Where did the .mobi haters go!?

[MobileDesigner]

FYI, having a site like hxxp://mobile.Domain.com is really great! but when it comes to accessing the site from away from the pc, we hesitate entering the address. I see a lot of these URLs on the train, radio, tv, etc. So Japan uses the .jp extension for mobile access. but with the expanding market, the .jp url are very, very long!
example:
1. hxxp://hp34.0zero.jp/635/yukikidou
2. hxxp://www.w-holdings.co.jp/mobile/sapa/
When users see this, they feel hesitant to enter-in the url to their phone. There are some short .coms, like 2 of my .coms are 4-letters, but they make no sense to me. Somepeople have hxxp://www.TokyoDigest.com, but who the heck would remember or even type it in!?

Why are we going down this rathole again? Just because you have a couple of sites linked to NTT DoCoMo seriously who gives a sh*t? You know business when you don't even know what HSDPA is? Did I ever say I'm some lonely engineer? Do these get a chance to ever present to Cingular's board of directors? I really don't get it...

Not Cingular cause they dont have many users. But been to Vodafone, AU Kddi and NTT Docomo, yes. i know what a HSDPA is, but have no purpose for regular consumers here. Oh, there are more users for mobile phones in japan than Cingular.

And you're telling me the EXTORTION and PREACHING That goes on amongst the .mobi GANG is better? Why? because it's missing a couple of Zeros in their asking prices? Get a grip on yourself...

hu!?

 

[maroulis]

Not Cingular cause they dont have many users. But been to Vodafone, AU Kddi and NTT Docomo, yes. i know what a HSDPA is, but have no purpose for regular consumers here. Oh, there are more users for mobile phones in japan than Cingular.

I hate to disagree with you because out of the bunch you seem like a quite nice guy... Now,

a) The number of addressable market by numbers bears absolutely nothing to our argument here. It's like telling me AWS (former Cingular) and VF Global are a joke because BNSF in India is going to have more subscribers...

b) You mentioned that .mobi gives companies the abilities to enter the market (and you made a comparison about .COM asking price), I responded that the same thing is happening with .mobi prices the only difference is a few zeros XYZ.com $20K vs XYZ.mobi for $2K?

c) So since you're familiar with AU KDDI, can you please tell me why the hell would I type .mobi when I'm sitting on a HSxPA or WiMAX connection on any device (IPTV, PDA, Mobile, ....)? What's the benefit to the end-user?

All of the .mobi gang you are simply blind, and can't see one way or another that your extreme stance on this very topic is only causing people to ignore you and the .mobi extension altogether..

 

[Duckinla]

.mobi is a chance for mobile companies to get in the mobile industry/market. There are many companies here that are happy with .jp or .com, but with the expanding market of mobile phone services, how the F$$# can they get a .com!? buy it from vampire.com owners who are hoping to sell http://www.thisismycomsoyouhavetopay...etit.co m!?!?! so F###ing what you got a .com and its king. whooptidoodoo.

So that's the real value of dotmobi? To get a price break on .coms?

 

[Asperger]

All of the .mobi gang you are simply blind, and can't see one way or another that your extreme stance on this very topic is only causing people to ignore you and the .mobi extension altogether..

From what i've seen its you that resorts to getting personal, instead of concentrating on the questions in hand.:uhoh:

The .Mobi developers will be the BIG winners here. So lets get developing and prove these doubters wrong :smilewinkgrin:

Three cheers for .Mobi!!! :cheers:


:yes:

 

[Duckinla]

The .Mobi developers will be the BIG winners here. So lets get developing and prove these doubters wrong

Three cheers for .Mobi!!!

Just don't spend all your allowance. You won't have anything left for the new set of Harry Potter cards.

 

[Asperger]

:director:

Just don't spend all your allowance. You won't have anything left for the new set of Harry Potter cards.

:crazy:


:yield: .com :croc: - :-O

:hail: .Mobi





:fish2:

 

[DaveZilla]

Just have to say the parody of some of the .mobi discussion by Duckinla and Maroulis was hilarous and spot on. Good show.

Im with Asperger here and as a developer, .mobi was a great chance for me to get prime names to develop on and a head start on the mobile content market which everyone can agree is coming.

There is NO restriction to only having mobile content on .mobi.

As Duckinla mentioned you can have a link that says "click here for the mobile version of this site". But likewise with just a few lines of code, I can use WURFL and have a full sized PC version my .mobi site for people on their desktops.

I'm not limited to developing only for mobiles on my .mobi site - I can develop for PC too. The only thing that matters is the trillion dollar question - will people on their mobil phones go to .mobi or .com first?

 

[Duckinla]

I'm not limited to developing only for mobiles on my .mobi site - I can develop for PC too. The only thing that matters is the trillion dollar question - will people on their mobil phones go to .mobi or .com first?

Don't forget the third component. The success of dotMobi will require the intersection of three parties; Developers, Customers and Advertisers.

Will current advertisers want their non-optimized links placed on mobile optimized websites? Seems a bit self defeating. So in additon to customers you will have to drag advertisers along as well. This could be a slow process, they may require that you have the customers first.

My concern for mobi speculators is not that they are completely wrong, but that the whole mobile revolution is a long way from having the mass they need. First you need the sites, then you need the customers, then you need the advertisers, then you need actual substantial commerce to happen. Each of these steps is possibly a 2 year process if we look at the internet as example. In the meantime, all it will take is one bad auction result and dotMobi values will plummet for years.

 

[maroulis]

In the meantime, all it will take is one bad auction result and dotMobi values will plummet for years.

Duck - you mean something like these Internext Silent Moniker auction results?

adultmovie.mobi $1,181.00
freexxxporn.mobi $200.00
Maids.mobi $360.00
nudism.mobi $2,361.00
Strippers.mobi $590.00
VideoClip.mobi $480.00

Cause last time I heard you can pay $8 (LOL) and flip for $5K on .mobis... wondering what happened to the names above and how much would have been appraise by the gang (undeveloped & developed LOL)

 

[DaveZilla]

My concern for mobi speculators is not that they are completely wrong, but that the whole mobile revolution is a long way from having the mass they need. First you need the sites, then you need the customers, then you need the advertisers, then you need actual substantial commerce to happen. Each of these steps is possibly a 2 year process if we look at the internet as example. In the meantime, all it will take is one bad auction result and dotMobi values will plummet for years.

Generic, short, easily rememberd domains will always be valueable in any extention IMHO. Smart investors always have some kind of a hedge on their bets.

oh-what-a-cheeseburger.extension is never going to be valueable in any extension (unless you can find a real sucker to sell it to).

 

[Duckinla]

You are right DaveZilla, nothing wrong with regging those in any extension. When you start paying $X,XXX, then you take some risk.

Duck - you mean something like these Internext Silent Moniker auction results?

The Mobi fans can probably dismiss that as not being a representative auction. But if that happens just one time at TRAFFIC...they had better be prepared for the speculators to go into hiding for 3-4 years minimum. How many times have we seen it with new extensions? When I came on this board 1 year ago, .EU was all the conversation.

 

[Biggie]

I do have one question for those who chose not to invest in .mobi, disbelievers etc.

Why do .mobi's continue to change hands for such high prices? Why?

same reason "enron" stock kept being traded and invested in....because of the hype!


Now I'm Not a mobi hater, just wish some of you guys would exercise some "self-control", when you see a .mobi name that sold above reg fee.

Some of you guys start slobbering and salivating all over the forum with the news and postings like you never seen a domain sell for a profit.

Starting threads and posting links to any .mobi url that has a little picture and 5 links! It's really getting ridiculous!

On the other hand, I'm really happy for those who got in and did quick flips for nice payoffs, as it's makes domaining much more interesting.

However, peep this....

The cost of cell phone usage/minutes/packages goes up each year, not down.

Therefore, IF and a BIG IF, .mobi is used on mobile devices....how much time do you think people will be spending trying to surf the web on a phone?
When every minute is costing them?

Also, if you can make .com/.net/.org/.info sites compatible for mobile viewing, then why would .mobi stand a chance against ALREADY established extensions.

Finally. let's keep these threads civil, without attacking the posters personally....just attack the ideas or opinions!

Now go for it

 

[Duckinla]

The cost of cell phone usage/minutes/packages goes up each year, not down.

Therefore, IF and a BIG IF, .mobi is used on mobile devices....how much time do you think people will be spending trying to surf the web on a phone?

We might assume that they would offer packages, including unlimited internet access for a set fee. But how much fun is it going to be to surf these little pages that have almost nothing on them?

 

[mjnels]

Also, if you can make .com/.net/.org/.info sites compatible for mobile viewing, then why would .mobi stand a chance against ALREADY established extensions.

not trying to take anything out of context but the answer to this one is obviously time.

true if i already have a .info/.net/.org/.com site i might make it mobile compliant and totally ignore mobi... fair enough.

but i dont think i'd choose .net/.org/.info over .mobi if i were building a site from the ground up with the intent of targeting mobile users... .COM maybe, but the other extentions over .mobi for a "mobile targeted site"? thats a longshot in my opinion..

 

[Poker]

congratulations you .com people. wow. .coms are king. ok. good.
if you have a headache.mobi, then you should get an aspirin.mobi. medicine on-the-go.

You make it sound like a cult MD with you as it's self appointed leader. You sure seem overly defensive of .mobi

 

[maroulis]

We might assume that they would offer packages, including unlimited internet access for a set fee. But how much fun is it going to be to surf these little pages that have almost nothing on them?

I'm not probably your typical Cellular customer but here's what I have..

- Blackberry 8700 with Blackberry Enterprise Unlimited + International Roaming with BIS connected to Corporate Email (data plan $65.95)
- HSDPA MAX Data Card on Unlimited Data Plan (data plan $59)

My Cingular bill (with corporate discount) per month is somewhere in the $700+ range, yet I never have nor will I ever click/follow a .mobi link

 

[MobileDesigner]

You make it sound like a cult MD with you as it's self appointed leader. You sure seem overly defensive of .mobi

What the........ no. i did not appoint myself as a "leader". Just my opinion on my side of the planet. Seems as if a lot of you are still back in the stone ages and crapping over trends and prospective growth in .mobi. For some, it is hype and for others a flip or two. Just getting tired of unproductive debates with no info nor links and a lot of bs and crapping on .mobi. What a way to screw up Christmas. Some are newbies and some are experienced. ive owned .coms for only 5 years and a few .jp's. I never joined this forum until i came across a crazy sentence in the search engine which i thought that i should correct. Then started to meet others with .mobi. we had no idea about .mobi, but we ended up with some good names. We did appraisals by peers and a lot of people said "regfee". With the names i have in my signature.......are those regfee!? Common sense tells me if you say "regfee", I want what you are smoking or some of the experienced .com owners are jealous that .mobi newbies got some good names. So some of us are not experienced as others...... "whoopdy doo doo". We still got some good names. Some are selling, some are buying, and some are developing (like me). I feel that im already hated cause i bought some .mobi. segregation!? Predjudice!? lol!
Just more productive debates would help out. If this continues, i think that i would quit this forum. Tired of people attacking. This is a professional forum, right!? or should i chat with Britney Spears forum and get the same discussion!? :undecided:
Im 34, Professional, bilingual (Japanese and English), married with a child, 5 years in the mobile industry and have been working as a mobile developer and content manager for 4 years.
I WANT PROFESSIONAL DEBATES. わかったおまえ！？

same reason "enron" stock kept being traded and invested in....because of the hype!

............................

However, peep this....

The cost of cell phone usage/minutes/packages goes up each year, not down.

Therefore, IF and a BIG IF, .mobi is used on mobile devices....how much time do you think people will be spending trying to surf the web on a phone?
When every minute is costing them?

Also, if you can make .com/.net/.org/.info sites compatible for mobile viewing, then why would .mobi stand a chance against ALREADY established extensions.

Finally. let's keep these threads civil, without attacking the posters personally....just attack the ideas or opinions!

Now go for it

i guess only in asia, we have "Packet Houdai" (all-you-can-use-mobile-internet). We surf. Oh my we surf, blog, you name it, we do it. More than what you can do on the iPhone! :smilewinkgrin:

 

[maroulis]

Im 34, Professional, bilingual (Japanese and English), married with a child, 5 years in the mobile industry and have been working as a mobile developer and content manager for 4 years.

I'm 29, Professional , 7 years in Telco Wireless Strategy (IMS, IPTV, Apps & Services) business including Corporate Foresight, M&A, at Senior Management level. I've worked with AWS, Cingular, BTCellnet, Orange, Vodafone Group, you name it over 120 carriers, I speak 4 languages, have a g/f and 2 puppies.. yet I was called by Vision ignorant, by mjnels drunk and by other .mobi proteges lots of other things

but seriously now - looking at your signature, apart from the obvious LLL/NNN.mobi which enjoy a high reseller value due to pump of the extension in the forum(s), do you think TEXANS.MOBI is worth what? I bet you you can pick up the .info for less than that...

And buying the "i'm into development" what are you going to develop? I'm really curious cause I live in TX (although not Texan obviously)? Just tell me what is that you'll develop that will make me, "the ignorant mobile user" to go there?

Do you know that 99% of the people on any network they just visit the portal of the carrier? I think you're confusing DoCoMo with .mobi.. .DoCoMo had a portal with millions of subs, and they had publishing/content/ecommerce engine to interface to *any* site and make money... Situation with .mobi is not even comparable..

 

[Duckinla]

I feel that im already hated cause i bought some .mobi. segregation!? Predjudice!? lol!
Just more productive debates would help out. If this continues, i think that i would quit this forum. Tired of people attacking.

Lighten up Bro. You started this thread looking for us! Trade some punches, enjoy it. You're taking it way to personal now.

 

[Asperger]

I'm 29, Professional , 7 years in Telco Wireless Strategy (IMS, IPTV, Apps & Services) business including Corporate Foresight, M&A, at Senior Management level. I've worked with AWS, Cingular, BTCellnet, Orange, Vodafone Group, you name it over 120 carriers, I speak 4 languages, have a g/f and 2 puppies.. yet I was called by Vision ignorant, by mjnels drunk and by other .mobi proteges lots of other things

but seriously now - looking at your signature, apart from the obvious LLL/NNN.mobi which enjoy a high reseller value due to pump of the extension in the forum(s), do you think TEXANS.MOBI is worth what? I bet you you can pick up the .info for less than that...

And buying the "i'm into development" what are you going to develop? I'm really curious cause I live in TX (although not Texan obviously)? Just tell me what is that you'll develop that will make me, "the ignorant mobile user" to go there?

Do you know that 99% of the people on any network they just visit the portal of the carrier? I think you're confusing DoCoMo with .mobi.. .DoCoMo had a portal with millions of subs, and they had publishing/content/ecommerce engine to interface to *any* site and make money... Situation with .mobi is not even comparable..

You're obviously not a gamer.Games & Gaming are proving to be massive for mobile devices.
A lot of people did stick to portal content because the users (and the service providers) didn't trust wap.domain.com content to deliver a pleasant experience for its users, their was allways the worry that any 'foreign' wap site may attempt to download 100KB to the users device, costing the user a fortune, .Mobi addresses all those issues.
Even though some strange names have been registered,some probably useless (including by myself) theirs no getting away from the fact that even those strange domains will still be part of a .Mobi community that is starting to establish its self.
I think mTLD are playing really clever here, they're waiting for the inevitable community to build its self before publicly advertising .Mobi to the masses.

Thank you.