A few .mobi questions

[sashas]

Doc, are you obsessed with me or what?

You've written THREE extended replies quoting my same single comment. Do you allow my "illogical comments" to get on your nerves so much?

I've tried being nice to you. I sent you a very polite PM yesterday to which I got a very rude and nasty reply. I've tried to get you explain your side of things to me, as well as explain mine, privately, but you've only acted more and more like an angry kid.


The question I asked was about mobile advertising, plain and simple. Mobile advertising for .mobi, for m.xyz.com, for xyz.cc, for xyz.ws, for any goddamn extension on the planet.

And why did I do that? Because I'm beginning to get headlong into development, and have in fact sought help from members here about that. And I will be developing a mobile website (not on .mobi though) to complement the main site. And monetization IS important to me.
Some of us actually do this to make money.


And don't pretend that if you write **** 10 times in a post it makes your point any stronger. You've typed in the same thing THREE times in the above posts, responding to a single comment of mine....Doc, you need to get a life. And some sleep. And some fresh air.
And learn to be nice when someone is being nice to you.



Anyhow. Pred, I checked out AdMob. The text link ads don't seem too promising, though the banner ads are much better. Any luck as an advertiser there, as opposed to a publisher?

 

[Bill Roy]

Well Jasdon, yes I was thinking of the .st actually, unsurprising as I have knowledge of that market.

And no, because of the way .mobi has arranged to 'keep' most prime domain names and auction them off to the highest bidder means that your argument about the .mobi's being cheaper is a load of rubbish, the reverse is true in fact.

I have been pondering the reason why one company in particular (CJInc.) have been stock piling prime .st's without even parking them, but the realization hit me that in fact they have all but cornered the market and yet do nothing with them. It would make sense if these were being held for a mass release on these simple mobile compliant programs. It would be akin to having a portfolio of thousands of the main keywords in .net when .com rules the internet.

Is there not logic in such a move?

Of course the fact that there is a huge number of ccTLD's where the suffix is only 2 letters instead of 4 could also be a marketing advantage.

Before people start assigning me to one camp or another I will state clearly that I am totally independant. I ask questions to hopefully obtain knew knowledge and understanding or confirm my knowladge and understanding. I do not ask questions or raise points for partisan reasons (well very rarely, and I have not done so on the .mobi threads).

 

[mjnels]

Some of us actually do this to make money.

coulda fooled me....

 

[jasdon11]

Well I wouldn't say that mTLD has kept most of the best names, 5,000 is not a lot in the scheme of things; and many of those 5,000 aren't what most people would call premium anyway.

BTW, what does it cost to reg a .st - still Eu60 each? I haven't been able to access nic.st for months - thought it had died.

If any entity had had the foresight, then they could have done something similar to mTLD, but the fact remains, they didn't. And that ship has now sailed - they'd have to think of another angle.

 

[Bill Roy]

No 15 euros, about $21 they can be had for prepaid or 35 euros if not prepaid.

Hell can you not read or something? You say you have not been able to get through to nic.st for a couple of months, well they have been that price for a couple of years! I suggest you get a new computer then because everyone else can get through to nic.st, just those who want to rubbish something make daft comments! I guess we all know some posters like that don't we Jasdon!

Perhaps they have had the foresight, that is what I am saying. If any company has, with whatever extension, then my hat off to them. And remember that the first to start a race in front is rarely the winner.

 

[Gerry]

Question. So is it the .mobi suffix that allows for the smooth uploading of a site onto a cell phone or the website programming that allows for the smooth uploading of a site onto a cell phone?

Programming

It would seem that if it is the .mobi suffix then there is something of a gain to using a .mobi suffix. If on the other hand it is the programming then the answer would be to simply use the programming with a different suffix.

Ah, see! That is where no one can agree on any one thing. That is where all your clever designer names come into play:

site.com/mobi
site.com/mobile
site.com/wap
m.site.com
wap.site.com
mobile.site.com

You say suffix, others say prefix like the above.

Your programmers and developers love showing how clever they are.

No one will conform to any one standard.

Mobi does. And you have to configure a site for mobile compliance anyways. Throwing a suffix or a prefix before or after a domain does not render it mobi useful.

So take any 10 ways you can come up with saying "this site is mobile", then multiply that x 260 (the number of other ccTLD's plus TLD's) and we are now up to 2600 ways of desinating .mobi.

Why not just one.

Imagine a company owning most of the keywords in a little utilized ccTLD. They for a few years have been slowly hoarding and acquiring more and more keywords. If they were to suddenly develop this whole portfolio on the cell phone compliant progam for cell phone reception then that company would be able to grab a substantial part of the cell phone website business for a fraction of the cost of obtaining the keywords in .mobi.

See the above.

How are you going to develop that keyword?

How are you going to make it mobile?

What suffix are you going to use?

What prefix are you going to use?

How are you going to brand it?

Say you own one word, the word site in all major TLD's. You want a mobile site. Which one will you chose?

You want all as you mention all ccTLD's. Lets take one prefix, .m.

m.site.com
m.site.net
m.site.org
m.site.info
m.site.us
m.site.mobi

So now you have 6 sites with the same keyword all trying to be the same thing. And to get them all to be the same thing and to function the same way you just had to build, brand, and market the same thing 6 different times and 6 different ways.

And then someone else comes along and does this:

wap.mine.com
wap.mine.net
wap.mine.org
wap.mine.info
wap.mine.us
wap.mine.mobi

So now we have two words registered in six different extensions for a total of 12 different URL's wanting to be mobile.

Along comes Jon in japan.

He has both our words but different ccTLD's

m.site.jp
m.site.cn
m.site.co.uk
m.site.de
m.site.at
m.site.it
m.mine.jp
m.mine.cn
m.mine.co.uk
m.mine.de
m.mine.at
m.mine.it

But he is a creative chap and want his own "designer" url with flair. It does matter what you call it as long as you make it mobile compliant. It's all in the programming right?

wap.site.jp
jon.site.cn
tinyurl.site.cn
site.co.uk/mobi
site.de/mobile
mobile.site.it

All of a sudden, your domain word site has 18 different mobile web addresses. All for the one word. No two alike. That is just the way it is. You have essentially taken a sub domain of any possible name (word) and created an infinite number of possibilities to say "I am mobile".

Yes, it is in the programming. And everyone is free to program anything that they could possibly want to represent anything they want.

In the end, you get something that looks like this:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/mobile/mobile.asp
http://www.blackberryforums.com/general-blackberry-discussion/54184-your-favorite-mobile-sites.html

click on any link, look in the browser and see what has been created to say that this is a mobile website.

Then try to remember every one of those prefixes and suffixes. Or try to remember one and one only and get everyone on the planet to comply with it.

Or just say .mobi.

I really don't see how hard this whole concept is to understand.

Doc, are you obsessed with me or what?

Are you obsessed with me and mobi?

You come onto this forum, these threads and try to discredit every thing and every one about .mobi. Then you play the same games on other forums. Back and forth you go.

You've written THREE extended replies quoting my same single comment. Do you allow my "illogical comments" to get on your nerves so much?

Your comments are just that...comments for the sake of commenting and seeing your own words in type. No substance, no meat, no teeth to it. Pure unfounded and unsubstantiated claims and bullshit streaks left all over several forums.

You are obviously obsessed with yourself and your shallow hollow attempts to derail mobi and those who support or bought mobi. You take what someone says on one forum and take it to another as if it is coming from you.

Hardly obsessed with you as I am a ant on the floor.

I've tried being nice to you. I sent you a very polite PM yesterday to which I got a very rude and nasty reply. I've tried to get you explain your side of things to me, as well as explain mine, privately, but you've only acted more and more like an angry kid.

I do not want, ask for, nor appreciate any PM from you crying like a little snot nosed brat asking me to go easy on you. You have purposely interfered with mobi discussions and now you want to come off as playing nice-nice. I don't want it, don't need it, and read you like a cheap worn out comic book and am tired of the bullshit games you want to play.


The question I asked was about mobile advertising, plain and simple. Mobile advertising for .mobi, for m.xyz.com, for xyz.cc, for xyz.ws, for any goddamn extension on the planet.

No one is buying this. This is you trying, as I say, to play nice-nice and to make it seem it is all me. I read you and the title don't match the contents of what I am reading.

You and a few others hi-jack every mobi thread and turn it into a little game.

Guess what, now I am playing your games. Head on. No run around, no behind the back sneak plays, no picking and choosing sides.

And don't pretend that if you write **** 10 times in a post it makes your point any stronger. You've typed in the same thing THREE times in the above posts, responding to a single comment of mine....Doc, you need to get a life. And some sleep. And some fresh air.
And learn to be nice when someone is being nice to you.

Don't act like you're trying to save me from myself. You got the ****ing point now, didn't you. Don't try to placate me. Don't pretend you're trying to be nice to me. Like I said, I read you.

And tell me to get a life. Grow up. I have a life. And if a little segment in that life is silencing pseudo critics like you and to stop the flow of bullshit and misinformation then that is part of life.

I am calling your bluff and huff.

And there is no need to PM me and try to act all nice-nice and buddy-buddy.

I don't play that.

I think you stumped them BILLBO.

Stumped? Stumped?

What, a delay in response because of me going to the bathroom? That stump you want to see?

Then sitting down and having dinner with the family.

Geez, what a shame I was not here to respond to you instantaneously.

 

[Vision]

Then try to remember every one of those prefixes and suffixes. Or try to remember one and one only and get everyone on the planet to comply with it.

Or just say .mobi.


And tell me to get a life. Grow up. I have a life. And if a little segment in that life is silencing pseudo critics like you and to stop the flow of bullshit and misinformation then that is part of life.

:laugh:
:clap2::clap2::clap2:

 

[Flying Dutchman]

Fun Doc, but if you would use real names instead of 'site' or 'mine' it
would even look more ridiculous for a lot of names.

 

[Bill Roy]

Oh, so no one out there knows there are .net's, .info's, .org's, .biz, .us, .ca, etc., etc.!

Right why do you need m. 'prefix' on the domains?

Yes, if you have a developed site already with a mass of traffic you may decide to prefix your site 'm.'. But what happens if you could have thousands of the top domains in a ccTLD and you were only going to develop them as cell phone compliant sites. Would you need the 'm.' prefix then? I think not.

so you could have the following:

sex.zz
porn.zz
mortgage.zz
loan.zz
hotel.zz
etc., etc., indeed approx. 15,000 of the top keywords and simply market them as 'websites for your cell phone'!

Indeed I can see a TV advert now, something along the lines as follows, with the commentary in italics.

Opening shot,

Young man looking at his right index finger the end of which is wrapped in a bandage.

(Over voice - stern commanding male voice)
Are you suffering from self-inflicted repeated stress injury?
Have you been typing .mobi all the time?

Young man looks into camera and nods sheepishly

(Over voice - now a little gentler)
Didn't you know you could type in .zz on your cell phone?
So much easier and the sites are so much better!

Young man looks at his bandaged finger apologetically and does a .zz sign in front of himself towards the camera. The .zz is highlighted on film as he air writes them.

(Over voice - female, young, welcoming and cheerful) Doing just 10 searches a day on .zz will save you over 500,000 finger strikes in a lifetime!

Final scene of young man looking amazed and smiling.

(Over voice - male) Now you know it makes sense to go .zz!


Now that would be one of a series of cheap ads for TV, and IMHO I think you would soon corner a substantial section of the market.

I have obviously used '.zz' to indicate any 2 letter ccTLD suffix.

 

[Gerry]

Well I wouldn't say that mTLD has kept most of the best names, 5,000 is not a lot in the scheme of things; and many of those 5,000 aren't what most people would call premium anyway.

I am going to speculate here and presume that mTLD learned how NOT to be a registrar and how NOT to release TM and certain name based on the .eu fiasco that preceded the mTLD.

Anyone who is aware of that episode knows the countless false and fake registars all over the world for the premium word grab and the filing of false and bogus TM's to get a name.

And many of the reserved are country and city specific. Why not hold those back to determine who and to what entity should these go to. To whom and for what reason should something like New York, Germany, Paris be awarded to? First come, first served?

I think perhaps they also learned something from the Salt Lake Olympics. The city of Salt Lake and the Olympic committee could not even use their own namesakes for the winter games because of all the domainers rushing to reg this and that first. Only legal action and court action and lawsuits could put a stop to this.

So if people want to blame anything or any one for the actions of reserving names and for the slowness in releasing names, perhaps the blame should be placed on the domainers who horde, reg, falsify, and hold blatant TM names and the history of doing such.

And at the same time the blame game is being place on mTLD, perhaps credit should also be bestowed upon them for ensuring, as best as they possibly can, that certain names end up in the hands of specific endusers.

Perhaps in the first time in history, a domain TLD organization recognizes that domain names are not just for domainers but are for and can be used by businesses, countries, cities, and individuals that care less about the domaining industry.

 

[sashas]

Doc, you're a real smartass for the simple fact that you let your professional opinion mix in with your personal ones. I PMed you yesterday to diffuse some tension, but then, you're a bullshitter. Just go over the last page of this thread and read your 4 responses to my one single post, all without any reply from me. You're frustrated Doc, you sound like you're sick of your life.

I disagree with a lot of people on a lot of matters, but I don't let that make me hate them. Get over with your ****ing "I read you" bullshit. I don't have to even pretend to be nice on the .mobi forum.

And if I wanted to pretend to be nice to you, I would've done that here, in these posts, in public. But I sent you a PM because I wanted to hear your end of the story. I don't pretend to be nice because I want to gain some brownie points. You're worth squat to me.


I've had lots of arguments with lots of .mobi lovers, but I've always tried to sort things out. I disagree with pretty much everything Vision says, but we've still had good conversations via PM, same with some other members, both here and at NP.

But Doc, you take the cake. You're a regulation bullshitter who doesn't even want to listen to anything other than your own ****ing opinion.


Add me to your ****ing ignore list and stop acting like a two year old kid. And get some fresh air. You can use your mobile to respond to this post while you're outside.

 

[Gerry]

Oh, so no one out there knows there are .net's, .info's, .org's, .biz, .us, .ca, etc., etc.!

Yes, they know.

But everyone is saying we don't need .mobi. Why not dot com.

I say, 'okay, why not dot com. But what will we do with all the other sites and extension that are not dot com?'

Right why do you need m. 'prefix' on the domains?

In theory and in practice you don't. If you were to reg a .com domain right now or take a .com domain that you already own and using the mTLD dev standards, you could create a site that would be mobi compliant on mobile devices.

Start from the ground up approach, you would not need to prefix anything or suffix anything. It may be forward thinking, but this is a real possibility.

The issue I think what the topic you were referring to was if you have an existing site in a .com or anything else, then you can create a mobile site from it in essence by creating a subdomain (is that not what prefixes and suffixes are?).

But there are no standards, no rules, no one mode or modality to regulate anyone from creating anything they could concoct or come up with. It would be open to anything. If you want to call your site

sex.porn.mortgage.loan.hotel.st

and have that as your mobile site then fine. No one is stopping you, no one is saying you can't, and no one will follow your lead...for sure.

I think the question that comes into play as I have also asked about prefixes or suffixes (which are subdomains) is it is my understanding that the SE's don't treat them the same or index them as well. That is out of my realm of expertise.

Yes, if you have a developed site already with a mass of traffic you may decide to prefix your site 'm.'. But what happens if you could have thousands of the top domains in a ccTLD and you were only going to develop them as cell phone compliant sites. Would you need the 'm.' prefix then? I think not.

No, if you start from a bare bones approach from the ground up, and build all your sites and domains into a mobile compliant site, you would not need anything other than that coding compliance.

so you could have the following:

sex.zz
porn.zz
mortgage.zz
loan.zz
hotel.zz
etc., etc., indeed approx. 15,000 of the top keywords and simply market them as 'websites for your cell phone'!

personally, I would think so.

I can take anyone of my domains right now, use the programming I have been using (I am not a programmer but learning how to create these sites) and make a .com, .net, .us, .info, .org or anything into a mobile compliant site.

Which may be a damn good idea considering how fast it can be done.

So if you are forward thinking that mobile is here, here to stay, and really trying to get crafty and corner a market, you may be on to something.

Or, you can pretend it is 1993.

 

[Fearless]

Doc Com needs to change his name to Doc Mobey.

 

[Gerry]

Add me to your ****ing ignore list...

NO ONE is on my ignore list. But of course, as usual, you did not read that point.

I relish in poking holes into shallow points like holes in a sieve. But of course, you have such iron clad proof of mobi's demise.

It has almost become as fun as target shooting.

On cold rainy days I have found a new sport I can do indoors.

Doc Com needs to change his name to Doc Mobey.

Do that require a transfer of ownership of all non mobey's over to you?

 

[Bill Roy]

Doc, thanks for your reply. I hope you understand I am not knocking .mobi. I am simply examining a situation that is current and is extremely puzzling, I refer to CJInc.

They have 15,000+ .st's now and are not even parking them to earn revenue, they let very few drop (I have only known a few, normally on a Sunday or public holiday - this would indicate someone not doing their job). But they are also buying up more names. They have been doing this for 2-3 years now.

What I am trying to do with my questioning is see if such a policy as suggested could be carried out. Obviously the answer now is 'yes'.

Thank you again for the reply.

 

[Gerry]

Doc, thanks for your reply. I hope you understand I am not knocking .mobi. I am simply examining a situation that is current and is extremely puzzling, I refer to CJInc.

They have 15,000+ .st's now and are not even parking them to earn revenue, they let very few drop (I have only known a few, normally on a Sunday or public holiday - this would indicate someone not doing their job). But they are also buying up more names. They have been doing this for 2-3 years now.

What I am trying to do with my questioning is see if such a policy as suggested could be carried out. Obviously the answer now is 'yes'.

Thank you again for the reply.

I do not know what CJinc is.

If you could send a link that would be cool.

As for my crudeness and swearing, gotta take the good with the bad, unfortunately the bad is coming out as I am sick and tired of having every mobi thread hijacked. I think I'll go on a high jacking spree myself and invade all the sub-forums. It is all counter productive. Hell, in between popping in and out of this forum I have just completed another site.

So there is no obsession. It is a distraction.

But, you have also given me a few ideas...hmm.......

Having fun but called in to work to cover an emergency situation.

THAT is my life. Had one plane crash today that killed 6.

Later!

 

[Raider]

Non-domainers never heard of .mobi.

And they never will.

There is no technical reasons for .mobi, it's all marketing hocus pocus. All tld's do the same thing or can.

Agree 100%

[Doc, I doubt people walk up to buy a phone with the thought that they'll use it as their primary means of accessing the internet. Mobile phones outsell PCs, but you do understand that most mobile phones are bought with the intention of actually making phone calls?

I'd like to know how many cell phone users actually subscribe to Data Cell Phone Plans?, My next question would be, How many of them heard of .mobi?

I assure you there are members, lurking around here, who are knocking down 4 figures per month with their .mobi sites.

I'd be surprised if flowers.mobi is knocking down 3 figures..... Wonder what it would sell for today?

 

[Fearless]

I'd be surprised if flowers.mobi is knocking down 3 figures.....

More like 1 figure. It's not developed.

 

[Gerry]

I'd be surprised if flowers.mobi is knocking down 3 figures..... Wonder what it would sell for today?

Try asking the owner. I am sure Rick would reveal to you.

 

[Fearless]

Try asking the owner. I am sure Rick would reveal to you.

That would make no economical sense. He has a vested interest in .mobi. If he divulged the revenue, he limits his chances to offload his worthless .mobis.