laughing to the bank if you reg good keyword .asia names too.

But if you bought good keyword .mobis today for xx,xxx-xxx,xxx, you may or may not be laughing to the bank; its a big risk which only the ones with the most cash lying around can take.

I'm sure the guy who regged NewYorkPlumbers.com in 2002 was laughed at by many people.

The point here is that for reg fees, you can't really go wrong too much (unless you take a loan or max out your CC to reg names). You CAN go wrong if you spend xx,xxx on a single domain in an uncertain extension. And thats the whole scenario with .mobi today. Its become way too expensive, way too quick.

 

[Gerry]

What does all this gobbledygook have to do with crappy mobees?

I am more concerned that Frank was dissed and they did not mention .com.

To answer you own questions, you would have to go back and re-read the thread. But who wants to do that.

That's why other threads are started.

 

[mjnels]

MJ, at the end of the day, if you regged good .mobis during landrush for reg fee, you'll be laughing to the bank anyways.
Hell, you would be laughing to the bank even if you regged good keyword .eu names for reg fee.

And I can pretty much say that you would also be laughing to the bank if you reg good keyword .asia names too.

But if you bought good keyword .mobis today for xx,xxx-xxx,xxx, you may or may not be laughing to the bank; its a big risk which only the ones with the most cash lying around can take.

I'm sure the guy who regged NewYorkPlumbers.com in 2002 was laughed at by many people.

The point here is that for reg fees, you can't really go wrong too much (unless you take a loan or max out your CC to reg names). You CAN go wrong if you spend xx,xxx on a single domain in an uncertain extension. And thats the whole scenario with .mobi today. Its become way too expensive, way too quick.

what you say is true... but there are a couple exceptions..

the risk is minimized if you are actually going to use the domain for development purposes that you paid xx,xxx for.. if you actually have a good solid plan and arnt just copying what everyone else is trying to do, then im not anyone to tell someone their plan isnt sufficient and they should have went with only .com

also, .mobi seems to be one of the last great free-for-all landrushes... its true they reserved a huge list of premiums.. but this actually keeps aftermarket prices higher since a ton of the best keywords are all closely controlled by one seller.. in the hands of more domainers i think that the aftermarket would be extremely flooded (even more than now)..

during the .mobi landrush you could pre-register domains with certain registrars that would NOT send your name to auction... they only took 1 pre-registration per customer... the result was getting you every domain that your preferrred registrar successfully caught for a mere $60...

with .asia, all of the participating registrars are required to submit the domain(s) you pre-ordered to a central auction if more than 1 person (across ALL registrars) makes a pre-registration request for it..

there will still be good keywords to be had for cheap, but the pool of them caught for regfee or close to it.. will be a lot smaller.

and i dont want to go into naysayerville... but with .mobi being a truly global TLD... and .asia being a continent, i just see the .mobi being the better bet.

but there is money to be made with .asia too... im interested to see how landrush goes in a few weeks.


...oh yeah, about .mobi prices going up too fast too soon.... yes, there will be a bubble.... in fact we are inside the bubble right now.

but bubbles pop, and the pieces of the disaster get picked up, sometimes by different folks.

 

[sashas]

hell, no body's comparing .asia to .mobi or anything else. To me, it will be a failed extension. But I know there is a quick buck to be made here.

And when you're developing, IMO, a solid plan and a fresh idea can mean that even if you overpay by $20k, you can recoup the cost in months
Thats why end users are willing to pay so much for a name. They know they can make it up.

Its a different story with reselling

 

[Gerry]

teens and twenty-somethings generates click-through rates of 6%

6% is actually pretty pathetic. I'll kill a site(park it) if it doesn't get 10% plus, unless the traffic is huge or the EPC makes up for the low ctr.

This is where we, you, I, everyone, when reading this needs to get out of the mindset of a domainer.

These are businesses talking about their advertising dollars. They are talking about the conversion of an average of 6%.

You are missing the whole point here. Enterprises are reporting a better conversion of their advertising dollars on mobile sites than PC sites.

That is the point of this statement.

Not what you are earning with parked pages with a PPC and CTR rate.

Business are driving the internet, not domainers. Sorry, it just doesn't happen that way.

I am sure many people will gloss over that piece but you really need to go back and read it.

hell, no body's comparing .asia to .mobi or anything else. To me, it will be a failed extension. But I know there is a quick buck to be made here.

And when you're developing, IMO, a solid plan and a fresh idea can mean that even if you overpay by $20k, you can recoup the cost in months
Thats why end users are willing to pay so much for a name. They know they can make it up.

Its a different story with reselling

I am my own end user.

I am a domainer, an advertiser, a marketer, and developing.

Currently I could care on flip about a sale, reselling, or anything that domainers are expressing in this thread.

And at present I could care less about how much any of my sites make in regards to conversion or money.

I invested to be part of this.

I have turned down countless offers for some of my .mobi's, not only in English, but Spanish, Italian, and Arabic. And I have little doubt that some came from members of this forum.

As with any new enterprise, not just domains or domaining, it is important to get exposure. That is what I am after, exposure. Get the sites done, get them out there, get them optimized, link with other sites, cross promote on various platforms, include adsense, admob...if I have them out there in the initial phase and early, then if I truly believe this will become the norm, then I am ahead of the race.

I did not get into this blindly, I have a definitive plan, I regged names with specific goals and a target audience in mind, I have continued to do my research and monitor global markets and trends, and now I am ready to deploy these names.

I have spent the past year on continuing my research and plans for marketing and launching. I currently have graphics complete for nearly 400 sites. Now comes the fun of developing and launching.

So when you and others mention all the crap being regged and pawned off, take a look at on the sales threads on DNF. You have to wade thru the heaps of BS to find a couple worthy of a second look.

I am proud of my portfolio, for the most part, and have no issue of keeping my .com, .net, .org, and .us as they are generating very good revenue. In time, many of those will also become developed.

But I will be equally proud of my involvement with .mobi.

And all I can say is if you don't like it you don't have to use it.

And yes, I have quite a collection of Hindu words and have had offers for a few of those.

 

[sashas]

This is where we, you, I, everyone, when reading this needs to get out of the mindset of a domainer.

These are businesses talking about their advertising dollars. They are talking about the conversion of an average of 6%.

You are missing the whole point here. Enterprises are reporting a better conversion of their advertising dollars on mobile sites than PC sites.

That is the point of this statement.

Not what you are earning with parked pages with a PPC and CTR rate.

Business are driving the internet, not domainers. Sorry, it just doesn't happen that way.

I am sure many people will gloss over that piece but you really need to go back and read it.

I am my own end user.

I am a domainer, an advertiser, a marketer, and developing.

Currently I could care on flip about a sale, reselling, or anything that domainers are expressing in this thread.

And at present I could care less about how much any of my sites make in regards to conversion or money.

I invested to be part of this.

I have turned down countless offers for some of my .mobi's, not only in English, but Spanish, Italian, and Arabic. And I have little doubt that some came from members of this forum.

As with any new enterprise, not just domains or domaining, it is important to get exposure. That is what I am after, exposure. Get the sites done, get them out there, get them optimized, link with other sites, cross promote on various platforms, include adsense, admob...if I have them out there in the initial phase and early, then if I truly believe this will become the norm, then I am ahead of the race.

I did not get into this blindly, I have a definitive plan, I regged names with specific goals and a target audience in mind, I have continued to do my research and monitor global markets and trends, and now I am ready to deploy these names.

I have spent the past year on continuing my research and plans for marketing and launching. I currently have graphics complete for nearly 400 sites. Now comes the fun of developing and launching.

So when you and others mention all the crap being regged and pawned off, take a look at on the sales threads on DNF. You have to wade thru the heaps of BS to find a couple worthy of a second look.

I am proud of my portfolio, for the most part, and have no issue of keeping my .com, .net, .org, and .us as they are generating very good revenue. In time, many of those will also become developed.

But I will be equally proud of my involvement with .mobi.

And all I can say is if you don't like it you don't have to use it.

See Doc, here is where I differ from most developers-domainers

I don't believe in developing multiple domains with small sites. I don't like the idea of making $100 fro 30 sites each month, and I definitely don't like the idea of rehashing ideas, offering no new content.

I'm getting into development, but I'm concentrating all my energies on just one single large project. I'll put all my efforts into making it as big as I can.
I also differ with most domainers when it comes to advertising; I will be advertising my site in the print media, and when I can afford to, television.

So to me, domain reselling is just a way to build capital so that I'm able to afford a top notch development team, a top SEO guy, and a full page ad in the Hindustan Times (since I'm first concentrating on the Indian market).


I paid about 50% above market value for my site name. No regrets about that; this time, I'm the end user.

And yes, I have quite a collection of Hindu words and have had offers for a few of those.

I think the correct term you're looking for is "Hindi", not "Hindu".

 

[Gerry]

You, needless to say, are correct on the Hindi thing.

Sashas, were you not getting enough attention in the thread you started?

 

[sashas]

You, needless to say, are correct on the Hindi thing.

Sashas, were you not getting enough attention in the thread you started?

But the threads sort of merged; some of the questions were answered in this thread, so I haven't bothered going back to that one.

 

[Gerry]

But the threads sort of merged; some of the questions were answered in this thread, so I haven't bothered going back to that one.

The threads never merged.

You took something from here and started another in just one more veiled and poor attempts to derail .mobi investors.

No one wants to play your game. Folks are getting bored with you and these childish antics.

All the questions have been answered time and time again, on this thread and every other thread you have invaded to give mobi another crack in the nuts.

It is here, it ain't going no where, and you are just going to have to deal with it whether you want to or not.

I think after 248 posts and 2,561 I am done with this thread.

Seeing that you insist on taking it over, have at it.

 

[Raider]

Some one just posted this on another forum. For those that remain skeptical, perhaps read this.

I hope you didn't hurt yourself trying to find an article that supports your and everyone else's valid argument of "we don't need it" research.

I found mine 3+ months ago... Look who's searching for articles to support his argument.

 

[Gerry]

Look who's searching for articles to support his argument.

Raider, there is a huge difference between reading and reading comprehension.

It appears you did not comprehend this post or most of these threads.

I need no articles to support my claim or my research. I merely posted something from another forum that addresses a question regarding users.

Now here is a big difference.

Your article you "found" three months ago? Go back and look at my response.

Quoting the opinion of another domainer means jack shit to me. That would be like me quoting you and you opinions. So what someone has a blog. Big whoop. Colin's entire article is based on opinion and opinion only. And you want to post an opinion piece that supports your opinion?

Great scientific evidence and research.

 

[PRED]

:nerd:op2:

 

[sashas]

The threads never merged.

You took something from here and started another in just one more veiled and poor attempts to derail .mobi investors.

No one wants to play your game. Folks are getting bored with you and these childish antics.

All the questions have been answered time and time again, on this thread and every other thread you have invaded to give mobi another crack in the nuts.

It is here, it ain't going no where, and you are just going to have to deal with it whether you want to or not.

I think after 248 posts and 2,561 I am done with this thread.

Seeing that you insist on taking it over, have at it.

aww...for once I thought we had some common ground


If you think .mobi can be derailed by one single users posts, then you don't have too much faith in the strength of .mobi yourself.

 

[seanboy]

Raider, there is a huge difference between reading and reading comprehension.

It appears you did not comprehend this post or most of these threads.

I need no articles to support my claim or my research. I merely posted something from another forum that addresses a question regarding users.

Now here is a big difference.

Your article you "found" three months ago? Go back and look at my response.

Quoting the opinion of another domainer means jack shit to me. That would be like me quoting you and you opinions. So what someone has a blog. Big whoop. Colin's entire article is based on opinion and opinion only. And you want to post an opinion piece that supports your opinion?

Great scientific evidence and research.

Easy Doc, you don't want to be accused of being a Socialist

 

[Gerry]

Easy Doc, you don't want to be accused of being a Socialist

Well, why the hell not!

I don't have someone to tell me what to do, think, or say so I must be something.

I don't need opinions to tell me what my opinion should be.

Let's put a label on me.

Let's call me something.

An individual sounds nice.

aww...for once I thought we had some common ground


If you think .mobi can be derailed by one single users posts, then you don't have too much faith in the strength of .mobi yourself.

Shallow.

Bullshit meter is WAY off the scale now.

Geez, you ooze and reek of it.

 

[Fearless]

I saw this scandalous comment on a blog. Blogs are like newspapers, right?

Stinky Brand wrote:
Rick, when you have the chance let me know which of our reserved MoBI names would be best for swindling traffic attendees into overbidding this time. We really need all the hype we can get!! -- stinky

 

[sashas]

Shallow.

Bullshit meter is WAY off the scale now.

Geez, you ooze and reek of it.

if its bullshit then stop getting so worked up about it.

That'll atleast make you look a bit more credible when you say it

 

[Raider]

Quoting the opinion of another domainer means jack shit to me. That would be like me quoting you and you opinions. So what someone has a blog. Big whoop. Colin's entire article is based on opinion and opinion only. And you want to post an opinion piece that supports your opinion? Great scientific evidence and research.

I could really care less what it means to you, it wasn't for your benefit and I didn't post it to bash .mobi, contrary to your paranoid belief.....

It was a good "Opinion" article and I had every right to post it, It wasn't intended as "Evidence" as you call it, Are we limited to posting only "Evidence" on this Forum?... That's news to me.

You appear to have a real hard time hearing anything that goes against your TLD, or rather your "investment".. It's incredible that what I said could bother you so much that you would feel compelled to create political threads as a way of getting back at me, turning the discussion into something personal.. That's fine Doc, you and your pathetic .mobi followers can have at it..... I'm not going away.

 

[Gerry]

I really don't want any of you to go away.

As a matter of fact, you can't go away.

This is now archieved.

2 years or 4 years from now, someone else will be posting how silly you all appeared and sounded.

Man, you all really need to get a grip on reality. Because if you feel that I am paranoid, scared this will fail, worried about my investment then you have no sense or perception of reality.

Because while you are sitting here posting this nonsense I am laughing my *** off at all of this.

I welcome any criticism and any and all challenges as it just make you look more foolish than the thread before.

"Evidence" on this Forum?...

Of course not. Based on some of your many threads obviously evidence or proof of fact is not a requirement. That would require a little research on your part and research usually takes a certain amount of time. Hell, why add any sense of credibility to what you say?

It's incredible that what I said could bother you so much that you would feel compelled to create political threads as a way of getting back at me, turning the discussion into something personal.. That's fine Doc, you and your pathetic .mobi followers can have at it..... I'm not going away.

Wow, the shallowness.

It kind of remind's me of Karly Simon's song You're So Vain...

You're so vain,
You probably think this song is about you.

If I wanted to turn this into something personal, I can.

And me and my pathetic mobi followers will perhaps be posting this thread as a testament to its success, the daily arguments, and the shallow opinions of those that were against it.