Dot INFO - Fall from Grace

[Leading Names]

Well the first person to send $100 to my paypal account can have the only dot info I have as a speculative investment.

internetbingo.info

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon



What no takers?

It does 212 with the dot com extension and 36 together and 22546 with the space on Overture.

If this was a dot com and the price was $1000, I would have been killed in the rush!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

- It doesn't work well with the extension
- It's not an especially popular term
- It's a two-word combo

I'm not surprised you had no takers @ $100

- Rob

 

[seeker]

Dave, I can list for fun a few (just a few .infos) that I have that would sell *instantely* at a few $K
what is your point with that name?
.INFORMATION
you got to go with the extension man.

 

[JuniperPark]

Dave --

1 year ago "internet bingo" had an OVT score of 3300 without extention, and 36 pages on Google. Not sure why things are inflated this month, but its NOT a popular term -- I've personally never heard it used at all.

The previous 2 posts are dead-on, except that I don't mind 2-word names, I've sold several of those over 1K.

 

[Rubber Duck]

- It doesn't work well with the extension
- It's not an especially popular term
- It's a two-word combo

I'm not surprised you had no takers @ $100

- Rob

So from that I deduce that to be worth a measly hunderd dollars a dot info must be single dictionary word, have synergy with the extension and have Overture in excess of 100K!

Well, that just about sums up where this extension is going.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

Dave --

1 year ago "internet bingo" had an OVT score of 3300 without extention, and 36 pages on Google. Not sure why things are inflated this month, but its NOT a popular term -- I've personally never heard it used at all.

The previous 2 posts are dead-on, except that I don't mind 2-word names, I've sold several of those over 1K.

Well it is now doing 470,000 pages on Google between speech marks, which means the two words appear together in that order. That is an increase of 1,300,000% in a year.

Must be a growth industry, perhaps I should hang on to it!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[seeker]

Dave.
I know for a fact after following your posts here that you are not a 'newbie', nor ignorant.
a lot of us seem to disagree with you, which is fine, your opinion is just as valuable as anyone else's.
the examples you are giving are not targetting the end users or the sellers as far as .info
I have sold .info domains for what I consider nice solid ammounts (when I sell a name for under $1K, I think it was a non contructive sale for me). SO when I say solid amount, I stand by my word.
.info has its place, it has end users, and will only continue to grow.

 

[Leading Names]

So from that I deduce that to be worth a measly hunderd dollars a dot info must be single dictionary word, have synergy with the extension and have Overture in excess of 100K!

Dave Wrixon

No, such a name would probably be worth $2000+ to a reseller – more to an end user.

- Rob

 

[Rubber Duck]

Dave.
I know for a fact after following your posts here that you are not a 'newbie', nor ignorant.
a lot of us seem to disagree with you, which is fine, your opinion is just as valuable as anyone else's.
the examples you are giving are not targetting the end users or the sellers as far as .info
I have sold .info domains for what I consider nice solid ammounts (when I sell a name for under $1K, I think it was a non contructive sale for me). SO when I say solid amount, I stand by my word.
.info has its place, it has end users, and will only continue to grow.

I understand what you are saying and appreciate that some of you guys have put a lot more in to the actual selling side of thing than I have, which is where I need to learn a lot more and make a bit more effort.

Actually, when dot info came out, I thought it was a brilliant idea and I actually agree that it has potential. My main gripe, if you like is that the potential alternative to dot com all appear to have been totally mismanaged and I think dot info is a prime example. I invested in quite a few dot biz when it was launched, but failed to appreciate that over onerous conditions attached to dot biz would put most speculators off, and contrary to popular opinion, speculation seems to be essential to get a registry off the ground.

Dot info certainly lost a lot of momentum through this ludicrous giveaway, and would appear that a resurgent dot net has now stolen a lot of its thunder. Dot org promises to do well as they are offering cheap domains in third world locations, which in my view is a much more solid strategy than the one pursued by Affilias.

I don't doubt that dot info will make a come back, but a big opportunity will have been lost simply because the diversity of solutions is increasing all the time. It will be much harder for them to become the main alternative to dot com, which would have undoubted happened if things had been done differently.

Anyway, I hope that you enjoy these exchange as much as I do. I know I tend to play Devils Advocate on occassions but no offence is intended.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[DryHeat]

Besides sales data in the aftermarket another gauge that domainers have used to track .info's progress is the number of pages listed in Google. In this regard, there is a thread in another forum started on 4/18/03 and titled: Over 2,800,000 .INFO pages in Google" (by checking under "site:.info"). Subsequently, various domainers tracked this number over ensuing months as follows:

2/1/04: 5,240,000

12/23/04: 15,400,000

2/26/05: 17,400,000

And, I just checked again today: (9/16/05) 30,900,000

I believe numbers like these say something as to how .info is doing!

 

[Rubber Duck]

Besides sales data in the aftermarket another gauge that domainers have used to track .info's progress is the number of pages listed in Google. In this regard, there is a thread in another forum started on 4/18/03 and titled: Over 2,800,000 .INFO pages in Google" (by checking under "site:.info"). Subsequently, various domainers tracked this number over ensuing months as follows:

2/1/04: 5,240,000

12/23/04: 15,400,000

2/26/05: 17,400,000

And, I just checked again today: (9/16/05) 30,900,000

I believe numbers like these say something as to how .info is doing!

Well, I have Chinese and Japanese IDN whose keywords throw up more pages on Google than that!

There are 8 Billion pages indexed at Google, who probably haven't got the lot anyway. Are you seriously trying to tell me that 30M is a milestone for dot Info?

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[DryHeat]

Well, I have Chinese and Japanese IDN whose keywords throw up more pages on Google than that!

One has to compare apples with apples....yes an IDN of a word like "News" or "Shop" might barf more numbers than these....but what relevance does that have in terms of numbers of pages listed under a specific tld. However, if you wana compare apples with apples, following are the numbers using the same search string (site:.biz, site:.ws, etc):

.CN 32,100,000

.BIZ 9,340,000
.IN 9,090,000
.TV 6,060,000
.CC 4,260,000
.WS 3,010,000

So, pages under .info are pretty close to that of .CN (includes com.cn and all other sub-domains of .CN) and almost as many as .BIZ, .IN, .TV, .CC, and .WS ALL COMBINED.....

And, no how can I be trying to tell you anything when you seem to be beyond the point of listening on this subject, however, the fact remains that these numbers (for .info) are very decent in comparison to all other newer tlds...!!

 

[Rubber Duck]

One has to compare apples with apples....yes an IDN of a word like "News" or "Shop" might barf more numbers than these....but what relevance does that have in terms of numbers of pages listed under a specific tld. However, if you wana compare apples with apples, following are the numbers using the same search string (site:.biz, site:.ws, etc):

.CN 32,100,000

.BIZ 9,340,000
.IN 9,090,000
.TV 6,060,000
.CC 4,260,000
.WS 3,010,000

So, pages under .info are pretty close to that of .CN (includes com.cn and all other sub-domains of .CN) and almost as many as .BIZ, .IN, .TV, .CC, and .WS ALL COMBINED.....

Well Yahoo estimates the number of dot Info pages with word home at 88M so the true figure is probably around 100m but the figure for dot com is in excess of 4 Billion and dot net manage 385 Million, so dot Info is not exactly carrying a huge amount of INFORMATION at this moment in time.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[DryHeat]

.....but the figure for dot com is in excess of 4 Billion and dot net manage 385 Million, so dot Info is not exactly carrying a huge amount of INFORMATION at this moment in time.

Well, there can't be an argument since you seem pretty determined in pitting .info against much older and established tlds rather than comparing it with its brethern released in last 4-5 years; IMO, its again comparing apples with oranges!

 

[Rubber Duck]

Well, there can't be an argument since you seem pretty determined in pitting .info against much older and established tlds rather than comparing it with its brethern released in last 4-5 years; IMO, its again comparing apples with oranges!

Ok! So we could make some comparison with CN then. Dot Info has 5x as many registrations but certainly has fewer web pages. Therefore it goes to show that much of the existing dot info registry is just empty space, nothing but speculation filled with nothing!

Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[Poker]

Blah blah blah.... Only time will tell

 

[Rubber Duck]

Only time will tell

Well of course you are right, but it is hard to get excited about an extension which is providing only about 1% of the total web content. Believe me this is all news to me and I am bloody shocked!!!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[DryHeat]

... but it is hard to get excited about an extension which is providing only about 1% of the total web content......

...its always easier to get excited about something you have a personal stake in...so how about IDNs....if my memory serves me right you are pretty bullish on these although they have a lot more to prove yet than .info.....!!

 

[Wot]

Lets continue to predict

I predict people will continue to predict

 

[Rubber Duck]

...its always easier to get excited about something you have a personal stake in...so how about IDNs....if my memory serves me right you are pretty bullish on these although they have a lot more to prove yet than .info.....!!

Well, certainly IDN still have a few hurdles to jump but there had been a steady stream of developments over the summer which suggest that the real explosion is just around the corner. Speculation in Japanese IDN seems to be reaching fever pitch.

In terms of numbers of IDN domains registered it is difficult to tell, but I would be surprised if the actual number is less than 2Million. We know that there are
272,000 dot de registered and 113798 dot jp. We also know that the number of dot coms IDN registered also far exceeds the ccTLD registrations. IDN registrations are doing very well in Korea, Russia and China as well.

I was surprised the other day when challenged on another thread, how much they are actually used in France!

When dot Info Fans are boasting 30M web pages I have nearly 100 IDN domain whose local character strings can generate those kind of figures on Google.

Yes, I have made a number of IDN sells in the x,xxx range, and not to end users I might add.

For the latest development on IDN. Follow this thread!

http://www.idnforums.com/index.php/topic,42.0.html

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

 

[DryHeat]

Well, certainly IDN still have a few hurdles to jump but there had been a steady stream of developments over the summer which suggest that the real explosion is just around the corner. Speculation in Japanese IDN seems to be reaching fever pitch.

In terms of numbers of IDN domains registered it is difficult to tell, but I would be surprised if the actual number is less than 2Million. We know that there are
272,000 dot de registered and 113798 dot jp. We also know that the number of dot coms IDN registered also far exceeds the ccTLD registrations. IDN registrations are doing very well in Korea, Russia and China as well.

I was surprised the other day when challenged on another thread, how much they are actually used in France!

When dot Info Fans are boasting 30M web pages I have nearly 100 IDN domain whose local character strings can generate those kind of figures on Google.

Yes, I have made a number of IDN sells in the x,xxx range, and not to end users I might add.

For the latest development on IDN. Follow this thread!

http://www.idnforums.com/index.php/topic,42.0.html

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

Your response above is an obvious indication of your palpable excitement and optimism about a phenomenon that has yet to happen by your own admission

certainly IDN still have a few hurdles to jump

...the irony I see is that while you're so passionately optimistic about the future of a tld-related phenomenon which to most domainers/businesses/public alike is nothing more than snake oil, at least for now, somehow also happens to be so passionately negative and pessimistic about a tld that (among all the new tlds) has the highest reg numbers, most live pages, and highest number of reported sales (just in last 24 hours there've been several 4 figure .info sales posted on various forums).....So, one has to wonder why this dicotomy?

 

[Rubber Duck]

Your response above is an obvious indication of your palpable excitement and optimism about a phenomenon that has yet to happen by your own admission ...the irony I see is that while you're so passionately optimistic about the future of a tld-related phenomenon which to most domainers/businesses/public alike is nothing more than snake oil, at least for now, somehow also happens to be so passionately negative and pessimistic about a tld that (among all the new tlds) has the highest reg numbers, most live pages, and highest number of reported sales (just in last 24 hours there've been several 4 figure .info sales posted on various forums).....So, one has to wonder why this dicotomy?

Well, it reals boils down to fundamental needs of the target markets and the support from major corporations and governments.

90% of the world will require IDN to get the optimal online experience as their first language is not English. English is only the 4th largest language group measured on a first language basis.

Microsoft, Versign, Sedo and Google are all working hard not only to help make IDN a reality, but also to grab their share of the new markets that this will open up.

The Chinese government amongst others are lobbying hard to get IDN implemented and adopted, as well as investing money in educating people in the use of IDN.

By constrast, there is very little that dot Info can offer, which cannot be obtained elsewhere and apart from Affilias and a few speculators, who really care whether dot info succeeds or fails?

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon