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denny007

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Yeah I agree, how DCG with his crew handle customers and everybody, he is for us almost like "domain father" :)

Pure Fabulous had to go to admin to cry, that I use bad bad language... You should think so before closing accounts based on "bad nationality" (and I have proof to it).
 
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If some of you would just state your case and get over it, but more and more posters are using the forum as a whining site. Just whining on whining, why Mike from Fab or Jay at Sedo even bother coming and repling to these theads is beyond me. You guys keep up the disrespect and these threads will become silent, except for the sound of your own bleeping. Keep the threads respectful and appreciate the guys who try to represent the ppc companies, amidst this verbal diarrhea. Nuff said........
 

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I will go to court!

I guess given that so many people have been ripped of by them.....we think it is about time that we ask for our money and also get their books audited so that the truth can come out. Let domainers find out who cheated who.

May God stop their RipOff!!!

Thanks.
 

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Amen to that.. I thinks its about time that All Affilate and Parking Programs get audited.. We need more transparency in the industry.


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I guess given that so many people have been ripped of by them.....we think it is about time that we ask for our money and also get their books audited so that the truth can come out. Let domainers find out who cheated who.

May God stop their RipOff!!!

Thanks.
 

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Your response Mr. Crapulous? Since it's just me of course who had this happen..lmfao! You will pay us one way or another...

Ps- Rick...I know you guys run a tight ship and have some great domains and good earners...sorry that they got you guys too, you are'nt alone don't worry!

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If some of you would just state your case and get over it, but more and more posters are using the forum as a whining site. Just whining on whining, why Mike from Fab or Jay at Sedo even bother coming and repling to these theads is beyond me. You guys keep up the disrespect and these threads will become silent, except for the sound of your own bleeping. Keep the threads respectful and appreciate the guys who try to represent the ppc companies, amidst this verbal diarrhea. Nuff said........

Umm..Tedgeman...Sounds like YOU are whining about us, in a thread named "Fabulous Cheated Me" What did you expect to find here genius? Candy and flowers? Seems to me like you don't really need to be posting here in my opinion...so don't! :smartass:

...Unless of course they STOLE your money too!

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Amen to that.. I thinks its about time that All Affilate and Parking Programs get audited.. We need more transparency in the industry.


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Namestrands....I love when you have these great ideas..That simply is one of the BEST suggestions I have heard of all year! They got my vote for audits! :eek:k:
 

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Wow, what a read that was...

I agree that if someone stings you must make your noise about it, as if you dont it will get forgotten about and the big boys will get away with it. What better place to talk about it then here the granddaddy of domain forums. Everyone should be aware of things like this so that if it ever happens to one of us then we know we are not alone. Also good to know who you are dealing with and what they are up to with their other customers.

I personally have not had any problems with fabulous, but then again I don’t have many gambling domains that make much, certainly not 4 figures anyway. I use them to mainly register domains. I like the system they have in place and they are cheap. These are only a few people out of thousands they serve, so I wont let this get in the way of my business with them, as to date it has been flawless.

Also when one reads these posts they have to take into consideration its one side of the story too. Any "professional" company would not publicly start arguing over forums, so we only get to see one side of the story.

Still a nice read and it calls for going on yellow alert just in case fabulous decide to fire your way.

Oh, and on a final note, the auditing sounds interesting, would like to hear more on that.
 

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Audited monthly statistics are done by a third party auditing firm like PriceWaterHouseCoopers. The payout value describes how much of the programs monthly turnaround returns to the members and how much is kept by the program. It is calculated from an actual Parking Program logs for all clicks made during the past month.

As all programs have different deals with there respective feed providers, the audit should also have to show an average RPM.

The Program with the Highest Payout percentage and RPM; will corner the market for the average domainer. However you could further breakdown the Audit to classify RPM for the vertical markets and the GeoLocation of the originating traffic.

This would allow each program to corner Niches in the market based on domain vertical and or location.

This would also further fuel development in the software market. Someone who was to develop an application that could automatically route domains to its highest earnings geo-location and vertical market.. Was someone to develop such a site and domainers parked with the third party, the third party would then have more power to negotiate with the programs DIRECT to increase the percentage pay out per click.

Someone somewhere is gonna make millions with this concept.. hmm perhaps I should run to the patent office now. :)

Its all up here in my head.. I can see it working now...
 

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Sounds like ALOT of contracts and beta testing..but someone will do it I'm sure..
alot of cash to be made..I'm happy right now making $xxx per day with PPC :)
Ohh..and NOT with crapulous EVER NEVER NEVER! They would have to literally kiss my a$$ very passionately..(I actually get paid in the current deal, and no BS!)
 

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namestrands that sounds very interesting, nice idea, someone sure will do this in the future and make bucks from it. :)
 

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I agree with NS and DNAholic .. anyone wanna help me develop and design PPCAuditors.com!??! :p the domainers need such a system to rest assured that they are receiving 100% of their monies earned.

Also, NS, doesn't TrafficClub offer something like that.. where it monetizes best via a variety of feeds and checks daily which is best or something like that? I recently spoke with Monte Cahn of Moniker and this is the idea I was getting about their Traffic Club setup. At any rate, it sounds like something to check out... I'll be testing out a few domains there shortly.

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(Fabulous is burning record books and deleting files and traffic logs as we speak..lol)

You all remember what happened to all those big public companies recently right?
Worldcom, Tyco, etc...ouch!

Uhh Ohh Mr. Robertson...whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
("Cops" theme song playing in back ground)
 

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Fabulous is one of the sponsors of TRAFFIC, and I believe the principals are cozy with Rick Schwartz. So, that should tell you something right there.

Fabulous certainly HAS ATTITUDE. There is no question about that.
 

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sneakers.com funny you bring up TrafficClub. I was thinking of it after posting my last message. I am aware they try and park your domain where it makes most, however as NS was talking about auditing and building an application that could automatically route domains to its highest earnings geo-location and vertical market, I was not to sure if that TrafficClub did this, so did not want to say anything.

PPCAuditors.com - Sounds interesting :)
 

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Traffic is going on right around the corner from my house here in Delray, Florida..maybe I'll go find the FAB guys in person.... :evil:
 

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lol and react what is going on in your avatar if they dont give you your money back :cheeky:
 

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They most likely only "speak" to people in emails..like most online criminals do..
 

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This is wild. I started this post about a month ago whie I was still steaming from my Fabulous experience. I wanted to check my previous threads to see if I had any bids that I missed and this thread jumped out with over 50 responses.

In hindsight, I have a few things to offer. I was only with Fabulous for a little over a month and I remember praising them to many people during that time. The game-plan all along for my poker player names was to get them in the system so that when the World Series of Poker Main Event aired on ESPN I would be in position to capitalize on the legitimate traffic that would come. I had mentioned this fact in at least two emails to my account manager ahead of time. The traffic on these poker names was quite inconsistent, somedays a few clicks per name, and some days no clicks per name (many names got no clicks). These were only 300-400 of over 2000 names I had parked there though.

I really think I know what they are up to. In the beginning they have high expectations and good intentions, but the moment they decide they don't like your portfolio then they will do what they can to get rid of you. The problem is that you can spend hundreds of hours getting everything set up and they can pull the rug out from under you at any time (yes, I know that is their right, but it is also my right to tell my story and warn others).

Looking back, I remember a few odd emails early on telling me to not enter names that I didn't own or my account would be suspended. This was funny because my account rep had entered the names and a few of them were entered incorrectly: an example would be pokertelevision.com being entered as television.com (example...I don't own these specific names).

I think this was their way of setting up an exit strategy if they didn't like my traffic. I could go on and on, and I could list a bunch of emails showing how arrogant they CAN be. I could also list many emails showing great customer service.

If you are going to work with Fabulous, make sure you are on solid grounds before putting in the exhausting hours of setting up an account with a bunch of names. Those hours can be wiped out with one email. It's not really about the money with me, but I was really hot when I realized that at least a few hundred hours of my life was reduced to nothing.

I wouldn't have had a problem if they would have just stated that my names weren't what they were looking for. They missed out though, because I have about 3,000 names now and most of them are parked at Gold Key. I make more selling the names with Gold Key's easy "Domain for Sale" link then I could ever make with Fabulous' PPC. It worked out for me, and I'm never looking back.

At some point these domains can overwhelm you. I feel best when most of my names are parked and categorized.....the switching back and forth chasing the highest dollar can be an endless goose-chase. There is value in having your names at a reasonable place and spending your time on the creative aspects of acquiring and selling exciting names. Hopping back and forth to different PPC places is like trading stocks every day.
 

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This is wild. I started this post about a month ago whie I was still steaming from my Fabulous experience. I wanted to check my previous threads to see if I had any bids that I missed and this thread jumped out with over 50 responses.

In hindsight, I have a few things to offer. I was only with Fabulous for a little over a month and I remember praising them to many people during that time. The game-plan all along for my poker player names was to get them in the system so that when the World Series of Poker Main Event aired on ESPN I would be in position to capitalize on the legitimate traffic that would come. I had mentioned this fact in at least two emails to my account manager ahead of time. The traffic on these poker names was quite inconsistent, somedays a few clicks per name, and some days no clicks per name (many names got no clicks). These were only 300-400 of over 2000 names I had parked there though.

I really think I know what they are up to. In the beginning they have high expectations and good intentions, but the moment they decide they don't like your portfolio then they will do what they can to get rid of you. The problem is that you can spend hundreds of hours getting everything set up and they can pull the rug out from under you at any time (yes, I know that is their right, but it is also my right to tell my story and warn others).

Looking back, I remember a few odd emails early on telling me to not enter names that I didn't own or my account would be suspended. This was funny because my account rep had entered the names and a few of them were entered incorrectly: an example would be pokertelevision.com being entered as television.com (example...I don't own these specific names).

I think this was their way of setting up an exit strategy if they didn't like my traffic. I could go on and on, and I could list a bunch of emails showing how arrogant they CAN be. I could also list many emails showing great customer service.

If you are going to work with Fabulous, make sure you are on solid grounds before putting in the exhausting hours of setting up an account with a bunch of names. Those hours can be wiped out with one email. It's not really about the money with me, but I was really hot when I realized that at least a few hundred hours of my life was reduced to nothing.

I wouldn't have had a problem if they would have just stated that my names weren't what they were looking for. They missed out though, because I have about 3,000 names now and most of them are parked at Gold Key. I make more selling the names with Gold Key's easy "Domain for Sale" link then I could ever make with Fabulous' PPC. It worked out for me, and I'm never looking back.

At some point these domains can overwhelm you. I feel best when most of my names are parked and categorized.....the switching back and forth chasing the highest dollar can be an endless goose-chase. There is value in having your names at a reasonable place and spending your time on the creative aspects of acquiring and selling exciting names. Hopping back and forth to different PPC places is like trading stocks every day.


Without commenting on the merits of your above argument, let's imagine a different scenario.

Let's up the ante.

Instead of your traffic, let's talk about your domains themselves.

Imagine owning a large valuable portfolio of domain names, and imagine some sort of dispute with Fabulous. Remember, their business is in AUSTRALIA.

Can you imagine an overseas court battle with them?

Do you think ICANN is going to rush to your defense?

I refuse to use any foreign registrars.
 

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I think its safe to say that the industry is changing. And I agree that moving domains from Program to Program has been something everyone has being having to do as of late. It is somewhat unproductive.

While I am sure some people deserve to get there accounts closed, I can not ever condone the flagrant disregard for common courtesy and customer service. I have over the past 6 months been witness to communications from said programs, some of the abusive rhetoric they have sent has shocked the hell out of me. On two occasions I have seen two separate programs basically threaten and verbally assualt minors, which to me is totally unacceptable behaviour.

I don't for one second think its easy for the customer service teams at any parking program, however I do believe in the fact that companies should be seen to be professional. I have seen some awful underhanded actions just this past week, that would actually make me want to get out the whole domain industry. If it wasn't for the members. moderators and Admins on this and other boards I would of packed it all in.

Parking is not for everyone, and WhoDatDog I am glad it is working out for you. They say that for every company that loses one customer they lose another ten.

I have been asked to write a feature article for a European Magazine on the Secondary Domain industry, highlighting the good, the bad and the down right evil. Should make for some interesting reading...
 
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